Yeah, the thing is still a tearjerker, but the idea of him being suicidal is Alternative Character Interpretation.
The first part can stay, the second half can go into an entry on Alternative Character Interpretation for the YMMV page for RWBY
That's kind of ridiculous, especially since Neo's odds of survival were pretty good and Roman probably knew that. If anything he was having a breakdown at Ruby's unflinching optimism in what he sees at a terrible and cruel world, despite her facing certain doom at being outmatched and being inches away from falling to her death.
"but look at Glynda's classes. There was no isolation there"
Do we ever seen Glynda class anyway? because aside of teaching regular stuff and sparing match, we never see much of combat, since everyone seen to have a diferent style it seen everyone learn their own way to fight and roll with it.
And why it sound like a bad thing? to quote the lyrics "or we are weapon, pointed at the enemy so someone else can claim victory" that sound awfully like Ozpin, also it seen strange that he wants to kept thing away as posible from RWBY and yet he allows a mission beyond their ranks, so I why I think he wants to protect Ruby and the others, he is going to used her anyway, not for malice but because it was it have been, as the lyrics of sacrifice implies "your faith in ancient ways make your head a maze"
" his character type is the type that does care. Being caring and being a jerk are not mutually exclusive."
It kind of is actually, unless the latter is a front for the former, he see n to care about things as they are, without social expection, hell he even pick a fight with Winter! that sound dickish as hell, which it bring me to my question: have been ruby the one framed...would be harsh on her as he was with Yang?
And about Roman....yeah, it sound like villians breakdown to me, Ruby just climb the damn ship, even when everything is clearly lost and still mantain that hero act? Roman was just tired of Ruby shit so he smack her good.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
In that I disagree, Yang is that mature and he call her crazy, and while Phyrra is more by her modesty, he have not issue with it, with her he actually take his time to explain.
Is not that he dosent care about Yang but....he seen way gentler with Ruby.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"There's different circumstances and it's not just because Ruby's younger or he likes her more.
Qrow was under the impression Yang's mentality was off because of the encounter with Raven, causing her to either make a snap reaction or to be seeing things because she was resenting her. If Ruby maimed a guy and he suspected it was because her mental state wasn't all that great then he'd probably treat her the same. Which is a mentality (Yang wasn't malicious but she was stressed) that everyone sympathetic to her had except Ruby and Weiss.
Again he's not that nice to Ruby all the time either. When Ruby was telling him that she thought she and her team were making a massive difference based on their minor victories and that they could do anything he quickly shot that down, so he's just kind of a downer guy who isn't very optomistic and shoots those kind of thoughts down.
He's not a super happy openly pleasant to everyone guy, but the only ones he geniunely seems to dislike the Atlas people because he's not fond of their military attitude.
"And survive!" to be more accurate. "Lie, steal, cheat, and survive!"
He was describing what he would do in contrast to what he wanted Ruby to do for playing the hero; "die like every other huntsman in history!"
edited 28th Mar '16 1:41:10 PM by Parable
Okay, I split that Tear Jerker entry in half and put the second half onto the YMMV page.
Thanks for the input, guys.
Glynda is the combat instructor, those were her classes. What you just described is exactly how people can learn without being in isolation from each other.
Frankly, I don't find Qrow and Ruby's fighting styles to be particularly similar. They don't even use the same weapon. Yes, they both transform into scythes, but the scythes are slightly different, the pair use them in different ways, and the weapons transform into different types of partnering weapons. Qrow's overall fighting style against Winter had a lot of similarities to Yang's fight style, although was obviously not the same.
It's not strange; it's a different perspective. Where you say "that sounds awfully like Ozpin", I'd say "well, no, that sounds awfully like someone's perception of Ozpin". I don't think we've had a single song written from Ozpin's perspective yet. We've only had songs from the perspective of others reaching their own conclusions about Ozpin. I think it's going to be very interesting to read the lyrics, and hear the atmosphere of the song, when we do finally get a song that's supposed to be from Ozpin's perspective.
However, I don't know all the RWBY songs, so I could have missed a song that is from his perspective. If there is one, I'd like to listen to it.
On the subject of the mission beyond their ranks. I've always been very suspicious about that. It's possible that Ozpin deliberately restricted that mission so that no other first-years could take. He already knew that Ruby was connected to whatever was going on down there, so reserving the mission for them because he knew the team would sneak their way down there, makes sense.
Honestly, by bending the rules for the kids he made sure those kids had an adult, professional huntsman watching over them whereas if they had sneaked out there in secret, they'd have been on their own without any back-up.
Bear in mind that I do not believe that Team RWBY were the scouts that Ozpin mentioned to Ironwood. I think Team RWBY were a decoy and the real scout was Raven.
If being a jerk and being caring were mutually exclusive, the tropes Jerk with a Heart of Gold and Hidden Heart of Gold would not exist. Both tropes require a character to be genuinely both a jerk and caring (the difference is whether or not the "gold" is hidden).
If the jerkarsery is just a fake front to hide the "gold", that's the Jerkass Façade trope.
I think it's fairly obvious that Qrow and Winter have a history, and he's obviously a big fan of winding her up and trying to get under her skin. His behaviour was motivated by loyalty for Ozpin, but was completely jerkish in action. But, before we absolve Winter of all responsibility, Qrow may have gone picking a fight but she was very willing to let him press her buttons - she was as willing to go off on him as he was on her, so clearly they get under each other's skin. A lot. Winter clearly is in on the brotherhood to at least some extent, but Ironwood only seemed to kick her out to get cooperation from Qrow, who partially seemed to be kicking Winter out just to wind her up even further. I'm sure we'll find out more about Qrow and Winter's history eventually.
I don't think Qrow was harsh on Yang at all. I don't think Ironwood was harsh on Yang either. Given the circumstances, I think Qrow and the teachers have been extremely understanding with Yang.
However, to answer your question, if it had been Ruby, I would have expected Qrow to respond to Ruby in some relatively similar manner with any differences, if they did crop up, being solely as a result of the fact we're dealing with two different personalities.
edited 28th Mar '16 2:52:08 PM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Glynda's classes seem more about aura control and combat tactics than it is teaching them how to use their weapons. They're supposed to already know that coming in either from spending several years in a basic academy or showing to the staff they are competent warriors (or in Jaune's case lying, which is why he started out entirely helpless).
Seeing as we've only seen Qrow use his scythe mode for one attack thus far it's hard to say if he and Ruby's scythe wielding style is similar. He used his sword for the entirety of the fight with Winter.
edited 28th Mar '16 3:13:39 PM by AJSthe2nd
Yes, but my point is that people learning different fighting styles don't automatically need to be kept isolated. Yes, if you want to learn how to fight with a scythe, learn from someone who actually knows how to wield a scythe, but that doesn't mean you can't have a gauntlet-junkie training in the same room as you, or that part of your training cannot consist of fighting against the gauntlet-junkie.
Regarding Qrow's fighting style, I wasn't talking about the scythe-use specifically, I was talking about the way he was fighting Winter, which had certain similarities to Yang. Ruby tends to go for her scythe very fast in battle, to the point where she doesn't seem very competent without it. It doesn't look like Qrow's given her a particularly well-rounded combat education, just a focus on the specific weapon she wants to wield. That's fine, and I'm sure we'll see Ruby become a more well-rounded fighter as the story develops, but Qrow himself seems far more well-rounded than he's passed on to Ruby (which makes sense to me anyway).
edited 28th Mar '16 3:36:22 PM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Qrow and Ruby relie in speed than anything else, is just he use a Sword instead of a scythe, so that change a lot but I dont see similar to Yang who relie in crush the oponent.
About Ozpin....he himself admit to have comit hidious mistake(we dont know what it is) and traning something who have special hability without telling anyone is manipulative as hell.
Ruby have not idea the White fang was there. so it was pretty much at random.
Yeah Winter get fault for letting him get the best of her but he pretty much star the fight by destroy Atlas robot and them insult her homeland and he did it prettu much for the lulz, is clear Qrow dosent have the best dealing with People and so far Ruby is the only exception of it, for me that is not accident.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Maybe Qrow was betrayed. As for his favoritism toward Ruby: 1. He protects her for the same reason snape protected Harry 2. He's his daughter 3. She reminds him of Summer 4. She reminds him of a young version of himself.
edited 28th Mar '16 4:08:38 PM by DarthSion
Cut off one head 2 more shall take it's place! Hail HydraRuby shows competent swordsmanship in the brief time she's using Penny's sword, so maybe Qrow did teach her his entire weapon style but she opted not to give Crescent Rose a sword mode for whatever reason.
Although if scythe are such dangerous to use weapons that Qrow and Ruby are the only hunters in the known world to use them, how exactly did Qrow start to use his?
I don't think they're dangerous to use, it's more that they're hard to use effectively as a weapon. And just because Qrow and Ruby are the only two who use them currently doesn't mean that Qrow was the first to use it, he could have learned it from somebody else who has since died or retired. Alternatively he learned to use it the same way the first person who picked up a sword did; practice, improvising and refinement.
Random thought.
It would be awesome but also rather villainously tragic if Neo returns in future episodes to hunt down Ruby...to avenge Roman.
I like to interpret Roman's last scene as at least partially him losing his bearings upon seeing Neo (seemingly) sent off to her death.
Continuously reading, studying, and (hopefully) growing.Regarding the question of whether Cinder could even be even a remotely sympathetic (in the Anti-Villain sense) character, I'm gonna have to say "maybe" still, if only because we barely even know the half of the story behind her and Salem. I wouldn't even necessarily say Salem is beyond being a sympathetic villain.
Now granted, unless the series ends up Going Cosmic on us, which I wouldn't rule out, that's going to be limited to a Freudian Excuse level of sympathy.
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*Sigh* Hello, my name is Neopolitan Torchwick. You killed my _____. Prepare to Die.
edited 28th Mar '16 8:02:18 PM by WillDeRegio
Cinder is the last survivor of Mountain Glenn and blames Ozpin for creating the false hope that it's people were safe leading to the deaths of her entire family.
I'd be surprised if Cinder and Salem didn't have sympathetic backstories, I'm just of the opinion that at best it will push them into "I understand why they're this way but they still need to be stopped" territory.

iirc his last words were literally "I am a survivor!"
edited 28th Mar '16 11:06:26 AM by EpicBleye
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