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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#30901: Mar 28th 2016 at 8:05:49 PM

[up] I'm not positive there won't be a major twist that ends up pushing one or both of them into Well-Intentioned Extremist territory. The series has been keeping pretty much everything about the nature of the setting's conflict and the villains extremely close to its chest, which makes me suspect a big twist.

edited 28th Mar '16 8:08:19 PM by CaptainCapsase

WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#30902: Mar 28th 2016 at 8:07:11 PM

I want a Neo plush.

Now that I think about it, her umbrella would make a good shop item. Minus the stabby bits.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#30903: Mar 28th 2016 at 8:09:09 PM

[up][up]Thing is, for many Cinder just broke the moral evident horizon by murder Phyrra, one of the nicers chararter around, so people wants her head in a pike.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#30904: Mar 28th 2016 at 8:14:35 PM

[up] It's a bit pointless to speculate about the Moral Event Horizon for a Hidden Agenda Villain when we know as little as we do about the setting. I consider myself reasonably good at "reading" the tells for this series, and I'm getting the impression that there's something BIG that we don't know. Probably several somethings. What Pyrrha was told about the Seasonal Maidens is almost certainly just the tip of the iceberg.

edited 28th Mar '16 8:20:36 PM by CaptainCapsase

AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#30905: Mar 28th 2016 at 8:24:58 PM

Unless Cinder can ressurect everyone that died because of her nevermind the people she killed directly, then it's highly unlikely her actions can be excused. She and Salem would have been preventing the destruction of the world or something for that. Making the world only better in their opinion won't cut it.

And considering she could have easily just crippled Pyrha and left her, instead of going out of her way to kill her because she pissed her off at daring to be someone someone else wanted to have the power she thinks was rightfully hers (Laughable because she stole it too) that's not exactly suggesting she's trying to do something good for everyone.

Lashing out and killing unreleated people because events in life sucked, is not morally ok, under any circumstance.

edited 28th Mar '16 8:26:22 PM by AJSthe2nd

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#30906: Mar 28th 2016 at 8:44:06 PM

[up] That's just it though; I'm not ruling out the possibility that there's some God of Evil that's going to wake up and destroy the world if the human population gets too high or something like that. As far as it not being acceptable to kill thousands of people for their vision of a better world...Well, that's what makes a Well-Intentioned Extremist an Anti-Villain rather than an Anti-Hero archetype.

edited 28th Mar '16 8:46:11 PM by CaptainCapsase

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#30907: Mar 28th 2016 at 8:49:03 PM

[up] An evil god? Controlling the Grimm? That would border Cosmic Horror Story right there.

Well if the FNDM wants moar Darkness then they can safely go in that direction. Because why not? We need Grimm with Tentacles and shit evil grin

Uni cat
AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#30908: Mar 28th 2016 at 8:56:06 PM

I find a Gurren Lagann esque "Humanity has to be killed enmasse to keep their numbers down or else some horror will completely wipe it out" unlikely simply because even with the current system people were still dying and humanity was stable but not really progressing beyond that. So Cinder and Salem's plan to kill even more people and destablize the entire world seems unncessery. Nor does Salem sound particularly helpful to humanity because on what little we know from the songs and her speech.

To be honest if they do that I'd be pretty pissed off as it sounds like poorly tossed in ass pull to keep things dark.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#30909: Mar 28th 2016 at 9:07:24 PM

[up] That's just the scenario I came up with off the top of my head. I'd personally expect something more along the lines of Xenoblade than Guren Lagann if they were going with that type of twist; for reference, in Xenoblade it turns out the robotic Evil Overlord who wants to destroy organic life is doing so in an attempt to starve the God of Evil that created life in the setting to sustain itself and periodically destroys them and recreates them out of the fear that if they're left to their own devices, they'll eventually rise up and overthrow him. Which, ironically, leads to his creations rising up and overthrowing him in the end.

edited 28th Mar '16 9:08:28 PM by CaptainCapsase

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#30910: Mar 28th 2016 at 9:29:54 PM

wild mass guessCinder suffers from Demona syndromewild mass guess

So how long before Ozpin kicks the bucket

edited 29th Mar '16 8:59:34 AM by DarthSion

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#30911: Mar 29th 2016 at 10:51:24 AM

I'm liking the idea of the grimm being Salem's semblence.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#30912: Mar 29th 2016 at 11:07:27 AM

@unknowing: Qrow was using both speed and strength in the fight against Winter. There's a reason why people started speculating after that fight over whether or not Qrow had received a Yang-like strength boost after being hit across the face.

Ozpin said he'd committed more mistakes than any man, woman or child alive, not one hideous one. The fans are interpreting it that way though - he could have made several hideous ones. It's pretty certain there's something big and nasty in his closet, though (and he knows it, judging by his comment to Ruby).

However, Ruby did know about the White Fang. That was why they wanted to go south.

@AJSthe2nd: Ozpin said the gun-scythe weapon was the most dangerous weapon, and that he'd only ever met one person who had the skill Ruby displayed with it. Qrow and Ruby are apparently the most adept users of the weapon - but for Ozpin to have said something like that means there are other gun-scythe users around, just not at Qrow and Ruby's level.

I'd be surprised if Cinder and Salem didn't have sympathetic backstories, I'm just of the opinion that at best it will push them into "I understand why they're this way but they still need to be stopped" territory.

That's along the lines of what I'm thinking about. The start of their paths could have been completely understandable - but at some point, a choice is made that the person making the choice has to take responsibility for. One can empathise with a character's position without necessarily agreeing with their method of dealing with it.

As I said, I'm expecting Ozpin to be The Atoner, so I expect both Salem and Cinder's issue with him to be entirely legitimate... but their choices in how to handle their issues are their own responsibility, not Ozpin's. I'm expecting the only major difference between Ozpin and Salem to be The Atoner aspect. She revels and he regrets, but it doesn't change their paths. I'm expecting Ruby to Take a Third Option when she finally understands what she's dealing with.

edited 29th Mar '16 11:14:09 AM by Wyldchyld

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#30913: Mar 29th 2016 at 11:35:20 AM

I think there issues started out legitimate but eventually grew disproportionate

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#30914: Mar 29th 2016 at 2:38:22 PM

"It's a bit pointless to speculate about the Moral Event Horizon for a Hidden Agenda Villain when we know as little as we do about the setting."

Maybe but Cinder kill a good chararter, and nicer one to boot, for many that is crossing the line, adding all the mayhaim she cause

" she could have easily just crippled Pyrha and left her"

Phyrra try to kil her and atack first, not to defend Cinder but is there is not reason to go pacifist on her.

"Qrow was using both speed and strength in the fight against Winter. There's a reason why people started speculating after that fight over whether or not Qrow had received a Yang-like strength boost after being hit across the face. "

Really? I dont see him with more streght, I mean it take a lot to use that FF sword but he seen more a speed kind of guy

"but for Ozpin to have said something like that means there are other gun-scythe users around, just not at Qrow and Ruby's level."

Or it could talk about Summer, dosent it?

" I'm expecting Ozpin to be The Atoner, so I expect both Salem and Cinder's issue with him to be entirely legitimate... but their choices in how to handle their issues are their own responsibility, not Ozpin's"

Again it depend of WHAT thing Ozpin did and how to atone, if they want to make sympathic, they could use the old "it wasnt my fault but my responsability" which I think is lame, if they want him more grey he could have create Salem or do something that let to her "birth"...problaby in the great war, and if they want him to be villianous them just reveal the whole system is a lie that Ozpin build as "last resort" become he trust to much in ancient ways(as Cinder implies in her song)

But anyway, time will tell.

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#30915: Mar 29th 2016 at 2:49:23 PM

Am I the only one who was disappointed that Qrow's semblance didn't have anything to do with alcohol

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#30916: Mar 29th 2016 at 2:51:51 PM

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wild mass guessOrow semblence depend of how drunk he is at the time, that is why you never seen him soberwild mass guess

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#30917: Mar 29th 2016 at 2:54:45 PM

wild mass guess Qrow can Breath fire depending of his alcohol level. If he goes all out, he can burn an entire Grimm army wild mass guess

Uni cat
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#30918: Mar 29th 2016 at 2:56:06 PM

wild mass guessIn the same way, Mercury power is based on his doucheness, he lost to yang because he play "Nice", when is remark a penny and Phyrra, is power increasewild mass guess

wild mass guessThe same can be said of Adam, just with edgynesswild mass guess

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fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#30919: Mar 29th 2016 at 2:57:22 PM

[up] Adam is so Edgy he gets stronger the more dark the show gets...

My god, RWBY and JNR are screwed [lol][lol][lol]

Uni cat
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#30920: Mar 29th 2016 at 3:00:35 PM

That is why he have a secret weapon against someone who beat him.....a song of Linking park or evanence, the edgy of that would so much that would crack the earthevil grin

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#30921: Mar 29th 2016 at 3:14:00 PM

But rwby has a secret weapon against that: Zwei

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fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#30922: Mar 29th 2016 at 3:18:29 PM

But Adam's sword has a curse, it makes you hear edgy songs everytime you go to sleep. No wonder why Yang is so depressed

Yang: Ok, this time i will surely go to sleep *Closes eyes, this plays*

Uni cat
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#30923: Mar 29th 2016 at 3:57:45 PM

Ah yes but then they strap him to a chair and force him to do a pacifist run of undertale over and over and over

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God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#30924: Mar 29th 2016 at 5:18:24 PM

I bet their plan is world domination.

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#30925: Mar 29th 2016 at 6:40:51 PM

What would we get if Ruby and Weiss did the fusion dance?

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?

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