Yeah pretty much, so far morality in this show is simple: the good team are RWBY and JNR, the grey morality team(Ozpin and cia) who have shady buissness and are usually harsher than the rest(Ironwood being so strict,Glinda being stern,Qrow is dick with everyone and Winter is harsh) and of course the bad guys(Salem and Minions) so far the darkness will come when good guy figure how the shady deals the grey team have made and come with the understanding they cant relie on them in this fight.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"but aparenly it is, with Ozpin holding secreat and Ironwood being part of Atlas...yeah, even Orow is grey consider how much of a dick he is to everyone.
Also, can we consider put Parental favoritise with him? he seen to care about Ruby WAAAAAY more than Yang. I really doubt he would call Ruby crazy if she have a dream about Raven.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"I dont know, it seen Salem dosent give a tham about it, she consider humanity a good oponent and even said he was right by standing united as one, but them she blame him for being ruthless,manipulative and a liar so this is the key:what Ozpin did and what is that lie? after all he is pretty harsh on himself and aparenly for a good damn reason.
You knocked off the important part of my sentence - I was talking about the song lyrics. Still, even in her speech within the episode, it's still all about bringing down humanity to get at Ozpin. This is all about blaming Ozpin for something and wanting to see him suffer first before he gets killed off. She doesn't simply want Ozpin to die, she wants him to suffer. In fact, even her stated wish (to see Ozpin burn) isn't about killing him - it could be an eternal damnation sort of desire.
I don't see it. Ruby's the baby of the family, and seems to be treated that way by all three of her relatives (including Yang). However, Ruby has been focussed on more because she's the main character which is the main reason it looks like Qrow spends more time with her. I think Qrow loves both girls equally. He seems to have a really good handle on the personalities of both girls and treats them according to those personalities, so the relationships are different. His relationship with Yang is more mature than his relationship with Ruby because Yang is more mature than Ruby. That does not make Yang an adult (she isn't, and doesn't act like an adult yet), but I think that "Hey, Firecracker" comment - just two words - told us everything we needed to know about how Qrow feels about Yang (kudos to Vic Mignoga for that voice acting - that "so just crazy then" was said gently, too, it wasn't nasty or a statement of fact; I think Qrow was fishing for something - Yang's reaction, I suspect).
Besides, did you see the crow perched on the tree outside Yang's window just as Ruby was sneaking off with Jaune's group? Yang's being watched over more than she knows. Although we didn't see the eye colour, my immediate guess was that it was Qrow - his way of saying good bye to her before he started following Ruby's group.
(When I mention eye colour there, I'm thinking of the raven/crow that watched the start of the fight between Qrow and Winter which had red eyes. I believed that was Raven the moment I first saw the scene, so I was glad to see Qrow transform into a raven/crow - it fit my theory.)
edited 27th Mar '16 10:32:36 AM by Wyldchyld
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I think the reason she want to destroy Ozpin is because he "lie" to mankind about something, aparenly the grimm threat is waaaaay beyond they know and Ozpin is hinding for some reason, I think he have much to do with the formation of the kindoms as whole and the current system that aparenly is not working as they think it is.
And with Qrow...well, there is how he treat Yang, he sound dismisive and even call her crazy, which is something he wont said to Ruby, he cared about Yang of course...but he dosent seen so close to her
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Watch as we find out that one of the secrets Ozpin has is knowledge of an Eldritch Abomination Grimm capable of wiping out all of humanity, and no Huntress or Huntsman alive can defeat it at this moment. And Salem goes and wakes it up, only to find out it's more powerful than she expected.
Qrow mentored Ruby and taught her fighting style and weapon even though it was prior to that something unique to him. And taught her so well she's two years above what she should be in skill. Obviously he's closer to her than Yang who takes after her father more.
We don't know why yet especially since he's not related to Ruby by blood. He could have done that under Ozpin's orders to get their next silver eyed warrior ready for the part he wanted her to play.
Or it could be that she lacked the physique or something for Taiyang's marital arts and Qrow being used to being in Taiyang's shadow (he romanced both Qrow's sister and their other female teammate and was married twice. Qrow is a lonely drunk) took over and taught her something she could work with so she didn't feel left out.
However Qrow also treats Ruby like a kid, while he's more serious with Yang who's older.
Qrow mentoring Ruby isn't a guarantee that he's closer to Ruby than Yang, especially since we assume Yang was mentored by Taiyang instead. It also assumes that the mentoring was done in isolation from each other - which could be the case, but doesn't have to be.
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Ruby and Yang style dosent mach up every well: Yang is brawler who relie in streght and endurence to win while Ruby focus more in speed and have a major weapon, so aside for sparring and some team work* it dosent translate that well.
Also while he treat Yang liek and adult....he dosent treat Adults very well, he is dismisive of both Ozpin and Ironwood, sometimes to be point of mockery, he pretty much bait Winter in to a fight/hate-sex and he dosent seen to give a fuck about much of the things, so far Ruby is the only one who treat with kindness.
- :Some teamwork we never see at all, I meant really a this point Roman and Neo have better team work than the main chararters...and they are sisters!
edited 27th Mar '16 11:28:58 PM by unknowing
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that's not true at all regarding yang. She's shown to have fantastic martial arts skills and the ability to think dynamically.
Hell, the only time Ruby's even done anything is at the beginning of the series and the end of volume 3.
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I can get behind Roman being a chick. Can we call her Romana from now on? Roman did nearly end up with a stripy, highly colourful scarf in his character design, after all.
I'm not sure what you think I said, because I can't tell how this relates to my post. Would you mind clarifying?
Qrow displayed both great speed and strength against Winter, not one or the other. It wasn't just his strength that made Winter nervous at times, there were a couple of moments when his speed shocked her, too.
We don't know why Qrow decided to start training Ruby, but we do know one thing. In Episode 1, Ozpin seemed to know who had trained Ruby before she told him. And, given that we later learn Qrow knew exactly what had been discussed at that meeting, I'm willing to bet that Qrow's training of Ruby had something to do with Ozpin. It's not like the interview is what convinced him to take her in two years early; I think it's fairly obvious that he'd already made up his mind before he even met her, contingent on one, single thing that did require interviewing - establishing that her motive is to protect people. His apparently whimsical "Oh, all right then" wasn't whimsical at all - by saying she wanted to protect people, she passed the test.
You and I have a very different interpretation of Qrow, which is fair enough. I think Winter is the only person he's mocked to bait; they do seem to have some kind of history there. Ironwood is someone he had a genuine, and very important, disagreement of opinion with - the pair of them handle their issue with each other differently because they have different personalities, but it's mutual. He hasn't treated Ozpin with any kind of disrespect - but he has displayed real concern about the way Ironwood has treated Ozpin, and also concern over the fact that Ozpin appears to be letting Ironwood get away with it.
Qrow is rough and jaded, but he's a very common character type, which is why there are so many tropes about his kind of character. They're commonly the kind who feel very deeply, but work hard to hide it (sometimes by any means necessary). We don't know him well enough to know if he's Jerk with a Heart of Gold or Jerkass Façade instead, but he's almost certainly going to turn out to be a Stepford Snarker - his kind almost always do.
edited 28th Mar '16 8:04:06 AM by Wyldchyld
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Yeah sory about that, my point there is Yang and Ruby skill where diferent
"Would you mind clarifying?"
Is about this part
" It also assumes that the mentoring was done in isolation from each other - which could be the case, but doesn't have to be."
Considering the age gap and diferent way both fight I suport they learn in insolation with each other.
Abut why Ozpin let her...is not just that answer, but the Silver eyes, I dont think he tell Qrow he should train Ruby(it make him sound waaaay too much manipulative) but after knowing his hability in the fight and the silver eyes, it was sold
And yes, Qrow have a point in his concern, but dosent change the fact that, to put it blunly, he is a jerk with everyone, when Phyrra said her team and doing a great work, Qrow remark that is just because of her, or moment latter in the vault he just move unconcern about her or the situation in general, he dosent seen any dferent with Yang.
Basicly, Qrow is kind like dr.house: a jerk who is almost usually right about everything, Ruby is the only exception of this rule since he threat her with pacience and kindness, unlike....everybody else really.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Considering the age gap and diferent way both fight I suport they learn in insolation with each other.
I don't think you and I are thinking of the same thing. Given what I was talking about, Yang and Ruby being different ages or having different fighting styles isn't really relevant, which is why I said it may not matter in my original post.
We already have a good idea that Signal might not have officially approved of Ruby learning that weapon, so there's already a decent chance that much of Ruby's training was more in a "family" environment than a "school" environment. And even if the school did end up supporting it, that still doesn't negate a family environment existing for training given that we're talking about an entire family of hunters.
Anyway, if people with different styles have to train in the kind of isolation you appear to be talking about, how would any proper training ever be done? Not only in real life, but look at Glynda's classes. There was no isolation there.
I think Episode 1 itself made it pretty clear that Ozpin and this "dusty, old crow" were in cahoots where Ruby was concerned; it was a fairly obvious set-up. I haven't given any reasons for why Ozpin would want it (the silver eyes obviously come into it), but you're automatically assuming that my speculation about Ozpin has to manipulative in a bad way? That's how your post sounds, anyway.
I don't think it necessarily has to be. Look at the legend - silver eyed people are destined for a warrior's life and have some mysterious ability that combats the Grimm. So, it sounds like Ruby's inevitably going to be drawn towards the Grimm. If so, it's actually in her own best interests to be as skilled as possible to maximise her own chances of survival. It therefore makes sense for her to be trained as early and completely as possible.
Manipulation can obviously be a bad thing, but it can be a good thing. Usually, it's a mixture of the two - which is suspect is what's going on with Ozpin.
Also, looking at the song lyrics, it looks like Ozpin doesn't actually want to use Ruby in his wider machinations (which would fit in with the comment he made to Ironwood's departed back, that he hopes his kids never have to fight a war). The lyrics imply that Ozpin doesn't want to use his "smaller soul", so Salem is going to manipulate events to force him into using that "smaller soul". The lyrics seem to connect the forced use of that soul to whatever breaking point Salem's trying to force Ozpin to reach.
So, if Ozpin knows what Salem's trying to force from him, that could explain one of the reasons why he's trying to keep the kids out of things for as long as possible. Training them to protect themselves and humanity is common sense, given the situation, but he can still make sure they're trained and try and keep them out of the worst of it at the same time.
My point is that Ozpin was probably involved with Qrow's decision to train Ruby - as much to protect Ruby herself as for whatever grand plan he's trying to achieve. That's why I think Ozpin is a mixture of the two types of manipulation (both good and bad). And, given that Ozpin and Qrow have been compared to each other, my guess is that Qrow would have reached this conclusion all by himself without Ozpin anyway, so he'd have done it whether or not Ozpin was involved, and for the same kind of reason.
Pyrrha was being very modest and a very good team-player with the response she gave. Qrow was pointing out the truth. He may have pointed out the truth in a very blunt, abrasive fashion, but he wasn't mocking anyone, and he certainly wasn't mocking Pyrrha. He's got a 'call a spade a spade' personality - he doesn't hold back the truth as he sees it, and he doesn't mince words. Yes, he's a bit of a jerk. That doesn't mean he doesn't care - his character type is the type that does care. Being caring and being a jerk are not mutually exclusive.
Which scene in the vault are you referring to?
On the subject of Qrow, Ruby and Yang, the one, single scene in which all three were together, Qrow was treating the pair of them exactly the same. When he's one-on-one with them, he seems to treat them according to both the situation they're in and the personality they're dealing with. His conversation with Yang was much more serious and mature than his conversation with Ruby because it was a much more mature, serious situation.
edited 28th Mar '16 10:47:51 AM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.To be fair he also said Ruby was hilariously naive to think 4 trainees could really make a dent in the White Fang and Roman's criminal underworld, and that she wasn't really learning or improving that much at Beacon because it's not until she would finish her time there and start traveling the world that she'd really start to grow.
So he's kind of dismissive towards anyone positive really. He was just harder on Yang because she screwed up with Mercury (even if it was an illusion her first choice when getting sneak attacked by a guy with almost no aura was to smash the guys leg instead of just tanking the hit with her greater reserves or at least going eaiser on him. Part the developing thing over the season that her hotheaded tendencies weren't quite as great as implied). And was nicer to Ruby at the end of the Volume because Ruby (and Weiss but she wasn't there) was one of the few people that didn't screw up or otherwise make a poor choice in the finale, and also there might have been some manipulation there because he wanted her back out in the fight, considering he steered her towards her next destination. Yang wasn't gonna be of any help anytime soon, though we don't know if he tried to confort her over her injury or not.
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Exactly. He completely manipulated Ruby into heading towards Haven, but at the same time, we see the crow watching over Yang just as Ruby sneaks off on her journey, so Qrow has been keeping an eye on Yang, he's just been doing it secretly (my guess is that Ruby and Yang don't know that Qrow can shapeshift - it's probably how he intervened in time when Yang and Ruby were young children, too; he followed Yang in bird-form - I wouldn't mind betting Raven has a raven-form she can do the same thing with).
There's a Tear Jerker entry saying that Roman and Neo's last scene was heartbreaking because Roman was Driven to Suicide by what happened to Neo. Is that even valid given what really happened in the scene, or should that be on the YMMV page under Alternative Character Interpretation?
edited 28th Mar '16 10:57:54 AM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.The entry is as follows:
- A moment of silence for Neo AND Roman as well. One of the most heartbreaking performances on the show is delivered by Roman's actor in one word. Which really puts the guy ignoring the fact he's in a Grimm-infested sky to monologue in new context. That's right. We may have just seen Roman Driven to Suicide in his final moments.
I know Tear Jerker is pretty YMMV, but I'm wondering about shifting it to Alternative Character Interpretation given that it's so different to how the scene actually unfolds. I don't want to delete it completely.
edited 28th Mar '16 10:54:37 AM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

I don't think anyone's saying that Salem will turn out to be right, or not evil; just that the main characters' jobs will be more complicated than "beat the bad guy and everything will be just fine".
EDIT: also not accusing anyone of saying it would be that simple.
edited 27th Mar '16 12:15:33 AM by Novis
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