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AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#28551: Feb 18th 2016 at 5:37:20 PM

I don't think Ozpin and co were even aware there was an evil conspiricy, or at least that their plan was to unleash Grimm on the city and discredit the hunters.

They knew something was going down but because the White Fang and Torchwick's group were used front and center as a smoke screen they assumed it was crime and terrorism. And that someone had attacked one of the maidens. That's about it.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#28553: Feb 18th 2016 at 5:49:00 PM

[up][up] There's also the fact that after months of prep-work, Cinders plan was executed over the span of like 6 hours. Seriously, the last 6 episodes of the season cover a single evening.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#28554: Feb 18th 2016 at 5:49:41 PM

They could have checked the computer systems and found nothing, especially if there's a magical element to the virus (which won't surprise me).

Ozpin's problem appears to be that he's fully aware that Salem's route to victory relies on destroying hope and team-work. That's why he's appeared so passive, and so hung up on how people are feeling about every move the Brotherhood makes. He's trying to move slowly and quietly to retain positivity for as long as possible.

Salem's song does basically state that her entire goal seems to be the complete destruction of both Ozpin's ability to feel hope and his ability to inspire hope in others. She certainly seems to view his ability to inspire hope in others as evil and a cause of needless death (because he shouldn't be inspiring that hope in the first place).

There's something else, too: if Ozpin really is the old wizard, that means he's been alive for thousands of years (and it was already hundreds of years by the time the Maiden story occurred). He may have been looking at the big picture - the long term - for so long that he might actually not be as capable of acting swiftly in the short-term as shorter-lived (normal lifespan) humans.

It would be an interesting thing if Ozpin's great age is a big weakness - not physically, but mentally instead.

edited 18th Feb '16 5:52:28 PM by Wyldchyld

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#28555: Feb 18th 2016 at 5:52:27 PM

[up]Living for a long time does screw with people's perceptions of time, so it does make sense.

That makes me think of Dragons in Dungeons & Dragons. They have a habit of viewing things that happen in a couple years to be "incredibly fast".

Seeing as how in basic D&D they can live for upwards of 1,200 years.... yeah.

There's a quote that describes it somewhere...

Edit: Aha, found it:

"A good answer today is better than the perfect answer tomorrow."
—Human aphorism

"What's your hurry?"
—Common dragon response to the aforementioned aphorism

edited 18th Feb '16 5:55:39 PM by BlackSunNocturne

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#28556: Feb 18th 2016 at 5:53:13 PM

And if he is a time-manipulator, his perception of time could be entirely alien to everyone else's anyway.

... I'm still waiting for the reveal that Ozpin accidentally created the Grimm. tongue

edited 18th Feb '16 5:54:20 PM by Wyldchyld

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#28557: Feb 18th 2016 at 5:54:53 PM

@Wyldchyld: If my theory that Ozpin is responsible for Salem being the way she is (whatever that might be), than shame over one of his greatest mistakes coming back to haunt him could also be part of it.

edited 18th Feb '16 5:56:20 PM by CaptainCapsase

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#28558: Feb 18th 2016 at 6:03:47 PM

I've been working from the basis that Salem is one of Ozpin's greatest mistakes as well (I've been viewing him giving the magic to the four sisters as something he classifies as a mistake or curse).

If he caused her hatred of him and humanity, and if she's the "mother" of the Grimm, then not only is Ozpin responsible for her, but he's also responsible for the Grimm (and why they appear to target humans and be attracted by negativity).

edited 18th Feb '16 6:05:03 PM by Wyldchyld

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WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#28559: Feb 18th 2016 at 6:04:05 PM

We should stop blaming Blake for everything that goes wrong. We should blame Ozpin.

wild mass guessMaiden power sought out a new host, accidentally corrupted her. The Wizard (Ozpin) tried to fix things, but accidentally blew up the moon and created Grimm.wild mass guess

edited 18th Feb '16 6:06:25 PM by WillDeRegio

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#28560: Feb 18th 2016 at 6:05:40 PM

Absolutely.

He did say he's made more mistakes than any man, woman or child alive, so that's practically a confession from his own lips!

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#28561: Feb 18th 2016 at 6:05:48 PM

[up][up] Based on the lyrics of virtually every song in the OST (and [up]), that's probably fairly accurate.

edited 18th Feb '16 6:06:09 PM by CaptainCapsase

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#28562: Feb 18th 2016 at 6:06:01 PM

[up][up][up] No. everyone knows that everything is Ruby's fault

edited 18th Feb '16 6:06:17 PM by MorningStar1337

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#28563: Feb 18th 2016 at 6:06:13 PM

[up][up]Yes. Note my lack of joke/humour potholing. tongue

edited 18th Feb '16 6:06:30 PM by Wyldchyld

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#28564: Feb 18th 2016 at 6:09:18 PM

Or his comment about his making "more mistakes any man, woman or child" was Heroic Self-Deprecation and saying that, as smart as he is, he still makes mistakes.

edited 18th Feb '16 6:09:49 PM by BlackSunNocturne

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#28565: Feb 18th 2016 at 6:10:05 PM

[up][up] Personally, I still hold by my theory that Ozpin and the maidens stole the power of the seasons from some sort of cosmic entity (like idk, maybe an expy of the titan Gaia?), a feat which involved almost literally carving up its soul, earning the entity's eternal hatred for humankind, which created the Grimm as punishment.

I'm not sure how Salem fits into it, especially if she's actually the original Winter Maiden rather than say, an avatar of the planet.

edited 18th Feb '16 6:13:42 PM by CaptainCapsase

AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#28566: Feb 18th 2016 at 6:11:03 PM

Ruby's pretty much the only one faultless at this point. Aside from maybe overestimating her own abilties in the last few episodes.

WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#28567: Feb 18th 2016 at 6:13:33 PM

In all sincerity, there has to be a plot point or backstory involving that broken moon. Everyone is just accustomed to the fact the moon is like that, so nobody comments on it, but I'm sure Qrow or some one will bring up the Legend of the Moon Princess or something.

wild mass guessSalem was imprisoned on the moon long ago by the Wizard/Ozpin, then she escaped and disappeared from history. Her escape fractured the moon or someone shot the moon to break her out.wild mass guess

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#28568: Feb 18th 2016 at 6:14:48 PM

[up] The moon is associated with the color silver...Ruby's powers come from the moon, which, along with all celestial bodies in Remnant, is in fact the representation of an incomprehensibly powerful cosmic entity.

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#28569: Feb 18th 2016 at 6:15:34 PM

Nah, the moon's just like that because it looks cool.

I mean, Remnant's not irreparably fucked up by having a broken moon, seeing as how life exists on it, so it's likely that the moon's always been like that.

[down]Again: Rule of Cool. Not everything has to mean something. Christ, are you all English teachers? [lol]

edited 18th Feb '16 6:20:34 PM by BlackSunNocturne

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#28570: Feb 18th 2016 at 6:17:20 PM

[up] Unless magic is involved (I'm assuming it is), the Moon should've returned to a mostly spherical shape after a while, and the debris should've either been ejected into orbit of remnant, fallen down to the surface, or become an orbiting ring.

WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#28571: Feb 18th 2016 at 6:22:07 PM

[up]wild mass guessThe moon has an Aura that keeps the pieces where they are.wild mass guess

wild mass guessDust originated from the moon.wild mass guess

Also, there is a character named Yue in the 40 list.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#28573: Feb 18th 2016 at 6:23:27 PM

[up]There was a screenshot of character folders, one of the names seen was Yue.

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#28574: Feb 18th 2016 at 6:24:24 PM

[up][up]A list of approximately 40 character names not particularly related to the characters already known in-show appeared on Monty's twitter last year.

The RWBY Characters WMG page has a partial list.

Yue is a Chinese female name meaning 悦(happy), or 越(beyond), or 月(moon)

edited 18th Feb '16 6:25:16 PM by BlackSunNocturne

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#28575: Feb 18th 2016 at 6:25:40 PM

[up] I know what the name means, I just didn't know about that list. Interesting.


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