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SomeNewGuy Since: Jun, 2009
#26826: Feb 14th 2016 at 11:19:51 AM

I still can't believe Miles and Kerry teased us for three seasons about all the character development and growth arcs Penny and Pyyrha would get, only to throw it all away just to make Cinder look "cool", AGAIN.

Seriously, how can anyone not consider her a Creator's Pet at this point?

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#26827: Feb 14th 2016 at 11:21:21 AM

I think we can stop with spoilers now.

Creator's Pet has specific criteria that Cinder fails to meet.

UndyingPhoenix Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#26828: Feb 14th 2016 at 11:21:46 AM

Oh great. The Deus Ex Machina actually helps Cinder as well? Can someone please tell me what Cinder can be stopped by? Seems like a big load of nothing.

edited 14th Feb '16 11:22:34 AM by UndyingPhoenix

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#26829: Feb 14th 2016 at 11:22:16 AM

I don't. I think they made her out to be a competent and threatening villain, and they threw everyone a curve ball in what they said.

[up]uh, no it doesn't. At all.

edited 14th Feb '16 11:22:55 AM by EpicBleye

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#26830: Feb 14th 2016 at 11:23:27 AM

Changing the subject: D'aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaww

But seriously, I think Cinder is now the biggest Base Breaker in RWBY. Like, holy shit

edited 14th Feb '16 11:27:59 AM by BlackSunNocturne

UndyingPhoenix Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#26831: Feb 14th 2016 at 11:26:32 AM

The frozen Dragon is still attracting Grimm to Vale. How does that not help Cinder?

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#26832: Feb 14th 2016 at 11:27:58 AM

Because it seems like she was after the dragon?

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#26833: Feb 14th 2016 at 11:29:50 AM

Because it stopped any future conquests (like to Vale) in its tracks?

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#26834: Feb 14th 2016 at 11:30:28 AM

Then again, she did say "This is your home now" to the Dragon, meaning that she wanted it to stay in Vale. So while Ruby helped tone down the problem since I doubt the Dragon can create more Grimm, they are still going to be a problem with it hanging around.

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UndyingPhoenix Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#26835: Feb 14th 2016 at 11:31:02 AM

Even if she was after the dragon, she still seemed intent on destroying the place. Vale was lucky because of the Huntsmen stopping them at Beacon.

If you follow the theory that the train breach was supposed to take place at the same time as the invasion, then it's clear she wanted to cause as much destruction as possible. And thanks to the dragon staying there, there will always be a threat to Vale.

edited 14th Feb '16 11:34:30 AM by UndyingPhoenix

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#26836: Feb 14th 2016 at 11:32:14 AM

So Cinder needed Grimmwing to defeat Pyrrha? Please, she was already going toe-to-toe with her AND supposedly defeated OZPIN offscreen. Do i smeel a Villain Sue?

The fact that they had to bring up a mysterious power for Ruby (Granted, it was foreshadowed but still) to "defeat her" certainly doesn't help.

So, i am the only one dissapointed in Grimmwing? It basically did nothing important besides spawn Grimm and Help Cinder in one occation.

AND WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE OTHER TWO ASSHOLES?!

edited 14th Feb '16 11:32:33 AM by fasoman1996

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DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#26837: Feb 14th 2016 at 11:33:30 AM

On the topic of Creator pet.From the page itself

Hated by fans (The Scrappy)

Loved (or worshipped) by the writers (Creator's Favorite)

Put into big scenes for no reason (Character Focus)

Talked up by the other characters (Character Shilling)

Unless it meets all of these criteria, it doesn't fit.

Cinder hasn't received that much focus until this volume.And even then only the later half. And no one has talking up Cinder much.

edited 14th Feb '16 11:33:56 AM by DeanCole

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#26838: Feb 14th 2016 at 11:35:34 AM

So Cinder needed Grimmwing to defeat Pyrrha? Please, she was already going toe-to-toe
The fact that she didn't auto-win proves she's not as powerful as you're claiming, and she had the Fall Maiden's full power. She had to resort to some dirty tricks and outside help to beat Pyrrha.

supposedly defeated OZPIN offscreen
Yeah, isn't that weird?

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#26839: Feb 14th 2016 at 11:42:51 AM

Oh look, someone beat me to the Villain Sue thing for Cinder:

  • Villain Sue: Cinder. EVERYTHING she does goes to plan and nothing the heroes do ever stops or delays any one of her machinations. She annihilates Beacon Academy and Vale, gets the entirety of the Fall Maiden's power, ruins Atlas' public image, kills Pyrrha, leaves Ozpin missing, has an army of robots at her command, and has the Grimm running rampant like never before. The only thing she didn't expect was the fact that Ruby is a special silver-eyed warrior who may or may not have the power to beat her.

Also remember, the YMMV page is subjective by nature. Just because you don't think the example isn't valid, doesn't mean other people do. I personally agree on this however.

UndyingPhoenix Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#26840: Feb 14th 2016 at 11:44:40 AM

Don't forget, Ruby's freezing probably did nothing to her, and has helped her threaten Vale by freezing the Grimm Dragon too, so that it still attracts Grimm.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#26841: Feb 14th 2016 at 11:44:55 AM

On the other hand, Phyrra need to also use other trick in order to go toe with toe, like use the engins in Ozpin tower room and all of that just slower down.

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#26842: Feb 14th 2016 at 11:45:00 AM

Man I guess you could say Jaune got... cinderblocked

Praise be to the absolute Queen
DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#26843: Feb 14th 2016 at 11:45:00 AM

[up][up][up]Delete the amy of robots part(loses it when the ship crashed).Other than that I dont have a problem with it

edited 14th Feb '16 11:48:11 AM by DeanCole

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#26844: Feb 14th 2016 at 11:46:08 AM

[up]Technically, unless Volume 4 has Ironwood removing Cinder's virus from all of Atlas' systems, she does

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#26845: Feb 14th 2016 at 11:48:13 AM

Also remember, the YMMV page is subjective by nature. Just because you don't think the example isn't valid, doesn't mean other people do. I personally agree on this however.
Too bad it's Flame Bait. It's getting deleted.

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#26846: Feb 14th 2016 at 11:48:20 AM

Arkos shippers right now (Myself included)

The most dissapointing thing about this episode is Cinder vs Ozpin. We almost saw nothing of it (It also makes me mad that he was defeated offscreen. WHY OFFSCREEN LAND GETS ALL THE GOOD SHIT?!)

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#26847: Feb 14th 2016 at 11:49:37 AM

[up][up]So.... why does the trope exist and say it's a YMMV trope then?

If it's Flame Bait and not allowed to be on the YMMV page, what good is its existence?

edited 14th Feb '16 11:49:47 AM by BlackSunNocturne

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#26848: Feb 14th 2016 at 11:49:56 AM

I wonder if Cinder survived that. It's be ironic if this ended up a Pyrrhic Victory for her since she got everything she wanted but isn't alive to relish it.

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#26849: Feb 14th 2016 at 11:50:29 AM

[up]I doubt it. They wouldn't get a "celebrity" (and I use that term loosely) voice actress to play Cinder if they only have her around for two volumes.

edited 14th Feb '16 11:51:11 AM by BlackSunNocturne

WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#26850: Feb 14th 2016 at 11:50:42 AM

I apologize if this makes things worse, but I find this to be... appropriate:

That out of the way, my theory for Weiss leaving (other that her father forcing her) is that she's going to try to get her father to allow Yang to get a new arm.

Also, Cinder probably wasn't greatly affected by Ruby's Deus ex Machina, since IIRC, it only affects creatures of Grimm. So to Cinder, it probably was an oversized flashbang.


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