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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#30326: Mar 11th 2016 at 8:51:09 PM

[up][up]That and narrative reason, like tail beast in naruto, it seen necesary for stoping Salem...or whatever plan of her.

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AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#30327: Mar 11th 2016 at 8:55:36 PM

I'm not sure RWBY are gonna end up the Maidens anymore. I think that just a red herring or obvious set up only to do something different. Or as my friend, who riffed the first 3 seasons with me said (4 main girls and 4 powers exclusive to girls. Gee I wonder what's gonna happen).

But instead a different heroine was set up to get the power, and then the villain got it anyway, while the main character revealed a completely unrelated super power instead.

So I think they'll do something different with the maidens. Maybe Salem will get them all. Maybe a new character yet to be introduced will get them. Maybe only one of RWBY will get them. I dunno, but I think RWBY becoming the 4 maidens was too obvious and exactly what they wanted you to think only to do something different.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#30328: Mar 11th 2016 at 9:12:17 PM

[up]Except Ruby having power is what many expect them to do, is the typical "she/he is just a typical teenager...who just happen to be special for X reason" she is now the "girl who lived"

Also the Maiden are tie with Ozpin and Salem for some reason, that make them important, so having been something else would be a bad payoff

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AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#30329: Mar 11th 2016 at 10:10:07 PM

People expected Ruby to be a maiden. Instead she's a silver eyes, which while briefly hinted in the first episode two years prior is something that came completely out of left field.

WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#30330: Mar 11th 2016 at 11:53:22 PM

My train of thought for bring back Penny got slightly derailed when thinking about the seven dwarves: wild mass guessWeiss ends up with seven chibi Pennys (Pennies?) following her around.wild mass guess

Also, Weiss should be the one to dispatch the Grimm Dragon Wyvernnote  so she can summon it later.

wild mass guessSomeone will have a dragon that they ride/fight with. A real, non-Grimm dragon.wild mass guess

edited 11th Mar '16 11:59:25 PM by WillDeRegio

UndyingPhoenix Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#30331: Mar 11th 2016 at 11:59:20 PM

Uh, I think that a wyvern only has one pair of legs and wings.

edited 12th Mar '16 12:04:28 AM by UndyingPhoenix

MalcolmBelmontS Since: May, 2015
#30332: Mar 12th 2016 at 12:04:38 AM

I like to thing that like The Schnees the Rose Family have a shared semblance and that the silver eyes power is one part of that semblance.

edited 12th Mar '16 12:04:50 AM by MalcolmBelmontS

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#30333: Mar 12th 2016 at 12:21:53 AM

I found something interesting on the whole Sam vs Raiden thing:

This is an interesting question, because it's not either of them who is stronger or more skilled. In fact, that's a relatively moot point. Raiden's new body offered him some advantage in their final fight, an advantage he didn't have originally, yes, but that advantage isn't why he won. The first time Raiden fought Sam, he was mentally weak. He was conflicted, and he wasn't at the top of his game. He starts Rising how he left MGS 4, believing in a cause he's not just unsure of, but unsure of his reasons behind believing. Raiden is conflicted through most of MGR, he's hurting, and he's fighting against himself. Sam absolutely crushed Raiden in their first fight not because Sam was better naturally, but because Raiden was fighting himself. Sam is entirely sure of his cause. He's 100% devoted. And in Metal Gear, devotion matters. It's maybe what matters most in the whole series. Solid Snake never wins because he's superior to his opponents. He never wins because he can think more tacticially, or because he is somewhat better than them. He simply is devoted to his mission. He will carry out his mission, no matter what. Even if the parameters change, even if things go terribly, he will complete his mission. So Raiden, conflicted about his whole life, is effortlessly destroyed by Sam, who is not conflicted in the slightest. And through the game, Raiden comes to terms with himself. He stops fighting his inner bloodlust. He accepts that he's, really, a terrible psychopath willing to kill and slaughter. But he's a terrible psychopath willing to kill and slaughter in order to do good. Sam goes through the opposite transformation. Raiden's fight against Desperado actually makes him reconsider his stance. He actually loses his 100% faith, because of how strongly Raiden is opposing them. Not only is Raiden opposing them, but he's fucking slaughtering the Winds of Destruction. He's taking on one of the most powerful PM Cs and winning. So in the final fight, Raiden and Sam have switched. Not in power, not in strength, not in speed. They have switched in dedication. Raiden is committed, he's set, and he's willful. He's lost his inhibitions, and he's fucking pissed. Sam is wondering, and he's a little unsure. That's why Raiden wins. Not his body, not his speed, not his skill. He's just more determined.

Also, just as an added thought, because I realized this contextualizes the Armstrong fight really well too. The Armstrong fight basically begins with Raiden's faith being shaken. He's basically lost. For all his fighting, he's helped fulfill Armstrong's goals. Armstrong, however, is beyond strong in his belief. He's not like Sam. He can't be shaken. He's too deep into his own pit. So where Sam beat Raiden's ass, Armstrong breaks Raiden's sword. The glorious nippon steel is just fucking obliterated. Sam beat Raiden down, he actively tried to stop him. Armstrong already won. He's just in this to fuck Raiden up. Raiden is so fucked. All his confidence is tossed out of the fucking window and he has his ass handed to him on a scale unseen since Meryl knocked out Johnny and left him ass-up naked on the floor. Then, right at the end, we get Blade Wolf giving Raiden Sam's muramasa. This does two things. Both of which extremely turn the tide of the fight. Firstly, it shows that Blade Wolf gives a shit. After an entire game of somewhat keeping his distance from Raiden, acting stiff and weird around him, only exemplified after Raiden kills Sam, Wolf shows Raiden that he cares enough about Raiden to put himself in danger to help him. He actively sets himself up to be potentially killed by Armstrong, just to make sure Raiden stands a fighting chance. After the shake up they went through, this means something. Secondly, it shows Sam was willing to die for Raiden. Sam's faith in his cause was shaken, but he was willing to stake it all on Raiden. If Raiden lost, oh well, guess he wasn't what he was cracked up to be. But if Raiden won? Sam was willing to help in any way he could, from the grave. Sam bet his entire morality, his entire view of what he was doing, on the outcome of that battle. Raiden inherits Sam's blade, and Sam's will. At the very end, Armstrong is just too strong to beat. He's too powerful physically, and too insanely into his own ideals, for Raiden to stand a chance. But Raiden and Sam, combined? That might just be enough. All of this changes Raiden in a way that very much decides the fight. Raiden's will to save the day vanishes. He's already lost, it does him no good. He throws it away. He tosses all his morals, his decisions, everything he used to keep himself on the right side, he throws out. And he replaces it with sheer fucking anger. No more justice, no more ideals. Just pure, seething hatred, against a man who Raiden just really, really wants to kill. And as it turns out, Raiden wants to kill Armstrong a hell of a lot more than Armstrong wants to kill Raiden.

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AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#30334: Mar 12th 2016 at 12:50:18 AM

I don't think it's connected like that. Ruby has her own semblence which has nothing to do with the Schnee's or the Silver eyes. I seems to be a seperate thing.

WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#30335: Mar 12th 2016 at 1:56:54 AM

After stumbling through trope pages, I came across something that rung a bell from one of the stories Pyrrha mentioned in V3, E6: "the tale of the two brothers." There is a story in the Brothers Grimm collection called The Two Brothers. I wonder if they're related in some way, either as a Shout-Out, or as both stories being the samenote ?

edited 12th Mar '16 2:11:19 AM by WillDeRegio

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#30336: Mar 12th 2016 at 3:36:59 AM

[up][up][up] Might be a wrong thread.

...though really, the notion of Yang getting Dustmachines sounds silly.

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#30337: Mar 12th 2016 at 3:57:51 AM

The final battle with Adam will result in Yang getting injured which causes Blake to go ballistic and beat Adam. Blake will then cradle Yang's body while sobbing and confessing her love. At that moment, Yang wakes up and the 2 share a passionate kiss.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#30338: Mar 12th 2016 at 5:57:01 AM

I was only asking about the Maiden train of thought because it never occurred to me that RWBY would get their powers. The thought never seemed like a possibility, so I was surprised to see it mentioned in that context yesterday.

WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#30339: Mar 12th 2016 at 6:01:56 AM

[up][up][up]I was thinking the route of Yang kills Adam and gets his sword.

[up][up]This, we need more of this, not the dark anathemanote  we're speculating RWBY will become.

edited 12th Mar '16 6:02:32 AM by WillDeRegio

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#30340: Mar 12th 2016 at 6:42:52 AM

Uh, I think that a wyvern only has one pair of legs and wings.
Puma VS Lion

Same thing, different breed.

A wyvern is just a specific type of body shape for a Dragon, which aforementioned Grimm has (two back legs, two wings, no forelimbs), what people are referring to as "dragon" is properly called a Wyrm.

Side note: Dragons of any type don't need to have a Breath Weapon, it's just very common. Chinese Lungs almost never have them in the original stories.

edited 12th Mar '16 6:44:06 AM by BlackSunNocturne

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#30341: Mar 12th 2016 at 8:18:21 AM

" while briefly hinted in the first episode two years prior is something that came completely out of left field."

And the maiden think come out of the blue without any warning whatsoever

"There is a story in the Brothers Grimm collection called The Two Brothers. I wonder if they're related in some way, either as a Shout-Out, or as both stories being the same"

Now that is intersting.....

Also depending of what they want to adapt, Sun would be ket in defeating Adam as Sun wukong manage to defeat the Bull king....but who knows

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MalcolmBelmontS Since: May, 2015
#30342: Mar 12th 2016 at 10:46:26 AM

I doubt RWBY will become Jojo Levels of dark (aka a shit lot of people die). I mean Pyrrha's death was pretty brutal but it won't be on the level of Jolyne,Gyro,Johnny,Jonathan,Ceaser,Iggy's deaths

I mean i would be suprised if we got a death as brutal as Iggy or Johnny

WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#30343: Mar 12th 2016 at 10:59:22 AM

I'm really tempted to give my spin on how things could get darker. But then I'd be a hypocrite. But injecting more poison into the discussion might slow the anathemanote , or it might make things worse, and I'll Never Live It Down.

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#30344: Mar 12th 2016 at 1:32:51 PM

People expected Ruby to be a maiden. Instead she's a silver eyes, which while briefly hinted in the first episode two years prior is something that came completely out of left field.

Ruby's eyes are foreshadowed in the opening credits as well. Look at Volume 3 where Ruby and Cinder are fighting. The clash ends with the camera zooming in on Ruby's eyes as the screen turns white and shifts to a new scene.

The opening credits are worth watching carefully. Miles and Luna did say that they do put foreshadowing into the opening credits to see if anyone can catch them (both before events and with hindsight).

edited 12th Mar '16 1:34:38 PM by Wyldchyld

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AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#30345: Mar 12th 2016 at 7:17:15 PM

People thought they eyes marked something special about them. I don't think anyone was expecting angel wing beams that petrify Grimm to come shooting from them though.

MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#30346: Mar 12th 2016 at 7:24:32 PM

If there was something to indicate the effect of the ability before hand, that would be proper foreshadowing; as it stood, Ozpin commenting about Ruby's eyes could have just been a Harry Potter-style "you have your mother's eyes" kind of thing.

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#30347: Mar 12th 2016 at 7:58:44 PM

Honestly, I wouldn't call Ruby's eyes being Chekhov's Gun. More like Chekhov's Coloured Bullet. Something so insignificant that it being a Chekhov's Gun is just ridiculous.

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#30348: Mar 12th 2016 at 10:56:04 PM

I don't really mind the reveal at all, because it didn't save the day or anything. Sure, it froze the dragon, thus preventing it from being a continuous threat immediately, and it freaked Cinder out a bit, which was fun, but aside from that it didn't really change the fact that Cinder got what she wanted and seemingly got out. It was meant as a flashy reveal for the silver eyes being a source of explicit power, and thus revealing the next form of power Ruby can manifest.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#30349: Mar 12th 2016 at 11:00:49 PM

[up]it stop cinder plan for being a total Víctory and while cant control it is pretty much and anti grimm weapon, not just s regular power

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MalcolmBelmontS Since: May, 2015
#30350: Mar 13th 2016 at 12:53:17 AM

Damn it now you are making me think that there are angels in RWBY with the angels once living among the humans and after the great war involving Salem retreated to an area outside of Renmeant. Salem and Ozpin being former angels will extremely high power and forced to take a body of mortality. Summer being an angel as a child accidentally fell to the ground, her no longer remembering her childhood as an angel and was rescued by Taiyang and Summer decided to call herself "Summer Rose". Ruby being a half angel/human. That's not a bad idea

edited 13th Mar '16 12:54:49 AM by MalcolmBelmontS


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