...you do realize that the trope doesn't apply to only stage one, right? it means that the villain's plans will always reach their final step no matter what the heroes do.
"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae- Destroy the communications Tower
- Use the train to flood Vale with Grimm
- Kill everyone in Beacon and Vale
ONE OUT OF THREE goals completed is not a "success" in any sense.
Also the Silver eyes thing wasn't a Deus ex Machina, it was VERY much a Chekovs Gun. A slow-burning one, but still.
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that was kind of the point? i honestly don't understand why you think it was poorly executed. a tone shift requires a previous tone to shift from, and the darkness was there from the beginning. Listen to the introduction songs. None of them are happy.
There was a build up of the villains doing shady things in the background throughout volume 2, and in volume 3 they enact their plans. The toneshift was definitely built up to and it didn't come out of nowhere.
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This isn't true at all. It was the struggle of someone accepting what may or may not be their destiny. It was the struggle of someone dealing with their entire world being changed rather than living the comfortable life that she once had. Then, suddenly, her time to make a choice runs out.
Her story about the fall maiden wasn't about her destiny to become the fall maiden. The fall maiden was a catalyst for her destiny between a comfortable life and becoming the protector of the world.
When Cinder took the fall maiden's power, and she was the last line of defense, that is when her character arc finshed. She decided that she had to place the lives of others above her own wants and needs. This was always Pyrrha's character arc. When she kissed Jaune and shot him away, that was her accepting her destiny to become a savior and hope to the world.
Her death wasn't the important part. Her decision was. Her character development was already finished by time she had died. Why do you think she asks if Cinder believes in destiny?
Because Pyrrha was asked this question herself and found her answer. Even if it meant her death, even if it meant sacrificing everything she wanted, she knew her destiny.
edited 13th Apr '16 10:09:03 AM by EpicBleye
"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae"Sometimes, the hero dies in the end!" - Samael
Also:
through this we become a paragon of virtue and glory to rise above all.
Infinite in distance and unbound by death,
I release your soul, and by my shoulder, protect thee."
Actually, I think Cinder failed, so in that way Pyrrha succeeded. Remember Ozpin told her that the tower must not fall? Cinder didn't have time to do whatever she wanted to do (and the dragon couldn't destroy it) before Pyrrha and Ruby got there.
Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.As for villain motivations:
Mercury: Violent sociopath, likely raised and conditioned as one.
Cinder: Megalomaniacal sociopath, how or why she came to be that way is currently unknown.
Emerald: Desperate, seems to me to be implied to be eventually conditioned to be emotionally reliant on Cinder.
Roman: Also a sociopath, just a very honest one.
Neo: Sociopath. If she talked, I'd bet she'd be just like Roman.
Some people don't need a Freudian Excuse. Hell, a lot of people don't.
Some people just want to watch the world burn.
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!Adam: Originally Well-Intentioned Extremist. Now just a Knight Templar
"her victory came about because she used the Grimm Dragon as a distraction to break out of a chokehold and used a trick arrow to take Phyrra down. "
Actually Cinder didn have much problem, is a way to compared power, they beat Amber because they take her out before relasing the full extend of her power, Phyrra coundt win because of it
"Why the heroes can't stop their plans doesn't matter, it would bother me regardless of the why"
It should matter, because them the issue will be "the hero have to stop their plan not matter how" which annoy me a lot, in this case Cinder hide her identity and manage to rig the place, it was a pretty good plan and it step for step so it didnt feel like a asspull
"you seem to have disliked season two, whereas I have few complaints about it, so we're probably coming from very different places on that subject."
we does in fact, season 2 was bad because the white fang and roman where put as saturday villians who fall over and over and over, focus in a typical anime romance between Jaune and Phyrra and awfull final
"Listen to the introduction songs. None of them are happy."
Now I have to agree with native jovian here, while there was hint of a darker tone, the show focus more in the four quirky waifus who kick ass, this is something Droy said better: the setting was bleak as shit but focus was in happy parts, the breach should be the proper place to make the transition but instead it make clear the show as light and fluffy one...until that was CRUSH as hell in Volume 3, in a way I cant blame somenewguy for being upset.
"When Cinder took the fall maiden's power, and she was the last line of defense, that is when her character arc finshed"
Also that part resonate with achilles, her inspiration, he decided between a normal life and glory in death, he chose second
And as Roman said "you want to be a hero, then play your part and die as you supuse to"
About motivation: Adam: human where dick to me and my people so now where are going to be DOUBLE dicks to them, also blake when I said nobody can give you a hand, I really mean it
Cinder: something awfull happen to me and I see the "truth"
Emerald: Cinder make me do it
Mercury: well, die, she enter....why the hell not?
Roman: thinks are falling down, so I better enter the winning place and rob them blind
Neo: follow roman
Salem: you are truly piece of shit Ozpin, also human are so funny.
Banesaw: I really want to kill a schee
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"You are talking about Adam or Mercury? I see no difference
I think Adam is thinking that what he is doing is for the sake of his people. But he'll slowly become more and more insane, to the point that he will be have to be taken care of for Good.
Now, WHO could be the one to give him a proper duel? (Pls not Blake, Pls not Blake, Pls not Blake)
edited 13th Apr '16 11:21:47 AM by fasoman1996
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Now, we don't know what happened to Cinder, so maybe she got frozen alongside the dragon and that's going to give the heroes the time they need to bounce back and make some gains of their own. But that's entirely speculative at this point, and even if it's revealed to be the case in season four, that doesn't change the fact that season three ends with basically a total win for the bad guys and an Only the Author Can Save Them Now situation.
Oh, something else I haven't mentioned yet: it irritates me that all the drama with Pyrrha and Fall was wasted. She agonized over whether accepting the power for the good of the world (and at the risk of losing her self) was worth it, never actually made up her mind but agreed to it under extreme duress ("we're under attack we need that power now"), then the transfer failed and Cinder got the power anyway, and finally Pyrrha was killed, negating any character development that could have come from the whole ordeal. The entire thing was an enormous Shoot the Shaggy Dog story that led nowhere and accomplished nothing.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.