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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#26876: Feb 14th 2016 at 12:16:33 PM

Ok, because I want to put this video here in honor of Phyrra niktos:

edited 14th Feb '16 12:19:19 PM by unknowing

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Wilahelm02 Since: Aug, 2010
#26877: Feb 14th 2016 at 12:24:30 PM

While Ruby's power was a major surprise it didn't really change anything. Beacon still fell, many are dead or maimed, others have scattered, Vale is a wreck, the maiden power has been lost, and the dark forces are still out there plotting. The only thing Ruby did was stop things from getting worse.

As for Cinder, I wouldn't call her a villain sue just yet. She won a major victory and has the heroes on the ropes but she was able to do that thanks to an advantage she no longer has, the element of surprise. History is full of examples of small forces bringing down opponents three, four, even five times there size by ruthlessly exploiting the element of surprise.

Cinder is no different. The good guys knew almost nothing about her. This left them vulnerable to being taken off guard. Also remember that the last five episodes take place over single night. That's not a lot of time to respond. Still this is an advantage the bad guys no longer have. Everyone knows who they are and will have their guard up.

Bringing an opponent to their knees by taking them by surprise is easy compared to doing it when they know your coming and have their guard up.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#26878: Feb 14th 2016 at 12:28:50 PM

[up] Well, part of the issue people have is that a huge amount of Cinder's plan was able to succeed not on her own brilliance but upon the incompetence of the heroes. I'm theorizing that Cinder has an insider higher up inside of Ironwood's command chain (no, not Winter) who assured him the situation with the break in was all-clear, and that she and her associates bribed a registrar official back at Haven, because there's no other way she should have been able to do what she did without being caught.

UndyingPhoenix Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#26879: Feb 14th 2016 at 12:31:42 PM

The only people who know who they are number in the single digits between 2-3. Ruby, Jaune and possibly Ozpin. They're the only ones who saw Cinder.

edited 14th Feb '16 12:32:25 PM by UndyingPhoenix

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#26880: Feb 14th 2016 at 12:35:45 PM

[up] And two people is more than enough to start spreading the word: this person is not to be trusted. Cinder's cover as a Haven student should unravel very, very quickly once it comes under scrutiny if my theory about an underpaid bureaucrat at the registrar being bribed is correct, and while you only have RNJR's word that she's responsible, this is a situation where the paranoia Cinder has instilled in the populace would work against her.

Plus, she didn't disguise her voice at all, and that broadcast was seen by millions. The moment she opens her mouth, somebody is going to recognize her voice, which is grounds for major suspicion.

Also, Qrow clearly knows who Cinder is at this point; Ruby mentioned her name, and given he didn't question her about Cinder, so he clearly knows everything he needs, so we can presume the entire Brotherhood knows about her, and probably all of Vale if they start putting up wanted posters.

edited 14th Feb '16 12:38:03 PM by CaptainCapsase

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#26881: Feb 14th 2016 at 12:36:46 PM

[up][up] People that saw evil cinder and aren't dead or missing are Ruby, Jaune and Qrow (He saw her, might not remember her quite well tho) so she is still basically unseen by the heroes.

For the look of it, Grimmwing didn't look that much frozen with ice. Maybe Ruby can freeze time? I don't know.

The only satisfaction i got was seeing Cinder's smug smile dissapear when Ruby went all super. We'll see if it sticks

edited 14th Feb '16 12:37:09 PM by fasoman1996

Uni cat
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#26882: Feb 14th 2016 at 12:38:00 PM

claim to be offical at Heaven is not a hard thing to do, there is plenty of students, there are easy to dissmiss, about Ironwood....well that was part of the plan, to force a full movilization of Atlas forces to hijack.

Also what she did in this season?

-Enter Vytal festival

-nerf coco and yat

-Frame Yang

-Destroy Penny and broadcast everything

-Atack with Whit fang/Atlas soldiers/Grim

-Take Maiden power

-Whatever she plan to do with the tower.

the first one is easy, the second one wasnt need it, Frame yang was more dificult to pull of and Penny was add she dosent need it, the rest is her ACTUALL plan in which everyone was unprepared.

What I meant the only reason Cinder wins is because so far the good guys knows jack shit about what to do or the enemy, there are not even aware, and I want to see how much Ruby actually knows

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
UndyingPhoenix Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#26883: Feb 14th 2016 at 12:39:44 PM

I think Emerald may have been blurring their faces in their fight against Qrow. He would've recognized them from the tournament otherwise.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#26884: Feb 14th 2016 at 12:42:41 PM

[up] He barely saw in the battle field and was years ago, maybe he knows now after Ruby tell him mercury was responsable but it dosent matter.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#26885: Feb 14th 2016 at 12:42:47 PM

Cinder's cover as a Haven student should unravel very, very quickly once it comes under scrutiny if my theory about an underpaid bureaucrat at the registrar being bribed is correct, and while you only have RNJR's word that she's responsible, this is a situation where the paranoia Cinder has instilled in the populace would work against her.

Except for the the fact that there is proof in video form showing Altas robots attacking civilians in the grimm attack.That plus the thing with Penny being a Robot and Prryha (Ozpin student ) destroying her.

It would be more likely to Haven that they're just making stuff up to protect their missing headmaster.

edited 14th Feb '16 12:43:51 PM by DeanCole

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#26886: Feb 14th 2016 at 12:45:52 PM

[up] None of them are from Atlas though.

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#26887: Feb 14th 2016 at 12:46:52 PM

To your doubtlessly crushing disappointment, I'm not doing live reactions because I wanna see it in one go. This is gonna be gooooood.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#26888: Feb 14th 2016 at 12:46:58 PM

So, is Cinder deserving of a Base Breaker entry? I think this forum is really torn apart by her, at least by the looks of it

Uni cat
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#26889: Feb 14th 2016 at 12:47:54 PM

Pretty much Cinder torn apar this fandom as she did to pennyevil grin

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#26890: Feb 14th 2016 at 12:48:59 PM

[up][up]Uhh... YES? [lol]

Seriously, all of my friends whom I've spoken to are split on if she's a good villain, or if she's well... a Villain Sue (I'm in the latter category)

[up]Terrible, but a good analogy

edited 14th Feb '16 12:50:05 PM by BlackSunNocturne

DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#26891: Feb 14th 2016 at 12:49:53 PM

None of them are from Atlas though.

My point was Its easier to believe that Ironwood and Ozpin were fighting it out behind the scenes and it got out of hand than a group of Havens student caused everything for shits and giggles

edited 14th Feb '16 12:52:01 PM by DeanCole

UndyingPhoenix Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#26892: Feb 14th 2016 at 12:50:33 PM

And I really want tear her apart. But that'll probably end up helping her too.

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#26893: Feb 14th 2016 at 12:52:04 PM

Hence my "Cinder is what'd happen if Tzeentch wasn't actively screwing himself over in his plans".

edited 14th Feb '16 12:52:40 PM by BlackSunNocturne

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
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#26894: Feb 14th 2016 at 12:52:14 PM

Yeah Cinder seems to be a Base Breaker to a lot of people.

Just Makima.
fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#26895: Feb 14th 2016 at 12:53:13 PM

Good, I'm not writing it [lol]. I'm in the camp of "She is a Villain Sue" and i'm not impartial enough with someone that destroyed the only good het ship. So good luck Cinder cool

[up][up] At least he has a decency to have flaws

[up] And you wanted to write a pantheon profile for her. Do you still think on doing it? [lol][lol][lol][lol]

edited 14th Feb '16 12:54:28 PM by fasoman1996

Uni cat
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#26896: Feb 14th 2016 at 12:53:47 PM

[up][up][up] As I've said before, if Cinder continues to succeed without any contest, she's a clear Villain Sue. At this point, she's won round one almost flawlessly, and shown our heroes just how unprepared they were for this eventuality.

I do not expect her success will continue into the future; not everything will go her way.

edited 14th Feb '16 12:54:00 PM by CaptainCapsase

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
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#26897: Feb 14th 2016 at 12:58:43 PM

[up][up] Yes because well Roman is not much of a villain anymore now is he. grin

Just Makima.
Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#26898: Feb 14th 2016 at 1:00:05 PM

I lied. MOTHERFUCKER THEY KILLED PYRRHA FUCK NOOO

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#26899: Feb 14th 2016 at 1:00:43 PM

[up][up][up][up]Seriously, Tzeentch has the problem of if any of his plans succeed, he dies. So he makes sure none of them do. And none have, in the untold millions or billions of years of his existence. Just as planned.

edited 14th Feb '16 1:01:39 PM by BlackSunNocturne

FrozenWolf2 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#26900: Feb 14th 2016 at 1:01:17 PM

[up][up] I got ya covered

___

Its classic story telling the villains shows up, wrecks ****, destroys the status Quo... and then the heroes recover and Rise above it.

I feel like a bunch of you are soo use to cliff note story telling, or only knowing the highlights of something... Its like you guys can't take NOT having a fast forward button

edited 14th Feb '16 1:03:50 PM by FrozenWolf2

Praise be to the absolute Queen

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