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ChainedPrometheus Since: Jan, 2016
#29201: Feb 22nd 2016 at 9:36:37 AM

Raven's not a villain. She's an awful parent and a jerk, sure, but not a villain. I'd wager her morality is Chaotic Neutral at worst. Granted that still might result in there being a wedge between Yang and the rest of Team RWBY for a little while, but after really thinking it over, I don't see Yang pulling a Face-Heel Turn like some people here are suggesting. Vigilante-mode, maybe, but not straight-up baddie.

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#29202: Feb 22nd 2016 at 9:37:35 AM

[up]We don't know that though. All we know is that "she has her own way of looking at things" and that she was totally ready to cut a bitch for Yang.. but only once.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#29203: Feb 22nd 2016 at 9:37:53 AM

[up][up] We don't know that, and honestly, Cinder, Raven, and Salem being a villainous trio would make for a nice parallel to the Hecate Sisters, and this show just can't resist appropriating mythological, historical, and legendary motifs.

@Phil: Come on, it's not that edgy; at worst, it's par for the precedent that's been set by volume 3 in terms of how dark things will get.

edited 22nd Feb '16 9:40:18 AM by CaptainCapsase

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#29204: Feb 22nd 2016 at 9:40:52 AM

I will turn "Asshole mode" on and say that of team SSNS, Sage will die first (Take a guess)

Wouldn't be creepy if Ciel also ends up being revealed to be a robot too? But she doesn't have a soul/semblance like penny does and her creator is a different person or maybe a colleague of Dr. Pollendina.

Actually, fuck RNJR, i want to see Weiss and how Atlas really is.

@Yang I will sick with my theory that she will become a Lone Wolf, not a villain

edited 22nd Feb '16 9:43:43 AM by fasoman1996

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#29205: Feb 22nd 2016 at 9:42:15 AM

[up] There'll be plenty of time for that after Vaccuo falls as well; there's a reason my writeup of volumes 4-6 was mostly set in Mistral when 1-3 were set in Vale. tongue

edited 22nd Feb '16 9:43:09 AM by CaptainCapsase

ChainedPrometheus Since: Jan, 2016
#29206: Feb 22nd 2016 at 9:42:59 AM

The issue there is that if Raven was truly a villain, I don't think she'd still be in touch with Qrow. Not only that, but I don't think Qrow would have even bothered to offer Yang an opportunity in going to find Raven if she was evil. She clearly has a very different set of morals than anyone involved in the Ozluminati or the Beacon students, as per Qrow's words to Yang, but I'm skeptical that she is in fact 'evil.' It wouldn't surprise me if Raven had connections or previous ties to some of the villains, like say Adam, though.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#29207: Feb 22nd 2016 at 9:44:00 AM

[up] That's assuming Qrow knows she's working for the enemy rather than pursuing her own agenda.

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#29208: Feb 22nd 2016 at 9:45:57 AM

[up][up]and that also assumes that she wouldn't stay in contact with Qrow even if she were a villain. she very well could be a villain who still keeps in contact with her past allies, or at the very least qrow.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
ChainedPrometheus Since: Jan, 2016
#29209: Feb 22nd 2016 at 9:46:10 AM

[up][up] Potentially, but I think Raven would have avoided Qrow like the plague if she had any reason to think that her brother was out in the field trying to investigate Salem's forces. So going out of her way to contact him during all of this comes across as her taking a hugely unnecessary risk on her part if Raven were in fact aligned with Salem.

EDIT: [up] A fair point, and one that I would have been more open to considering had we not been introduced to Salem, who is clearly the Head Honcho of the villains. The sort of contact that you're talking about is exactly what Master Xehanort did in Birth by Sleep and it worked brilliantly; because he was the baddie in charge. I personally think Raven would have an easier time of getting away with this sort of thing if she were in fact the Main Bad. Which she clearly isn't.

edited 22nd Feb '16 9:48:50 AM by ChainedPrometheus

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#29210: Feb 22nd 2016 at 9:46:27 AM

[up][up] Even Evil Has Loved Ones, yeah.

[up] If she came in the guise of offering some one time advice, she could easily misdirect him away from making any crucially important discoveries.

edited 22nd Feb '16 9:47:18 AM by CaptainCapsase

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#29211: Feb 22nd 2016 at 9:49:21 AM

I think we could see the Ozluminati as this:

They were originally four apprentices of Ozpin that he personally choose. Those would be Iroonwood, Glynda, Qrow and Raven. Ozpin maybe taught them a few of his tactics and techniques and when the time was right introduced them to the hidden things that the people of Remnant don't know, like the maidens or the silver eyed warriors.

People have said that the Brawnen twins paralled a pair of Crows the original Oz had in his tale, but i don't remember quite well. Maybe Raven is actually on the good side but she has come to think that ozpin's approach isn't the correct one and she bailed out into try to do something else. (And in the meantime leaving a daughter behind)

That would mean while Qrow is the sibling that is the closest to Ozpin, Raven is the rebellous one who wants to try doing good in her own way, even if it's not considered a correct approach (that's why his brother doesn't like her particular view on the world)

edited 22nd Feb '16 9:51:09 AM by fasoman1996

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ChainedPrometheus Since: Jan, 2016
#29212: Feb 22nd 2016 at 9:51:10 AM

I'm with fasoman on this one: Raven's probably a Lone Wolf and has her own idiosyncratic way of looking at the threat from Salem and her forces.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#29213: Feb 22nd 2016 at 9:54:30 AM

[up][up] Actually, the pair of blackbirds is theorized to parallel the blackbirds of Odin, not the Wizard of Oz.

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#29214: Feb 22nd 2016 at 10:00:07 AM

Yeah at most Yang will attempt to kill mercury in cold blood before being stopped by Blake and/or Ruby.

edited 22nd Feb '16 10:02:34 AM by Philcoulson

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#29215: Feb 22nd 2016 at 10:05:10 AM

[up] Eh, I wouldn't rule out some truly dark things happening; we're only a quarter or so of the way through the overall plot, and while I suppose this could be the Belly of the Whale, I don't think we've reached the Darkest Hour yet, particularly given the amount of story remaining.

edited 22nd Feb '16 10:08:55 AM by CaptainCapsase

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#29216: Feb 22nd 2016 at 10:05:49 AM

Is thing Mercury fires from his boots simply ammo or is it part of his Semblance?

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#29217: Feb 22nd 2016 at 10:08:58 AM

Mercury's weapon fires bullets, his legs can fire air blasts.

As of right now, we don't know Merc's Semblance

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#29218: Feb 22nd 2016 at 10:12:54 AM

Watch as Mercury has an even more broken semblance than Emerald's. It will make my day.

Maybe related to his stamina? His legs are metalic so i wouldn't consider that his semblance

edited 22nd Feb '16 10:13:08 AM by fasoman1996

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#29219: Feb 22nd 2016 at 10:15:25 AM

wild mass guesshis semblance was the ability to jump really far until his legs got too damagedwild mass guess

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#29220: Feb 22nd 2016 at 10:17:30 AM

[up][up]wild mass guessyang will fight mercury, almost beat him.....and THEM he will reveal his semblence, thrashing yang and probably tacking her leg so she can look like Elricwild mass guess

Also wild mass guessmercury used his semblence to kill his dadwild mass guess

edited 22nd Feb '16 10:18:36 AM by unknowing

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MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#29221: Feb 22nd 2016 at 10:19:48 AM

How many characters do we not know semblances for?

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#29222: Feb 22nd 2016 at 10:20:59 AM

[up]All of Team SSSN aside from Sun, Team CFVY, Roman, Ozpin, Mercury, Ren, Jaune, Ironwood, Taiyang, Raven, Port, Oobleck, Team CRDL, Junior, The Twins, and all of the Vytal teams aside from Flynt Coal

edited 22nd Feb '16 10:22:31 AM by BlackSunNocturne

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#29223: Feb 22nd 2016 at 10:21:01 AM

Jaune's (we saw it, we don't know how it works), Ren's, Neptune's, Ozpin's, probably Qrow's and Mercury's.

Maybe Qrow's is his transformation but maybe he could have a secondary ability too.

wild mass guess Qrow is revealed to be a druid wild mass guess

[down] That was her weapon.

edited 22nd Feb '16 10:22:36 AM by fasoman1996

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#29224: Feb 22nd 2016 at 10:21:59 AM

Jaune, Ren, all of CFVY except for Velvet.

[nja]'d to extreme.

edited 22nd Feb '16 10:22:21 AM by EpicBleye

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#29225: Feb 22nd 2016 at 10:30:17 AM

Snowbirds will become best ship in volume 4

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