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False Dichtomy. We can have stage 1 succeed without it going perfectly. We can have a plot without things going Cinder's way all the time.
She outright said things with the train worked in their favour. They haven't had a true setback or anything to make her worry.
I don't think she's a villain sue, but it is annoying.
edited 12th Feb '16 3:34:18 PM by Saiga
You'd think they'd have noticed she was transmitting from the beacon dorms. Or at all. Seriously, after that Season Two breakin, plus Ironwood bringing in an entire wing of the Atlas military, you'd think they'd have tighter security on this sort of thing.
Then again, they weren't able to cross-reference her practically-undisguised face with that of one of the supposed students visiting there, and apparently the nation her team was pretending to be representing didn't notice they had a few more contestants than they were supposed to, so this isn't exactly abnormal for Remnant security measures. It's a wonder they haven't all gone up in flames already.
but HOW?@Endless: Playing devil's advocate, but maybe whatever virus she put onto Beacon's network prevented the system from reporting her position during the broadcast. As far as the break in goes, I'm assuming Hollywood Darkness was in effect and it was too dark to make out enough facial features for a sketch artist to produce a useful rendition of her. The lack of someone pointing out they weren't actually students could come from something as simple as bribing someone at the registrar.
Probably not any time soon (though she may go from being The Heavy to merely being The Dragon when her master shows her face), but hopefully things won't be going entirely her way once the heroes get into gear.
edited 12th Feb '16 3:42:47 PM by CaptainCapsase
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Even if that were true, it wouldn't solve the problem. For Cinder's plan to work at all, pretty much everyone actually in a position to do something about it has to be staggeringly incompetent. Which is what happened.
A sketch artist? I'm talking security cameras and the fact that literally the only thing Cinder did to change her appearance from her dress at the dance that night was to put on a mask that doesn't even cover half her face. And if she was jamming scanners, that's even more of a reason to investigate, because that's a really serious security breach.
edited 12th Feb '16 3:44:15 PM by EndlessSea
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The world has been at peace for around 80 years at this point; people have gotten complacent, up to and including high military officials. Ironwood is probably wonderful at fighting Grimm, but he's never had to deal with an enemy as intelligent as he is, ie what Wyldchyd said; the problem of soldiers who have never fought in a war being lead by generals who have never fought in a war.
edited 12th Feb '16 3:44:31 PM by CaptainCapsase
@Endless: I don't recall seeing any security cameras. Which sounds utterly idiotic, I have to agree, even if you have armed guards there, but one Wall Banger does not an Idiot Plot make.
edited 12th Feb '16 3:49:16 PM by CaptainCapsase
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There's a line between complacency and incompetence. That line has been crossed. The moment Cinder's team was called up for a tournament match, someone should've gone, "Hey, wait, it says that team's ours even though we've never seen them before in our lives, what the hell?" The moment that control tower was broken into in volume 2, everything should've come to a screeching halt until security found out exactly what the fuck just happened.
Ironwood brought in his forces, so he must have known things were serious, yet from what I can tell he completely failed to use them beyond having them fly around and look menacing.
edited 12th Feb '16 3:50:16 PM by EndlessSea
but HOW?A thing about character death, or really anything in the plot; if it's done well, the audience feels hatred for the character involved in doing the deed. When it's done poorly, you feel annoyed at the creators for being the ones who made the scenario happen.
edited 12th Feb '16 3:51:13 PM by MEKristian
@Endless: The lack of them being on the list is easily explained by bribery of a registrar official; everything else is a fair point that really should be addressed, but if we assume Cinder managed to get her virus into the network and it wasn't discovered, city officials might not appreciate delays to one of the most important events of the decade.
Dance Dance Infilration was the biggest Wallbanger, but everything else I can buy; Ironwood plugging his not-an-iPhone into an unsecured network was stupid, but there's a very high profile investigation and/or witch hunt going on the United States about a high official doing just that, in case you don't keep up with US news. I will facepalm if it's not eventually revealed Cinder's group has a mole in Atlas's IT department that helped them bypass their security.
edited 12th Feb '16 3:56:56 PM by CaptainCapsase
Yea, the fact that Cinder's plans have gone off without a hitch is really annoying. Not that I'm grateful for the series raising the stakes in this volume, but this has been going on since Volume 1; like fucking lose already.
I don't even think the likes of Aizen were this untouchable.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.Cinder doesn't win until she successfully escapes unscathed as the Fall Maiden.
She's already proven that a sufficiently skilled team of three can take down a Maiden. Admittedly, Emerald's semblance played a significant role in that. Which means that if something happens to Emerald, Cinder loses a major asset. And if Ozpin's semblance is in any way akin to the powers of one Homura Akemi, things are going to get complicated. For everybody.
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Character from Madoka with time powers I think. Just checked and yep, that's the one. Tl;dr if you don't plan on watching that series she repeatedly goes back in time to try and prevent the eponymous character from inadvertently making a Deal with the Devil with the cute magical girl companion animal that's actually the sort-of villain, partially because the villain is planning on destroying the world (through inaction) using Madoka's power, but mostly because she's kinda obsessed with her.
I seriously, seriously doubt Ozpin has anything like that up his sleeve; he could just go back to before Amber was drained, warn her, and turn the tables on our villains. If anything, it'll be a few seconds time jumping at most.
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