While Ruby's power was a major surprise it didn't really change anything. Beacon still fell, many are dead or maimed, others have scattered, Vale is a wreck, the maiden power has been lost, and the dark forces are still out there plotting. The only thing Ruby did was stop things from getting worse.
As for Cinder, I wouldn't call her a villain sue just yet. She won a major victory and has the heroes on the ropes but she was able to do that thanks to an advantage she no longer has, the element of surprise. History is full of examples of small forces bringing down opponents three, four, even five times there size by ruthlessly exploiting the element of surprise.
Cinder is no different. The good guys knew almost nothing about her. This left them vulnerable to being taken off guard. Also remember that the last five episodes take place over single night. That's not a lot of time to respond. Still this is an advantage the bad guys no longer have. Everyone knows who they are and will have their guard up.
Bringing an opponent to their knees by taking them by surprise is easy compared to doing it when they know your coming and have their guard up.
Well, part of the issue people have is that a huge amount of Cinder's plan was able to succeed not on her own brilliance but upon the incompetence of the heroes. I'm theorizing that Cinder has an insider higher up inside of Ironwood's command chain (no, not Winter) who assured him the situation with the break in was all-clear, and that she and her associates bribed a registrar official back at Haven, because there's no other way she should have been able to do what she did without being caught.
And two people is more than enough to start spreading the word: this person is not to be trusted. Cinder's cover as a Haven student should unravel very, very quickly once it comes under scrutiny if my theory about an underpaid bureaucrat at the registrar being bribed is correct, and while you only have RNJR's word that she's responsible, this is a situation where the paranoia Cinder has instilled in the populace would work against her.
Plus, she didn't disguise her voice at all, and that broadcast was seen by millions. The moment she opens her mouth, somebody is going to recognize her voice, which is grounds for major suspicion.
Also, Qrow clearly knows who Cinder is at this point; Ruby mentioned her name, and given he didn't question her about Cinder, so he clearly knows everything he needs, so we can presume the entire Brotherhood knows about her, and probably all of Vale if they start putting up wanted posters.
edited 14th Feb '16 12:38:03 PM by CaptainCapsase
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People that saw evil cinder and aren't dead or missing are Ruby, Jaune and Qrow (He saw her, might not remember her quite well tho) so she is still basically unseen by the heroes.
For the look of it, Grimmwing didn't look that much frozen with ice. Maybe Ruby can freeze time? I don't know.
The only satisfaction i got was seeing Cinder's smug smile dissapear when Ruby went all super. We'll see if it sticks
edited 14th Feb '16 12:37:09 PM by fasoman1996
Uni catclaim to be offical at Heaven is not a hard thing to do, there is plenty of students, there are easy to dissmiss, about Ironwood....well that was part of the plan, to force a full movilization of Atlas forces to hijack.
Also what she did in this season?
-Enter Vytal festival
-nerf coco and yat
-Frame Yang
-Destroy Penny and broadcast everything
-Atack with Whit fang/Atlas soldiers/Grim
-Take Maiden power
-Whatever she plan to do with the tower.
the first one is easy, the second one wasnt need it, Frame yang was more dificult to pull of and Penny was add she dosent need it, the rest is her ACTUALL plan in which everyone was unprepared.
What I meant the only reason Cinder wins is because so far the good guys knows jack shit about what to do or the enemy, there are not even aware, and I want to see how much Ruby actually knows
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Except for the the fact that there is proof in video form showing Altas robots attacking civilians in the grimm attack.That plus the thing with Penny being a Robot and Prryha (Ozpin student ) destroying her.
It would be more likely to Haven that they're just making stuff up to protect their missing headmaster.
edited 14th Feb '16 12:43:51 PM by DeanCole
So, is Cinder deserving of a Base Breaker entry? I think this forum is really torn apart by her, at least by the looks of it
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Uhh... YES?
Seriously, all of my friends whom I've spoken to are split on if she's a good villain, or if she's well... a Villain Sue (I'm in the latter category)
Terrible, but a good analogy
edited 14th Feb '16 12:50:05 PM by BlackSunNocturne
Good, I'm not writing it
. I'm in the camp of "She is a Villain Sue" and i'm not impartial enough with someone that destroyed the only good het ship. So good luck Cinder
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At least he has a decency to have flaws
And you wanted to write a pantheon profile for her. Do you still think on doing it? ![]()
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edited 14th Feb '16 12:54:28 PM by fasoman1996
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As I've said before, if Cinder continues to succeed without any contest, she's a clear Villain Sue. At this point, she's won round one almost flawlessly, and shown our heroes just how unprepared they were for this eventuality.
I do not expect her success will continue into the future; not everything will go her way.
edited 14th Feb '16 12:54:00 PM by CaptainCapsase
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Seriously, Tzeentch has the problem of if any of his plans succeed, he dies. So he makes sure none of them do. And none have, in the untold millions or billions of years of his existence. Just as planned.
edited 14th Feb '16 1:01:39 PM by BlackSunNocturne
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I got ya covered
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Its classic story telling the villains shows up, wrecks ****, destroys the status Quo... and then the heroes recover and Rise above it.
I feel like a bunch of you are soo use to cliff note story telling, or only knowing the highlights of something... Its like you guys can't take NOT having a fast forward button
edited 14th Feb '16 1:03:50 PM by FrozenWolf2
Praise be to the absolute Queen

Ok, because I want to put this video here in honor of Phyrra niktos:
edited 14th Feb '16 12:19:19 PM by unknowing
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"