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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#26301: Feb 12th 2016 at 3:30:44 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] Also consider that the heroes (perhaps excluding Ozpin, but for whatever reason, be it shame, pride, or a deeper knowledge of thes situation sat idle) were blindsided by Cinder's plan; and while they're getting creamed in the battle, the war has only just begun. If the heroes aren't more proactive going into the future, and if Cinder continues to win without stumbling blocks, I will be prepared to agree with you.

edited 12th Feb '16 3:31:24 PM by CaptainCapsase

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#26302: Feb 12th 2016 at 3:31:18 PM

The Episode 11 fight betwee Ruby/Neo/Roman was mostly Joel but with a tiny bit of Monty.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#26304: Feb 12th 2016 at 3:32:44 PM

[up][up] That's not surprised; skilled animators aren't quite a dime a dozen; but their fairly interchangeable at the professional level. What set Monty apart was his creativity and choreography, not his animation skill.

edited 12th Feb '16 3:33:56 PM by CaptainCapsase

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26305: Feb 12th 2016 at 3:33:56 PM

[up][up][up] [up]False Dichtomy. We can have stage 1 succeed without it going perfectly. We can have a plot without things going Cinder's way all the time.

She outright said things with the train worked in their favour. They haven't had a true setback or anything to make her worry.

I don't think she's a villain sue, but it is annoying.

edited 12th Feb '16 3:34:18 PM by Saiga

EndlessSea LEGENDARY GALE from oh no you don't Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
LEGENDARY GALE
#26306: Feb 12th 2016 at 3:36:34 PM

You'd think they'd have noticed she was transmitting from the beacon dorms. Or at all. Seriously, after that Season Two breakin, plus Ironwood bringing in an entire wing of the Atlas military, you'd think they'd have tighter security on this sort of thing.

Then again, they weren't able to cross-reference her practically-undisguised face with that of one of the supposed students visiting there, and apparently the nation her team was pretending to be representing didn't notice they had a few more contestants than they were supposed to, so this isn't exactly abnormal for Remnant security measures. It's a wonder they haven't all gone up in flames already.

but HOW?
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#26307: Feb 12th 2016 at 3:36:55 PM

It's a David Xanatos type thing. It was a setback, but she worked it to her advantage. Either way, she's gonna be heading for a fall soon, so why act like she's unbeatable? Villains always lose.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#26308: Feb 12th 2016 at 3:36:56 PM

@Endless: Playing devil's advocate, but maybe whatever virus she put onto Beacon's network prevented the system from reporting her position during the broadcast. As far as the break in goes, I'm assuming Hollywood Darkness was in effect and it was too dark to make out enough facial features for a sketch artist to produce a useful rendition of her. The lack of someone pointing out they weren't actually students could come from something as simple as bribing someone at the registrar.

[up] Probably not any time soon (though she may go from being The Heavy to merely being The Dragon when her master shows her face), but hopefully things won't be going entirely her way once the heroes get into gear.

edited 12th Feb '16 3:42:47 PM by CaptainCapsase

EndlessSea LEGENDARY GALE from oh no you don't Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
LEGENDARY GALE
#26309: Feb 12th 2016 at 3:40:35 PM

[up][up]Even if that were true, it wouldn't solve the problem. For Cinder's plan to work at all, pretty much everyone actually in a position to do something about it has to be staggeringly incompetent. Which is what happened.

[up]A sketch artist? I'm talking security cameras and the fact that literally the only thing Cinder did to change her appearance from her dress at the dance that night was to put on a mask that doesn't even cover half her face. And if she was jamming scanners, that's even more of a reason to investigate, because that's a really serious security breach.

edited 12th Feb '16 3:44:15 PM by EndlessSea

but HOW?
powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#26310: Feb 12th 2016 at 3:41:29 PM

All I can think about Cinder is that she might win this Volume.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#26311: Feb 12th 2016 at 3:41:46 PM

OK, given that I haven't watched Volumes 1 or 2 in years, remind me what exactly happened?

[up]

I'm leaning towards at least part of her plan not going right, but this Volume is gonna be ending bittersweet at best.

edited 12th Feb '16 3:42:31 PM by AdricDePsycho

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#26312: Feb 12th 2016 at 3:41:48 PM

[up][up][up] The world has been at peace for around 80 years at this point; people have gotten complacent, up to and including high military officials. Ironwood is probably wonderful at fighting Grimm, but he's never had to deal with an enemy as intelligent as he is, ie what Wyldchyd said; the problem of soldiers who have never fought in a war being lead by generals who have never fought in a war.

edited 12th Feb '16 3:44:31 PM by CaptainCapsase

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#26313: Feb 12th 2016 at 3:41:59 PM

The crew were quite clear - Adam is not a stable individual.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#26314: Feb 12th 2016 at 3:46:55 PM

@Endless: I don't recall seeing any security cameras. Which sounds utterly idiotic, I have to agree, even if you have armed guards there, but one Wall Banger does not an Idiot Plot make.

edited 12th Feb '16 3:49:16 PM by CaptainCapsase

EndlessSea LEGENDARY GALE from oh no you don't Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
LEGENDARY GALE
#26315: Feb 12th 2016 at 3:48:13 PM

[up][up][up]There's a line between complacency and incompetence. That line has been crossed. The moment Cinder's team was called up for a tournament match, someone should've gone, "Hey, wait, it says that team's ours even though we've never seen them before in our lives, what the hell?" The moment that control tower was broken into in volume 2, everything should've come to a screeching halt until security found out exactly what the fuck just happened.

Ironwood brought in his forces, so he must have known things were serious, yet from what I can tell he completely failed to use them beyond having them fly around and look menacing.

edited 12th Feb '16 3:50:16 PM by EndlessSea

but HOW?
MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#26316: Feb 12th 2016 at 3:48:40 PM

A thing about character death, or really anything in the plot; if it's done well, the audience feels hatred for the character involved in doing the deed. When it's done poorly, you feel annoyed at the creators for being the ones who made the scenario happen.

edited 12th Feb '16 3:51:13 PM by MEKristian

BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#26317: Feb 12th 2016 at 3:49:35 PM

Basically: Cinder's succeeding because plot demands people be grossly incompetent so her plan will go smoothly, and her plan will succeed no matter what the protagonists do.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#26318: Feb 12th 2016 at 3:51:00 PM

For a given measure of succeed, to be honest. She's gonna lose one way or another anyways.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#26319: Feb 12th 2016 at 3:51:03 PM

@Endless: The lack of them being on the list is easily explained by bribery of a registrar official; everything else is a fair point that really should be addressed, but if we assume Cinder managed to get her virus into the network and it wasn't discovered, city officials might not appreciate delays to one of the most important events of the decade.

Dance Dance Infilration was the biggest Wallbanger, but everything else I can buy; Ironwood plugging his not-an-iPhone into an unsecured network was stupid, but there's a very high profile investigation and/or witch hunt going on the United States about a high official doing just that, in case you don't keep up with US news. I will facepalm if it's not eventually revealed Cinder's group has a mole in Atlas's IT department that helped them bypass their security.

edited 12th Feb '16 3:56:56 PM by CaptainCapsase

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#26320: Feb 12th 2016 at 3:52:32 PM

Yea, the fact that Cinder's plans have gone off without a hitch is really annoying. Not that I'm grateful for the series raising the stakes in this volume, but this has been going on since Volume 1; like fucking lose already.

I don't even think the likes of Aizen were this untouchable.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#26321: Feb 12th 2016 at 3:55:25 PM

How do we know exactly that it's purely Cinder pulling all of the strings? What if whoever is her boss is helping her?

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#26322: Feb 12th 2016 at 3:55:52 PM

[up][up] Barely anything has happened in the plot so far; there's about half of a full length TV season's content thus far, and RWBY always struck me as having been written with a tradition 30 minute timeslot/25 episode season format.

edited 12th Feb '16 3:55:59 PM by CaptainCapsase

TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
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#26323: Feb 12th 2016 at 3:56:48 PM

Cinder doesn't win until she successfully escapes unscathed as the Fall Maiden.

She's already proven that a sufficiently skilled team of three can take down a Maiden. Admittedly, Emerald's semblance played a significant role in that. Which means that if something happens to Emerald, Cinder loses a major asset. And if Ozpin's semblance is in any way akin to the powers of one Homura Akemi, things are going to get complicated. For everybody.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#26324: Feb 12th 2016 at 3:57:35 PM

Homura? Who the hell is Homura?

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#26325: Feb 12th 2016 at 3:58:26 PM

[up] Character from Madoka with time powers I think. Just checked and yep, that's the one. Tl;dr if you don't plan on watching that series she repeatedly goes back in time to try and prevent the eponymous character from inadvertently making a Deal with the Devil with the cute magical girl companion animal that's actually the sort-of villain, partially because the villain is planning on destroying the world (through inaction) using Madoka's power, but mostly because she's kinda obsessed with her.

I seriously, seriously doubt Ozpin has anything like that up his sleeve; he could just go back to before Amber was drained, warn her, and turn the tables on our villains. If anything, it'll be a few seconds time jumping at most.

edited 12th Feb '16 4:03:09 PM by CaptainCapsase


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