Ruby being the only girl with White morality in a Black and Grey world...that sounds familiar
Please RT don't go Urobutcher on our asses
Uni catI can't possibly see a good reason for Salem and Cinder and co ruining the world stability, and Salem in her monologues just sounds evil. Like she does not want humanity to come out of this clean.
Ozpin might be using people like pawns and he showed a hilarious lack of competence in the last chapter (Seriously they knew bad stuff was gonna go down and they did nothing to try to stop it until it was already far too late) but I can't really see him as evil. He might think like he knows better than everyone else, and that viewpoint can be harmful, but certainly not evil.
Not evil but quite ruthless, just like dumbledore throw harry into the meat grinder(something Snake, jerkass extraordinary and dogged nice guy par none, point out) Cinder and Salem since to thing he build everything in lies and his system is just cruel mercy, depend of how true ether of them are will depend in their sympathy.
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the butcher is coming faso...and he is eating all the hope, let him destroy this pointless world and moving to the next
No. Salem & CO are out of bounds at this point. Mercury and Emerald could possibly bail, but Cinder and the lady herself are as unrepentant as they come.
Cinder more-so, since she's the one doing the hands-on action as opposed to her mistress being vaguely evil and ominous in the epilogue. Cinder's hands-on action consists of killing two people, one of whom she did not need to kill. Really, she had fun doing the kill in question.
But this is not Urobutcher-level yet.
Cinder dosent need to be unrepent, as far she can tell, Atlas create a perfect little spy, put a huge fleet and robot army, Ozpin decide a little girl like Phyrra would be part of his conspiracy...a little girl who dare to face in battle.
Cinder had way too much fun killing tons of people, devasating a city and upturning global stability, causing misery and fear on a global scale to not be an unrepentant sociopath.
It doesn't really matter what Ozpin did. Nothing could have warrented that, and if she wasn't evil she wouldn't have enjoyed doing it so much and would have tried to minimize casualties instead of incinerating someone for kicks.
did she? is hard to said consider she have that actituded all the damn time, I remenber one critic saying roman display way more personality than her by acting diferent depend of the person.
And again depend of what Ozpin did, she will feel he have to be destroy at all cost, not that make her any less black morality, it would make her product of Ozpin mistakes.
edited 3rd Mar '16 1:28:29 PM by unknowing
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
sorry but if a canadian magneto try to crush me with freaking gigant gears them I not going to be a good guy about it, but the exchange was more of "I was not your destiny to wield this power...but my."
Actually, looking now in retrospecty, Phyrra final line looks like "So...do you belive in destinty?"
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Pyrrha was no threat to her, and she was defeated and the tower was done. Going out of her way to kill her because someone else wanted her to have her power (which btw isn't rightfully her's either since she stole it from Amber so every time she claims she's supposed to be the real Fall Maiden she's fooling herself) is just being a vindictive little bitch.
It wouldn't have instantly backfired on her (with Ruby powering up) if it wasn't the wrong thing to do.
To be fair, at that moment Pyrrha proved herself a threat, and she couldn't let someone who proved a credible threat live, otherwise she definitely would've come back and ruined her plan in the future.
Really, it was the logical thing to do.
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Basically. Self-defense was all and good until Pyrrha was on her knees and weaponless.
And Cinder didn't just kill her; she scattered her ashes before herself. There is no Pyrrha left to bury, to venerate as a martyr. She was erased out of existence, for lack of a better term.
That is a little "bitch evil" to me.
Fair enough. The point about scattering the ashes stands still though.
edited 3rd Mar '16 2:17:52 PM by FergardStratoavis
Basically, by executing Pyrrha, she awakaned a power that could potentially be a detriment to her plans.
Good Job Cinder! That's why you don't kill waifus bitch
edited 3rd Mar '16 2:20:09 PM by fasoman1996
Uni catActually, looking now in retrospecty, Phyrra final line looks like "So...do you belive in destinty?"
Well, Cinder was being hypocritical, given that the only way she could obtain the Maiden power was by stealing it. Someone who is meant for the power won't have to steal it. Besides, if Ozpin really is the wizard who originally gave his own power to the four sisters to create the Maiden legacy then, in an unprecedented scenario such as Amber's, surely the only person left who does have a right to decide what happens to the Fall Maiden's power is the guy who originated the power that Amber and Cinder were fighting over?
The one thing that does interest me about this situation, if Ozpin really is the old wizard who gave his power to the four sisters, is that it appears that he cannot (or will not) recall the power back to himself. There is a precedence for this kind of thing. In The Belgariad novels, no sorcerer, and not even a god, can ever unmake something, even if they're the ones who made it. So, it's entirely possible that the old wizard cannot recall his powers once they've been given to others.
edited 3rd Mar '16 3:58:02 PM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
The reason I said is because there is a thin parallel between Cinder and Phyrra, both belive in destiny, for Phyrra was to face the biggest threat without fear and for Cinder is to be a Maiden and to have that power, aparenly something about Destiny let Cinder with a bitter taste.
Also aside of "last person who thoguth" there isn any rule so everycome can have that power, Cinder was just mocking how unprepared she was and the fact she was just a victim of Ozpin fool plans.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"That IS the rule though. Cinder just broke it and using Salem's help stole the power that was rightfully Amber's who wasn't in any danger of dying anytime soon, and then to whoever Amber thought of which certainly wasn't going to be Cinder.
It wasn't Cinder's right to ambush Amber with two other goons and steal her power through a grim trick she got from Cinder. She's might have deluded herself into thinking it was, but all that does it make her look even worse and got her was an ass kicking from someone with powers they actually were destined to have, as if Destiny itself didn't approve of her saying that.
Considering they said other have stole the maiden power is clear there isnt any rule except "if they see and think of you, is your power" Cinder killing Amber is horrible in their own right but she earned fair and square, also by your logic Ozpin isnt any better since the power still reisde with Amber and instead he use a machine to pass the power to another young woman in arbitrary manner.
it seen Cinder and Ozpin are change vs stability, if Roman speech means something, she wants to bring a new world while Ozpin is dead set in ancient ways that confuse others, is clear RWBY and JRN are trap between this two ways, let see how story is going to tell that.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"To be fair with regards to the transfer, Amber was vulnerable and it was mentioned that if she died her remaining Maiden power would either
- rejoin with the other half aka Cinder
- go to the last woman she thought of, aka Cinder most likely
- go to someone random, and thus out of the Ozluminati's reach or ability to protect
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Put that way it reminds me of Gilgamesh.
Who, hey, also is a colossal dick. You could argue that his view of humanity or the world is due to how things were back when he was around as a mortal coil. Cinder has no such excuse; she mingles with the contemporary, uses the contemporary to further her goals.
Because what point is to a revolution that no one will survive to tell about?
I don't think Ruby's ever been delusional about the fact she lives in a dark world. She just doesn't dwell on it.
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well...we dont know her point yet, dosent it? also Ozpin would be most close to gilgamesh because his blind trust in ancient ways.
she see the dark but as outside thing: something to fight and win, not as thing that cheat,decive and trick is way to win, also she still think it can be the hero remanet need, but as Torchwick explain while smackiing her with old and good ultraviolence "the world is clod place that dosent care about spirit"
I'm pretty sure everybody who was there is realising they're in a very dark world, because nobody aside from Oz's crew was aware there was an actual enemy group with traitor humans actively trying to destablise the world and let the Grimm prey upon civilians.
Until then it was just the Grim, who were like natural disasters more than anything in that yes they are bad, but they can't really be helped and there are professionals to save people from them an mitigate the damage and humanity was all one big happy family. Now they realize it's not like that at all.
I'm starting to think that Salem and Co. might be Social Darwinists. Unleash Grimm upon the kingdoms, whoever is left standing is fit to inherit the new world.

@Joke: I think I got it. -rips and tears Revenants-
@Morality: It's gonna be Black and Grey. Salem & CO have already proven to lack remorse or justify their actions with some sort of greater good. Salem goes specifically to monologue about how she wishes to torch everything Ozpin worked for.
Granted, Ozpin is made up to be a shady character in his own right, if well-meaning. He probably has a lot of sins on his back and is working hard to fix or at least contain whatever he unleashed by his past mistakes.
I can see Ruby - seeing as she's the shining beacon - heh - of white morality around to object to Ozpin's plan - once we know what it is - and try to come up with a solution of her own, with or without help of others. Jury is out on whether she'd crash and burn or succeed.