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WaterMasterGali92 Hello again! from Remnant Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#28251: Feb 17th 2016 at 5:52:50 PM

NO! They can't kill anymore heroes! Pyrrha was bad enough!

I won't let them!

You can't get it wrong if it's the truth!
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#28252: Feb 17th 2016 at 5:56:10 PM

[up]x5

I am familiar with the history of the period in question, which is why it doesn't make much sense. It's trying to be clever, but requires revisionist history to work. Hence my dislike.

[up]x3 Rose Knight could work for me.... aww... Knight of the Rose. That could even be cute. Or a pun. tongue

edited 17th Feb '16 5:58:27 PM by Wyldchyld

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WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#28253: Feb 17th 2016 at 5:57:24 PM

At least let them have kids first... Wait, that might make things worse, a group of orphans being the next generation...

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#28254: Feb 17th 2016 at 5:58:21 PM

[up][up] Does it? As I understand it, the association is just House Lancaster = Rose heraldry, held the English throne during part of the 100 year war period, hundred year war period = Jean d'Arc. It's still not common knowledge, so it's a poor choice, but we seem to be stuck with it.

edited 17th Feb '16 5:59:02 PM by CaptainCapsase

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#28255: Feb 17th 2016 at 6:00:43 PM

The House of Lancaster didn't have a rose symbol, but the House of York did (white). When Henry Tudor became king he invented the Tudor Rose (white rose on red rose) to try and symbolise peace, but the House of Lancaster didn't become associated with a red rose until decades after the wars ended. The war itself didn't even become known as the Wars of the Roses until centuries later.

That's why I mentioned revisionist history. tongue

Anyway, it's not the only ship name I dislike, but since I don't normally get involved with shipping, I can ignore it. Mostly.

edited 17th Feb '16 6:02:53 PM by Wyldchyld

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Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#28256: Feb 17th 2016 at 6:02:40 PM

Some time this Summer actually; the whole reason for the year Hiatus was because the creator of the show died and its future was thus uncertain.

But this summer is just about to end! And next summer is just next December.tongue

Seriously, though, I know the last Volume delay was because of Monty's death. But the gap between the first two Volumes was of 8 months, which is what I was basing on when I said October at the earliest. Not to mention the latest season had a longer runtime and was much more technically impressive. I would expect keeping it up would take time. I don't know anything about their animation procedures, though, so it is not like I can tell if a July release would be infeasible or not.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#28257: Feb 17th 2016 at 6:03:11 PM

[up][up] That doesn't sound revisionist as much as it sounds like it's reliant on historiographical terms, ie what the war was called retroactively.

[up] The budget and thus production team for the first two seasons were significantly smaller than the third.

edited 17th Feb '16 6:06:27 PM by CaptainCapsase

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#28258: Feb 17th 2016 at 6:04:21 PM

Volume 3 took place in autumn, and we learned about the Fall Maiden.

Volume 4 looks set to take place in winter, so I'm sure the Winter Maiden will be the focus (especially with Salem's appearance).

I wonder if we'll learn about the rest of the Maidens, or whether we'll have a Maiden reveal associated with each season for the next couple of volumes?

[up]The rose association was revisionist, starting with Henry Tudor (post-victory), who was making deliberate overtures to make sure further wars didn't break out (and solidify his somewhat precarious connection to the throne).

edited 17th Feb '16 6:07:16 PM by Wyldchyld

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WaterMasterGali92 Hello again! from Remnant Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#28259: Feb 17th 2016 at 6:04:28 PM

I just wanna know when the amazing soundtrack will drop. Ya'll KNOW they killed it in that studio!

You can't get it wrong if it's the truth!
Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#28260: Feb 17th 2016 at 6:09:34 PM

As I understand it, the association is just House Lancaster = Rose heraldry, held the English throne during part of the 100 year war period, hundred year war period = Jean d'Arc

That is an incredibly roundabout logic. Why on earth associate Joan d'Arc to English heraldry. I mean, sure, she was fighting the English, but it seems bizarre to associate her to the symbols of her enemies (not to mention a symbol that would only be relevant after she died, anyway).

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#28261: Feb 17th 2016 at 6:10:45 PM

[up][up]I was very impressed with the soundtracks within each episode. The music leading up to the Nevermore landing on the Coliseum particularly stood out to me. I liked the music that played during what little we saw of the Cinder/Ozpin fight, too.

On that note - it looks like both Cinder and Ozpin can see in pitch darkness. So a trait of both faunus and magic, then? Unless we're saying Cinder and Ozpin both have faunus heritage.

edited 17th Feb '16 6:12:24 PM by Wyldchyld

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WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#28262: Feb 17th 2016 at 6:11:09 PM

Hopefully they assign protection to the other three Maidens. That would be bad if they lost a Maiden each volume or three to Salem's forces.

[up]Cinder does use fire...

edited 17th Feb '16 6:12:30 PM by WillDeRegio

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#28263: Feb 17th 2016 at 6:11:38 PM

[up][up] Which is exactly WHY it's a poor name for a ship.

WaterMasterGali92 Hello again! from Remnant Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#28264: Feb 17th 2016 at 6:13:53 PM

That opening was total BS. If they weren't gonna show us the whole fight why show us at all?

They gave us a taste of pure badass fighting between good and evil and then cut us off.

You can't get it wrong if it's the truth!
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#28265: Feb 17th 2016 at 6:14:12 PM

[up][up][up]I'm thinking that Salem is trying to create her own four Maidens... the trouble is, I'm not sure if she wants to keep them around or syphon off their powers to herself once the time is right.

[up]I never expected to see more than a tiny glimpse of that fight. The point was to set up hints of what Ozpin is capable of without giving too much away.

I know a lot of people think Qrow's transformation is his Semblance, but I'm not convinced. I think it's more magic. Given that Qrow and Raven share Ozpin's gears motif (albeit modified with wings, to make it almost seem like winged eyes with a glint), I wonder if the transformation ability is something they were born with or gifted to them (assuming Raven can also transform, which I think she can).

edited 17th Feb '16 6:17:23 PM by Wyldchyld

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#28266: Feb 17th 2016 at 6:16:17 PM

[up] Or perhaps the powers were originally hers? I always had the feeling that we didn't get the full story of the seasons, and the power being stolen from some sort of cosmic entity/deity, the punishment for which was the creation of the Grimm, seems plausible.

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#28267: Feb 17th 2016 at 6:17:56 PM

So, time to fuel the Grimmdark theories:

wild mass guess Actually, all the original Maidens suffered a terrible fate. The winter maiden (Salem) is the sole survivor who wants to avenge her sisters by lashing out the Grimm against the world to get back at Ozpin for dooming them and their successors to being pursued by their powers wild mass guess

Something like a Grey-and-Grey Morality conflict

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tryrar Since: Sep, 2010
#28268: Feb 17th 2016 at 6:20:06 PM

Hey guys, I had a cool idea on what Penny's return might look like.

Imagine as you will, volume 4/5 RNJR has finally found Cinder-but of course they're being pressed hard, with not even Ruby's silver-eyed power being a guaranteed help, and their allies(I'm thinking ABRN and SSSN, since this is Haven) are busy keeping Merc, Emerald, Adam, and the White Fang from interfering. Slowly, they're being pressed back and things are looking bad as Ruby is about to tkae a bad hit from Cinder when all the sudden an ice wall pops up protecting her. Of course, it's Weiss! And she's not alone as cinder is blindsided by a barrage of hits from Yang(sporting her new awesome robot arm with optional taser capability) and Blake. Weiss briefly explains she spent all this time convincing her father to let her go, as well as finding Blake and knocking some sense into Yang, since she wanted to come back to the team with ALL her friends. And S\speaking of friends, with a simple order over her scroll, the scene pans to the sky, where a srtange pod is rocketing towards the location, at which point it bursts apart in mid-air...only to reveal Penny! And she has upgrades in the form of completely revamped swords that are full independent Attack Drones rather than simply wire-controlled, and combine to form a "handheld"(in that she can hold it in her hands, but it would be pretty HUGE) artillery-cannon Wave-Motion Gun. Which is how she breaks her fall BTW, unleashing an assault on Cinder to not only attack her, but also to slow Penny down enough to land. And of course, she'd greet Ruby with a "Salutations, friend!"

TL:DR Penny's entrance would make a Space Marine jealous tongue[lol]

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#28269: Feb 17th 2016 at 6:22:05 PM

[up][up][up]Oh, I'm completely convinced we don't have the full story about the old wizard and Maidens. Have been since the moment we first heard it (first questions I asked: if Maiden powers pass on at death, how did the four sisters die, and when did they miss the annual visit to the wizard... and how did he respond to that).

But from what Salem was saying, she's fixated on how evil hope can be and how evil it can be to nurture hope in someone when that hope is going to be crushed further down the road. She seems determined to destroy humanity just to crush Ozpin's hope.

It's like a revenge tactic, so my thinking is that if she is the Winter Maiden and if Ozpin is the old wizard, then Ozpin granting the four sisters his magic created a soaring hope in the sisters that they could really benefit humanity... except they were met by jealousy and human evil in the form of corrupt humans coveting that power for themselves. In the end, what the wizard had intended as a gift became a curse - one that resulted in horrible fates for the four sisters, and the most horrible one of all for the Winter Maiden.

So, now that she's seen for herself just how crushing the death of hope can be, she's going to make Ozpin experience that. Only once she is certain he has been crushed the way she was, will she allow him to be killed off.

edited 17th Feb '16 6:26:43 PM by Wyldchyld

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#28270: Feb 17th 2016 at 6:22:40 PM

[up][up]Dude, that entrance would make the Princeps of an Imperator Titan fell small in the pants, and he pilots a 400 foot tall walking artillery platform. [lol]

edited 17th Feb '16 6:22:54 PM by BlackSunNocturne

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#28271: Feb 17th 2016 at 6:24:39 PM

[up][up][up] A space marine wouldn't be jealous, they'd want to purge her on account of artificial intelligence being among the most profane forms of techno-heresy. The next order of business would be pacifying the local human population, putting the dirty abhumans in their place, rounding up all the loose psykers for sanctioning, and enforcing the universal creed of the God Emperor upon the locals.

Then, depending on which of the many political factions in the Imperium got their way, they might get around to exterminating the hostile xenos wildlife to make way for colonists, or they might just leave it as is and designate it as a death world and Imperial Guard recruiting world. tongue

[up][up] If I had to guess, Salem's agenda might be something along the lines of The Evils of Free Will.

edited 17th Feb '16 6:29:48 PM by CaptainCapsase

WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#28272: Feb 17th 2016 at 6:31:35 PM

Salem seems like a Straw Nihilist to me. Spent way too much time reading Nietzsche.

Philcoulson I do not think of myself as a king I think of my from From shadows Since: May, 2015 Relationship Status: Abstaining
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#28273: Feb 17th 2016 at 6:33:20 PM

Dark maidens Fall= Cinder 1st summer= Pyrrah 2nd summer=????? Winter=????? Spring=?????

All I see I conquer
WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#28274: Feb 17th 2016 at 6:35:01 PM

[up]Pyrrha was never Summer Maiden. And I hope the don't send out Dark Pyrrha as the latest in Salem's devious plots.

edited 17th Feb '16 6:36:52 PM by WillDeRegio

AJSthe2nd Since: Jan, 2015
#28275: Feb 17th 2016 at 6:35:16 PM

I really think Pyyrha was it for major losses.

It's like Firefly. They killed off a major character to make the audience nervous and think everyone else's plot armor was as good as gone and every time a MC was in danger in the finale everyone winced....but in the end they all made it out fine and only that one loss was it. (Maybe two if you count an earlier loss)


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