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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
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#26627: Feb 13th 2016 at 2:15:52 PM

[up]in ozpin worlds "the tower must not fall" they did not achive victory against Cinder but at least stop him for being a perfect victory

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MalcolmBelmontS Since: May, 2015
#26628: Feb 13th 2016 at 2:16:45 PM

Imagine if we got a Stone Ocean Style Ending at the end of RWBY. The fanbase would not take it

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#26629: Feb 13th 2016 at 2:18:18 PM

[up] I'm not familiar, please elaborate.

SomeNewGuy Since: Jun, 2009
#26630: Feb 13th 2016 at 2:20:47 PM

Long story short, Just when it looks like Jodie and co are gonna win, the Big Bad pulls a new power out of his ass and kills everyone, Jodie included, except for the Tagalong Kid. Said Tagalong Kid then kills the Big Bad before resetting the universe, creating new versions of the main cast who get to live happily ever after while the original versions that we followed all this time remain dead while their world is completely destroyed. Notably, the ending's tone actually draws attention to this and makes it clear this is not a happy ending, but is in fact rather bleak.

Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#26631: Feb 13th 2016 at 2:24:47 PM

I'm sorry, but did that explosion from Ruby actually fucking do anything to set back any of Cinder's plans? No, it fucking didn't; all it did was freeze her and the dragon, and Cinder got better since she was able to meet with her boss. It was only a temporary set-back that got fixed within an hour. Seriously, don't make shit up as well if you don't want us to make shit up.

I can't see Cinder's plan to bring the dragon to Beacon being helped with the Dragon being frozen in place and not able to act as a mobile spawn point. And Cinder got better? How do you figure that since she doesn't appear for the rest of the episode so there no evidence that she met up with Salem. Whatever Ruby did stopped Cinder from killing her, which seeing that Cinder killed Phyrra despite her no longer being a threat would suggest that Cinder couldn't do it. So again, Cinder got hit with a setback by the dragon being frozen in place, with Cinder's status unconfirmed.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#26632: Feb 13th 2016 at 2:26:17 PM

[up] One possibility beyond Cinder herself being petrified, which would be...unusual, is that it was like Amber, she saw Qrow coming and decided to run for it rather than waste time killing a helpless opponent. Either way, I strongly suspect we haven't seen the last of her, if only because taking out The Dragon like that is exponentially worse than taking out a literal dragon like that.

Theory time regarding Salem. Remember how I theorized that the power of the maidens was originally stolen from a deity or cosmic entity of some description? That entity is/was Salem or someone close to her, and Ozpin (the wizard) and the original maidens were the one who stole it.

edited 13th Feb '16 2:34:31 PM by CaptainCapsase

Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#26633: Feb 13th 2016 at 2:43:03 PM

One thing the people who keep going on about Cinder being unstoppable; for the majority of her plan 99% of the cast never even realised she was trying anything, and the ones who knew something was up only knew that in the most vague terms. Getting the Fall Maiden's power involved her sneaking up and launching a sneak attack to get that bonus to damage. In both of the straight up fights we've seen she has not been dominating them; the Ozpin fight showed him holding his own then gaining the upper hand, the Phyrra fight showed that Phyrra absolutely dominates Cinder when it comes to the physical part of fighting, with Cinder needing to rely on outside help (the Dragon) and tricks (the arrow) in order to win. And then Ruby showed up and by all accounts either took Cinder out of contention or forced her to retreat. This episode removed the illusion that Cinder was untouchable.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#26635: Feb 13th 2016 at 2:53:06 PM

[up] I have to wonder if this is what is was like watching Madoka blind without knowing about the director's past works.

Though I have my doubts it will go that far.

Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#26636: Feb 13th 2016 at 2:53:57 PM

Everything will be fine for everyone. Except for anyone who didn't survive to the end credits. They're dead.

But seriously, people need to remember that Blake, Weiss and Yang are just going to go through some actual character development to work through their issues rather than having them resolved with one slumber party conversation. They'll be back together before the end credits of Volume 4. The real question is what is going to happen to JNR.

Zero10cutter Viewtiful!! from mississippi Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#26638: Feb 13th 2016 at 2:56:01 PM

[up] [[spoiler:text]]

[up][up] I'm not entirely positive of that; at least in the long run I have my suspicions that members of team RWBY won't make it to see the grand finale.

edited 13th Feb '16 2:56:55 PM by CaptainCapsase

Psyga315 Since: Jan, 2001
#26639: Feb 13th 2016 at 3:02:01 PM

Is it just me, or does Salem look like Kaguya from Naruto?

Zero10cutter Viewtiful!! from mississippi Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#26640: Feb 13th 2016 at 3:03:49 PM

Damn! Jaune just can't catch a break! First he fails to protect Amber, and then, Pyrria bites the dust!

edited 13th Feb '16 3:04:58 PM by Zero10cutter

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#26641: Feb 13th 2016 at 3:05:49 PM

It's funny because if Pyrrha listened to her damn leader things would've ended way different.

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Zero10cutter Viewtiful!! from mississippi Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#26642: Feb 13th 2016 at 3:10:36 PM

[up] Well shit, she should've said yes the 1st time so none of this would've happened!

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#26643: Feb 13th 2016 at 3:28:58 PM

@Epic Bleye: Attack On Titan runs in a weekly Shonen magazine for kids, as did Jojos Bizarre Adventure before Steel Ball Run.

Ergo, they are technically for children in Japan.

edited 13th Feb '16 3:30:34 PM by Demongodofchaos2

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#26644: Feb 13th 2016 at 3:31:15 PM

[up] Shounen includes a general age rage of young kids to 16 and 17 year olds though, IIRC, and what's appropriate for a 17 year old is dramatically different than a 13 year old.

edited 13th Feb '16 3:31:32 PM by CaptainCapsase

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26645: Feb 13th 2016 at 3:32:26 PM

Imagine if we got a Stone Ocean Style Ending at the end of RWBY.

Well, Stone Ocean's ending was shit, so of course the fandom would revolt.

To all those saying "Cinder has totally had a setback thanks to the dragon being frozen" - that's the best you've got? A last minute deus ex machina that we don't even know the results of? There are also huge assumptions being made on how important the dragon is to Cinder's goals, and even in a dormant state it's still attracting Grimm. What Ruby did isn't a true victory, it's just a bandaid. And again, that took a last minute deus ex machina. I still don't see Cinder as a Villain Sue, but requiring a Deus ex Machina to be twarted is a hallmark of them. She's pretty close to fitting.

I like that the team has been broken up, and that it's building off the insecurites that WBY brought up in volume 2. At the time it seemed like that was going nowhere, it's good to see a return to that. Blake's is especially poignant because her insecurity about running keeps coming back at her and now it's the only way she knows to keep her friends safe.

I also like that Ruby is going off with Jaune, Ren and Nora at the end. I hope they stick together as an informal team for a good part of the next volume, if not longer. It's a good opportunity for some different dynamics, interactions and development.

IniuriaTalis Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Love, football, the arts, the occasional pint
#26646: Feb 13th 2016 at 3:40:49 PM

One thing you should keep in mind about Ruby's powers appearing is that it didn't just help the heroes out in a pinch. It established that Ruby is as or more powerful than Cinder, which will definitely come into play when they inevitably confront each other after Ruby's started leaning to use her powers. Even if she didn't get thwarted now, making an enemy of Ruby without realizing what she could do will absolutely bite Cinder later.

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Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#26647: Feb 13th 2016 at 3:41:45 PM

[up][up]The argument we're refuting is that Cinder's plans have been going off perfectly without a hitch. There has now been a hitch, that could snowball into complete derailment. If any more of Cinder's plans relied on the dragon being active they have been stopped in their tracks. Plus Cinder's last scene has her displeased with the latest revelation.

edited 13th Feb '16 3:43:21 PM by Shaoken

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26648: Feb 13th 2016 at 3:50:34 PM

Wild speculation, got it.

Right now she could reappear and say "unexpected, but this works for us" we don't know anything about the outcome yet.

And all I'm saying is that "last minute deus ex maxhina might have been a hitch!" is a pretty poor argument. If that's the only thing to slow her down then it'a damn fine complaint to have.

Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#26649: Feb 13th 2016 at 3:54:35 PM

Again, The argument is that everything went perfectly for Cinder with no form of setback. Ruby going nuclear casts a big shadow on that claim.

SomeNewGuy Since: Jun, 2009
#26650: Feb 13th 2016 at 3:55:36 PM

She had already fucking won at that point. Anything Ruby could do to her is a minor setback that will barely register with her. At best.


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