Someone pointed out that Cinder apparantly had dust sewn into her outfit and was using it against Ozpin, but not against Pyrrha.
Which means either she was holding back or she used it all up and was slightly weaker against her.
But yeah, the finale would have been less jarring if they had a cushion of at least one of the heroes getting to one up the villains in some way besides a random superpower burst that came in too late to really help (Why didn't Penny get the same reaction? Ruby was much closer to her, than Pyrrha who they barely had any interaction with the entire show). Yeah Roman died, but that was because of the Grimm randomly turning on him. Otherwise he kicked Ruby's ass and would have killed her.
Instead it's total victory and the look that nothing the heroes ever do can stop them and we might as well just declare Salem the winner now and not bother with the show anymore.
The only loss the villains got wasn't that big. Roman was eaten and Cinder is probably with an angry expression on top of the tower, providing she got frozen.
The Silver Eyes aren't that big of an Ass Pull. It just a detail that was poorly introduced but we'll see how they handle it from now on. Here hoping it's doesn't become another Sharingan *Fingers crossed*
edited 12th Apr '16 3:08:53 PM by fasoman1996
Uni catThough to be fair regarding Roman, he was never intended to be a major character.
"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-MaePyrrha was the straw that broke the camel's back, Penny was the other 900 lbs of straws already on the camel before that. Ruby came and saw Penny already dead, with Pyrrha she arrived just in time to watch her be executed. Kinda does things to a person.
Which is because the ambush was planned beforehand, and even then it wasn't an easy win for them.
Except Emerald is neither and when her hand is shown she will lose that advantage. Despite the insistence otherwise, Emerald's Semblance isn't a game breaker. If she relies on it in a one-on-one fight the moment opponent catches on she is screwed. We see a glimpse of in the the fight against Amber.
Pretty sure that was my point. Who did Adam have there other than his lieutenant that was capable of fighting back? What would he gain if he did? If fighting back seemed like a viable option I have no doubt he would choose to do so, but at that point it was a no-win scenario regardless of the power Cinder possessed.
Cinder appeared to be going flat out against Ozpin and couldn't handle him. On the other hand, Ozpin appeared to be using very little of his own abilities. For example, pay close attention to his cane - we don't know what that lever on his handle is for, but he never, ever uses it - that cane was barely more than a staff weapon in that fight; whatever it's true purpose is, we did not see it revealed in that fight.
Yes, we saw him move at super-speed, throw off a couple of flashy sparks every now and then and throw up a big crackling barrier. That's all he did, and Cinder really struggled with just that. I'll give her props for sheer determination in that fight, but it's pretty much all she had going for her. That very last scene of the fight we see, she's firing directly at him, full blast, and he's ploughing through it so fast, she may as well not bother firing anything at all.
From what little we saw of Ozpin's battle, Cinder - at full Fall Maiden power - is no match. Something else happened. He was not defeated by Cinder; I think we've seen enough of that fight to be certain of that. He's either faked a consequence to make Cinder believe she won, or Salem staged some kind of personal intervention, which saved Cinder from defeat and captured Ozpin.
I'm pretty certain that the reason Salem turned around to face the camera at the end of the finale is because Ozpin was standing behind her. My thinking is that the narration during the pilot episode was a conversation occurring at the series 3 finale, and therefore the first three series' is just a How We Got Here section to bring us up to speed with where the story really is during the pilot narration.
The question is whether Ozpin is freely there or a prisoner. I am also suspicious that Qrow has an idea of what happened to Ozpin that he's not sharing with anyone else and he's carrying that cane because he either knows he and Ozpin are going to meet up again, or he knows that cane needs to be used at a specific moment in time when a specific event happens.
edited 12th Apr '16 3:25:50 PM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Assuming Fox is blind and sees through some sort of Semblence sense like people assuming Emerald probably wouldn't be able to trick that.
Alternatively either always bring a friend against Emerald or pay very close attention to detail. If Ruby fighting Emerald in Vol 4 and Yang suddenly shows up with two flesh arms, that's obviously an illusion.
Oh, something else I forgot. Where the hell did that dragon thing come from? That was pretty bullshit too.
The bomb going off suddenly without warning -You and the characters find out at the same time-
You knows there is a bomb that is going to go off infact you know exactly where the bomb is but the characters don't.
The point of giving the audience more information than the characters have is to use Dramatic Irony to generate tension. That tension is wasted if nothing is done with it. RWBY doesn't do anything with it. It would have been much more effective if the audience was caught up in the surprise of Cinder's plans just as much as the protagonists were.
So, good to see someone who can pull a argument about the tone shiff, so let star
" have no objection to going Darker and Edgier if that's your thing, but doing such a massive change in tone in such a short amount of time is seriously jarring. "
Its true but only because Breach(season 2 final) fail in make a proper transicion, there was hints here and there but it take this one to make it, I grand you is hell of tone shiff but it was the plan for the start, if you see the fandom in season 2 the complain was the oposite actually
"they know about the Maidens in the first place. You know, the secret that the Huntsmen's inner circle have been keeping for hundreds, if not thousands of years? "
Considering her boss is a human aboimination who is as older as Ozpin....yeah, not surprise here
"the villains had a plan, which they executed without the good guys being aware of it most of the time "
The issue here is that in this volume the hero and villian never interact until all shit goes down, usually there is a mystery or a chararter guessing what would happen but here that never present itset, Cinder sneak,nobody saw her and....that it.
"we already know what the villains are up to and already know that the villains have a huge head start on the heroes, "
No, we BARELY know that, there is a low out into the point is annoying because he can just especulate.
"What if Yang had blocked or dodged Mercury's "attack" instead of countering it?"
But it woudnt, Yang have worst temper of the four and is clear she would atack back, that was the plan
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Wrong target. Judging from what we've seen to date about Emerald, the key is to blind Emerald. Every time, she's in a position where she can watch the person she's targeting - and she's admitted she has to focus, too (it's almost too much for her to deal with two people at once).
Emerald's the weak link of her own power (which is as it should be) - distract her, or remove her ability to watch her target, and I think the attack will break.
edited 12th Apr '16 4:59:09 PM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.No, it didn't. The school was the only thing that fell. Everyone from the school was evacuated back to the city, which is currently doing okay. The school is currently unsalvageable because the Grimm Dragon is still attracting Grimm to it, despite being 'frozen'. That seems to be a plot device for now to ensure the CCT (the school's tower) isn't rebuilt too quickly. Glynda's a bit of a problem when it comes to making sure broken masonry stays broken. At least they showed her exhausted, which in my book is a good thing because it puts a limit on just how much she can do at any one time.
The fight itself suggests that he could take her in a one-on-one fight, because that's what he was doing.
He gave Pyrrha a job to do which got her out of the building and away from the danger she wasn't suited to confronting (telling her to get help gets her away from the area). Besides which, the others would be needed to secure the tower - Cinder wasn't the only threat there. Focussing attention on the tower takes the attention off Ozpin, deliberately so.
On top of that, as I said in previous posts, the issue is whether Ozpin was setting something up or whether Salem set something up and intervened because one of the two happened, if not both at the same time (which would require him to recall the three teachers because he would know what he's planning - or have figured out something - which he did seem to think about, because as soon as Cinder mentioned "she", Ozpin's entire demeanour changed, so he clearly realised something at that moment; I think he knew from the start there was no way to get the teachers back to the tower in time, it was a ploy to ensure Jaune and Pyrrha were away from the vault - Pyrrha seemed to realise that, but not until they got outside).
Something intervened at the point where Cinder's powers were hitting Ozpin's shield (the final scene, where he's very easily bulldozing through her fire at speed), which is why the scene turned white - it wasn't just a cross-fade, it was a cross-fade of a similar nature to the one that happened when Ruby's silver eyes power activated. That doesn't mean there was a silver eye power activating - but some kind of white power did.
At the very best, Cinder was just a distraction for Salem to grab Ozpin, but watching that fight several times has left me convinced that Cinder herself wasn't even close to being a match for him.
edited 12th Apr '16 5:22:25 PM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.I really got nothing much to say to these arguments. Just that we knew in advance and were expecting the change in tone, and watching it week-to-week was a very difference experience than what I imagine binging it blind must be. Well, gotta thank you for the change in pace at least, Jovian.
Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.This map of Vale from the series itself might be a helpful reference.
Beacon is off by itself with the river and cliff cutting it off from Vale proper
Also you can only reach it by Airship... or Boat. The rest of beacon is surrounded by forever fall forest.
The City did not fall... Beacon is untakable due to the spawnpoint and the constantly drawn numbers
edited 12th Apr '16 7:41:22 PM by FrozenWolf2
Praise be to the absolute Queenedited 12th Apr '16 7:41:27 PM by Cross

The only reason Cinder Struggled with Pyrrha was because she wasn't going all out. She was shown to be far more powerful during her fight with Ozpin then Pyrrha, for instance.
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