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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#30276: Mar 11th 2016 at 10:15:01 AM

Yeah, feral state and transformation sound like fan fiction ideas, and we already have that silver eyes bullshit right now

"that they're literally just people looking with ears and a tail." fixed for youtongue

And so far is a problem of the show playing uber badass with strong punch over agiltity and other ways of fighting.

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#30277: Mar 11th 2016 at 10:18:55 AM

Ozpin, Neo, Adam, and others disagree.

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#30278: Mar 11th 2016 at 10:19:44 AM

[up][up]If you're talking about Yang, we've seen multiple times that she's not the best fighter. She's the physically strongest, but not the best fighter. Honestly, if we're going by team RWBY I'd say it's either Ruby or Weiss because they have the thing that wins fights easier: Versatility

Honestly, Yang to be seems to be a PERFECT example of Unskilled, but Strong. She has no real tactics aside from "punch shit".

[up]That too.

RWBY seems to be a series-wide case of Force and Finesse.

And the "Finesse" group seems to always trump the "Force" group.

edited 11th Mar '16 10:21:19 AM by BlackSunNocturne

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#30279: Mar 11th 2016 at 10:22:44 AM

She has no real tactics aside from "punch shit".
Uh, that's kind of very wrong. She's shown that she's quite skilled at martial arts at several times throughout the series. I think that's a bit more than "punch shit".

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#30280: Mar 11th 2016 at 10:23:50 AM

That's just not true. Yang is definitely the best fighter of team RWBY, though I'd say Pyrrha is better than her. She's brash, impulsive and loses her temper easily, but from a choreography point of view she still blows the other out of the water in one-on-ones. They chose her to rep RWBY in the singles round for a reason.

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#30281: Mar 11th 2016 at 10:26:07 AM

Remind me, can Blake summon more than like one or two clones at once? Because if not, I guess her learning how to summon multiple clones is one way to make her catch up with rest of the team.

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#30282: Mar 11th 2016 at 10:26:41 AM

[up]She can now.

Sorry, I worded it wrong:

I'm saying that Yang's a Close-Range Combatant who's main skill is melee brawling. Her Semblance plays it further. And as we saw with her "fight" against Neo, Yang's greatest strength is also her weakness. If she can't get damaged enough to get her Semblance going, she's going to get beaten.

And being a good melee fighter is great, if you're only fighting in melee. If you meet someone who can outrange you, you lose. If you meet someone who's got counters up the wazoo, you lose.

Yang's not the best fighter on RWBY because she has a Crippling Overspecialization.

[down]Weiss is also the Squishy Wizard of the group. No shit she got beat.

edited 11th Mar '16 10:30:33 AM by BlackSunNocturne

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#30283: Mar 11th 2016 at 10:28:44 AM

"Ozpin, Neo, Adam, and others disagree. "

Adam use even more force than her, Ozpin is OP aparenly(and is still capture...somehow) and Neo is the only time where style fight beat streght

Just look Weiss vs Not-leatherface: the guy just take her face and plum to the ground montain style, I stil said is the most WTF moment in the entire series.

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God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#30284: Mar 11th 2016 at 10:31:36 AM

[up][up]Yeah, I played a melee specialist too, in the one RP we had. Multiple times, I brought up his weakness of being unable to close the distance and being absolutely useless.

edited 11th Mar '16 10:32:17 AM by God_of_Awesome

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#30285: Mar 11th 2016 at 10:36:10 AM

[up]Exactly.

Also, I was just talking in Skype about this:

Weiss isn't the Squishy Wizard, she's worse than that.

A rapier-wielder, who has buffs for allies and herself?

She's the Bard of the group [lol] No wonder she gets beat a a lot. The bard isn't supposed to get into melee combat, especially not one-on-one combat [lol]

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#30286: Mar 11th 2016 at 10:39:30 AM

Yang's not the best fighter on RWBY because she has a Crippling Overspecialization.
I disagree with that too. She's shown in her fights against Grimm (and the giant mech) that she's able to hold her own and deal as much, if not more, damage than her teammates. Her semblance only ever counted in her fight against the giant mech and against Mercury (and maybe her trailer, though that was more overkill than anything else). Everywhere else it was just her own skill showing.

You're confusing narrative victory with actual fighting ability. Ruby and Weiss are able to hold their own because of being able to use their surroundings as the plot calls for it. Yang is able to hold her own because she's a super-capable and skilled fighter. Her issues are because she's very hot-headed, not because she's a melee-fighter.

edited 11th Mar '16 10:40:14 AM by EpicBleye

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#30287: Mar 11th 2016 at 10:51:18 AM

@Nocturne: Can you give me an example? Like only time I can think Blake using more than one clone is in beginning of Season 3, and that was once.

Also, one thing about Blake's clones is that they are less like clones and more like substitutes. She can either leave one behind to block an attack or to use one to boost her forwards. However, I cannot recall her being able to send a clone to directly attack, like say Hibiki.

Basically what I am saying that I would like for Blake's clones to act on their own.

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#30288: Mar 11th 2016 at 10:55:27 AM

[up]After Adam disarms Yang. Blake makes multiple clones that last long enough for her to run away with Yang. Plus: she also used one to copy Yang's appearance.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#30289: Mar 11th 2016 at 10:56:00 AM

[up][up]are not the same thing? the fighter have enought power as plot demands, just look roman who goes all over the place in how good it is

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#30290: Mar 11th 2016 at 11:05:23 AM

They are not. Narrative victory relies more on varying factors that the character has no control over. Extreme cases take the form of Deus ex Machina, but a good example of this is how RWBY and JNPR took out the big grimm bird and the scorpion in the beginning. By all accounts they were a much more difficult enemy than they should be able to handle, but by making use of what they had they were able to overcome their opponents.

Contrast with actual fighting ability, Yang clearly has a lot more training and skill in armed combat than the other members of team RWBY (similar to Pyyrha from JNPR), but the circumstances that she fights has just as much effect on the fight as her skill- explaining why Neo and Adam kicked her ass.

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#30291: Mar 11th 2016 at 11:05:53 AM

[up][up][up] Honestly, I don't know how to even see the scene. Did she create last-second clone or was the Blake what ran to Yang clone the whole time? If latter, how did Blake snatch Yang away under Adam's nose like that? Also, nothing at that scene implied she created multiple clones.

Also, to elaborate further, what I want to see is Blake creating multiple clones at once and attacking someone in unison, or attacking multiple targets like that.

edited 11th Mar '16 11:06:12 AM by TPPR10

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WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#30292: Mar 11th 2016 at 11:15:24 AM

[up]x7 Edward and Rydia had a child. That child was the first Schnee. tongue

Weiss is very much in the class of Squishy Wizard. She's a Black Mage, she's a Bard, she's also a Summoner.

@Blake's Clones. wild mass guessEventually Blake will learn the Shadow Clone Jutsu as an expansion on her Semblance. We'll still complain about Blake being useless because the technique requires a lot of Aura to use.wild mass guess

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#30293: Mar 11th 2016 at 11:29:52 AM

The beast form would fit with the beauty and the beast theme and it would provide context to the "man with 2 souls thing"

edited 11th Mar '16 11:30:04 AM by DarthSion

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AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#30294: Mar 11th 2016 at 11:31:42 AM

Weiss also probably counts as a rogue being that she can hit hard and fast, just can't take hits in return. Then again nobody on RWBY can really take hits well, except Yang, or well Yang until she went up against Neo or Adam.

Man I remember when Yang was this meme badass who could defeat everyone.

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#30295: Mar 11th 2016 at 11:34:03 AM

Once she gets a swiss army robot arm and goes ss2 she will be again

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#30296: Mar 11th 2016 at 11:35:46 AM

[up]x2 Rogues tend to be marginally less squishy than casters since they're a lot more physical, plus they tend to be sneaky. Weiss is the wizard of the group (bard doesn't work here because she doesn't fit the entire archetype).

edited 11th Mar '16 11:38:58 AM by Karxrida

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#30297: Mar 11th 2016 at 11:37:55 AM

When are we going to see grimm raptors

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#30298: Mar 11th 2016 at 11:43:50 AM

[up][up]She's a buffer, "magic"-based, sings (not in combat, sadly) and uses a rapier (the quintessential "Bard weapon" in D&D/Pathfinder).

She's a Bard.

edited 11th Mar '16 11:44:05 AM by BlackSunNocturne

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#30299: Mar 11th 2016 at 11:45:07 AM

Singing or performing in combat is the important part, and she lacks it. Besides, Bards aren't really known for coming from the upper class.

edited 11th Mar '16 11:46:11 AM by Karxrida

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#30300: Mar 11th 2016 at 11:46:11 AM

Yes but is she spoony

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