You're assuming. Baseless assumptions. For starters, Penny would not be a target by Ruby, her team, their friends, Ironwood, anyone loyal to him, Ozpin, Qrow, anybody who has more humanity than you give them credit for and judge her on her own merits, etc. etc. etc.
This also assumes that Atlas disowns the project rather than doubling down now that the secret is out.
Bullshit. She is exactly the same as Astro Boy (who I like to remind you was also created in secret). And bullshit to "she was meant to be a secret" since lines indicate she was going to be revealed to the world in due time.
By all indications it sounds like she was created as a daughter first and the combat side second.
You're assuming that Ironwood doesn't go "Screw the Rules, I'm Doing What's Right!" and take everybody loyal with him to fight Cinder. At the very least he'd have Winter and people loyal to her on his side considering she fought Qrow to defend his honour, that's more than enough resources to get Penny fixed by someone already inclined to do it for free.
How would that add more distrust to Atlas? The whole world looks like it'll think they're already invading Vale and attacking it's local population, and again Atlas doesn't have to have a say in it. If Penny's dad flips them the bird by bringing her back all they can do is curse and flail uselessly as every named Atlas character so far would be for her being repaired and she can wipe the floor with mooks.
You can't honestly compare controlling a hoard of cans individually to sending out a massive polarity wave. You also ignored the part about Penny being an awesome fighter and why that is something the Brotherhood needs critically now that Cinder is full Fall Maiden.
From all the foreshadowing all inter-kingdom communications is going to get shut down, so Atlas won't have anybody to deny it to. The backlash is coming and they have no defence against it. That's also assuming they can force a man who made a robot girl who can wipe the floor with dozens of trained White Fang terrorists without breaking a sweat not to do something he wants to do.
Attempted maiming and actual murder aren't stigmas you can just shrug off. Both have their reputations utterly destroyed. And it's a secret project that was apparently intended to be revealed to the world, they can just improvise. Plus, Adam is planning on killing everybody Blake loves. That's RWY, JNPR, SSSN, CFVY, and all of their allies who stick with them. That is worse than "people might want to kill her."
No not at all. All my points are based on solid logic as evidenced by the fact you had to ignore responding to several of them and have to start speculating on others.
You know what I meant, Penny is not a robot, she is android who can used aura, the other three kindoms could send people to figure out her secrets,Atlas could shout her down, the white fang(even more considering Cinder already have the blueprings in her hands) could atack her and so on.
Well Considering the whole project go out of Hand? when a project is based in secrecy, you dont build out again, instead you move on and denied it evern happen, Atlas doubling down what is pretty much secret robot that can be EVERYONE and used aura should rise HUGE flags to the other kindoms.
And who is the one who assuming things now? you are assuming ironwood would have any soport after his spectacular faliure in protecting the Vytal tournament, the destruction of his fleet and the hacking of the robots? or that SOMEHOW gather enought resources to repair a single android at the sake of sptling Atlas forces againts Cinder? jeez you are making too easy for her you know?
Maybe, as future invention or project, not the "secret thing Atlas dosent want you to know but living in your very nose" as Cinder reveals to everyone waching the fight, the whole thing blow in their hands
How? by the fact tha Atlas have pretty much smuggled a living Android who can used Aura into goddamn tournament and go unchecked into the finals, that alone should send wave of paranoa fuel to everyone in other kindoms, if scientst continue the project it would send the message that A) Atlas cant control their own staff or B) they cont give a shit about PR and go anyway which in this case Cinder claims gains more weight
and really, what you just said amount of "Well, the rest think we are warmongers...but penny is awsome!"
Awsome fighter? so far we see her taking down a airship and fighting some mooks but the rest, Phyrra manage to give her a good fight even in that state of her, again not matter how awsome she is, for everyone it would be the "robot that hide between us"
You are understimed the power a goverment like atlas can bring against one men, also you see to miss my point that Penny is forever a pariah, the project Atlas didnt tell anybody.
You can shrug off actually, consider Yang lost her hand to protect a student agasint the white fang leader(unless Blake condition as Faunus get knot, which could throw a wrench into the equation) and Phyrra reputation is more burden to her at this point (also any authority at this point would trust Phyrra version consider what happen)
Really, bring Penny back after all what happen would be convulted since in bring a tons of issue convering Atlas situation, its not worth the trouble.
edited 10th Feb '16 12:17:22 AM by unknowing
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"I'm thinking the whole secrecy thing around Penny was to make sure that is of huntsman/huntress class fighting level before her debut, and winning the Vytal Festival Tournament would be the best way to do it. No sense in announcing a sub-par military asset. Plus, I'm sure Atlas would have had a well thought-out speech introducing Penny to the world.
Too bad Cinder found out, went to the fridge, and twisted the situation to suit her.
even them, a robot who can use aura is the kind of thing raise eyebrows around, sice in theory can change the subject of hunting forever: not need to send more people to battlefiled, instead relaying powerfull and resistant Android who can relase their own aura, that could give them the edge over the other kindoms.
Cinder pretty much got the jackpot by finding Penny blueprints.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Penny will return in Volume 4 as the series equivalent of Charlie Nash in Street Fighter V
I hate to break it to you but you are just describing what most heroes face already. None of this is a reason for Penny's father to fix her.
The project was to build an android that could use an aura. It was a roaring succuss. How did it get out of hand?
That is not even remotely true. Would the US abandon any of it's weapons projects just because they got found out? Would China give two fucks what anybody thinks if someone found out one of their secret projects? No. Just look at all the NSA things that got leaked recently. Despite all the tough talk about getting them back in line ultimately the US did jack shit to curtail any of the powers they had, all the legislation passed just changing the words around to give the illusion of change.
And as the point keeps getting raised, all indications are Penny's nature would eventually be revealed to the world. If they were always planning to reveal this technology to the world then why would they completely scrap it despite all of it's advantages just because somebody else revealed it and painted it in a bad light? Why not do what Governments already do in the real world and spin the narrative around to paint the P.E.N.N.Y project back in a good light and make Penny out to be humanity's best friend ruthlessly murdered by a foreign national? Nothing like blind nationalism to unite your populace together.
You are completely ignoring what's going on in the show right now; Atlas has been slandered by Cinder as hosting an invading army in Vale, their robot army has been hijacked and is slaughtering the citizens of Vale while Mercury records the whole thing. Given the previous slander job the most logical conclusion is that Cinder is going to creatively edit the film together to paint Atlas as launching a full invasion of Vale and Beacon and killing it's citizens and students while editing out any Atlas soldiers killed. Her next move based on the World of Remnant short and Ozpin saying "the tower mustn't fall" seems to be destroying the communications relay, which would completely destroy all existing communications between kingdoms. Atlas won't have anybody to protest it's innocence too and is going to be completely in the dark about how the other kingdoms could react.
They might shut down the project and try to appease the other kingdoms, or they might do what militaries normally do and reinforce their borders against possible invasion.
Winter Schnee.
The woman started a fight with Qrow in public because he was insulting Ironwood. You honestly think she would just completely abandon him after all that?
There's also going to be the rest of the brotherhood, anybody who saw him fighting to save lives, any surviving soldiers who are genuinely loyal to him, etc.
Seriously though, people are so sure Penny's coming back because of how easy it would be to repair her. It's only slightly harder than sticking each piece back together again.
You're also forgetting Atlas has no idea who Cinder is or what she wants. They aren't mounting a defence against Cinder because they don't even know what there is to mount a defence against. There is no way in hell Ironwood would tell them about the Maidens, so half of Atlas in your scenario would be defending against the wrong things.
The points I'm skipping can be summed up as "Cinder's trying to cut off communication between kingdoms, Atlas's protestations and gestures of innocence are going to literally fall on deaf ears.
Those same mooks were giving Blake and Sun trouble, those airships are the type Glynda couldn't take down with ease, and her doubles round in the tournament ended with her single-handedly defeating two hunters. She also has a reason to want to fight Cinder (protect her friends) and of the four members of the brotherhood Ironwood would back his own project and Qrow would listen to Ruby. Glynda is up in the air but Ozpin would be the person who judges people based on their own merits.
Perhaps you're overestimating their power considering they haven't even showed up on the damn show yet. Their army showed up and is currently getting curb stomped effectively by six people.
You also really have a truly low opinion of the human race. Like, you honestly believe that all people in that world will hate and fear Penny forever, that humans are just xenophobic assholes who won't even try to accept something different. That people would just abandon those they held in the highest respect without hesitation.
How would that help? Nobody saw her fight Adam except for Blake and they could shrug that off as somebody only helping their friend and nobody else.
The same way they trusted Yang? The same way the Vale Council trusted Ozpin's handling of the situation? Authority figures whose names aren't Ozpin don't have the best track record for believing people when the situation as presented contradicts them.
[[quoteblock]]Really, bring Penny back after all what happen would be convulted since in bring a tons of issue convering Atlas situation, its not worth the trouble. [[//quoteblock]]
The opposite is true. Bringing Penny back is so childishly easy (grab her parts, take them to Dr Light's house, have them reconnected and boom!) that all your excuses are more wallbangery. Yes things won't just be magically okay for Penny, but that's the whole point of stories. If the heroes just breezed through everything without adversity they'd be incredibly boring stories.
I predict that Penny, assuming that she is brought back online before all her limbs are ready, will get carried around by Phyrra on her back, since Yang is short in the arm department.
edited 10th Feb '16 2:02:20 AM by Shaoken
JNPR on the other hand, doesn't have the plot armor that comes from being billed in the title; so they're fair game at any time; Pyrrha in particular has a huge number of death flags...
I disagree on them not having plot armour. JNPR is clearly billed as the secondary team, which puts them ahead of most other cast members, and I'm fairly sure the importance is more in the characters than preserving the names. Replacing Pyrrha with Penny to keep it as JNPR would be ridiculous.
They don't have the same level of plot armour that RWBY do, but I absolutely do believe they're safer than most other members of the cast. And we haven't had anything close to a major character dying. All we've had is a robot be "killed" which is always the safe option.
So I think the fact that people keep predicting deaths all over the place is more than a little silly. The last few episodes have been intense, but things aren't really that dark.
I'm not even going to touch the algorithm since that has next to no worth in a serious prediction.
And I disagree that she has a large number of death flags. Things like The Ace, being a love interest, etc are pretty common in characters who get killed... and probably more common in characters who don't. I know more examples of The Ace who live than those that get killed off, and that's especially true for any love interests. You're also really overplaying her mentor role because that has only received focus during volume one and currently she's got her own role (closer to being a supporting protagonist).
Cards Against Remnant people, RWBY has a fanfiction thread
that basically died off during the hiatus between Volumes 2 and 3.
For a fandom with so much shipping, fanart, cosplay. and a fairly open setting, it's amazing that the fanfiction is apparently pretty weak.
edited 10th Feb '16 7:32:37 AM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!@Saiga: At this point, swapping Pyrrha for Penny is extremely remote, but before the outcome of PVP, it seemed to be a very real possibly given the ominous foreshadowing regarding the consequences of the aura transference, and the fact Penny wanted to attend Beacon. Even after that, and even now, there's no real guarantee the current Cast Herd arrangements will remain intact going into the future. If half of JNPR died, I could definitely see the survivors becoming part of a Six Man Band with RWBY, and even without any deaths, I could see things going back to more like how it was during Players and Pieces where the two teams were functioning as a single unit.
I'm not saying Pyrrha is/was doomed, but she definitely has/had the makings of a Sacrificial Lion. Yang would as well if she didn't have Plot Armor from title billing.
edited 10th Feb '16 7:43:54 AM by CaptainCapsase
Barely, in the first two season the villians always do their plans unware of heroes and manage to carry away without problems(well kinda) and right Now Cinder plan got so well because she did not target anyone until the right moment so is the heroes facing the bad guys no the other way around. Penny on the other hand would be target for her very existance.
Because A) it was destroyed and B) Cinder have pretty much paint the whole issue as "Atlas smuggle a robot into the tournament as test to do the same in other kindoms" even if they bring her back, she would not be the robot who wants to be real girl, she would be Atlas weapon and tightly controled as result.
"Would the US abandon any of it's weapons projects just because they got found out?"
No, they would stop what they are doing there and carry the project somewhere else, if Atlas wants their android they would continue the project and build others like Penny, not wasting time recovering back after she clearly fail.
Also, US and China are one of the most powerfull states in the world, Atlas position is not so clear in remanent.
Because they already lost the narrative to cinder and their national broadcast, even more consider the entire fleet around Stadium got destroy by another ship thanks to a criminal who got away, Anything the do now is damage control, bring back penny would just add more paranoia fuel about the idea of robot who looks and act like a regular human.
No at all, in fact that reforced my position because Atlas is going to have a heavy time now after all it happens, between losing their fleet, Ironwood faliure(and almost death) against Cinder. the hijack of their robot army, there is to much shit going on to ignore and bring back their secret project that could probably cast them EVEN more in a bad light, if the military are going to play defensive in their country, bringing back a little girl is of not use to them and it can actually do worst.
Even them is just one person, also are you sugesting Winter would just go around and let her country behind for rouge general that FAILS? unless he reveal the whole issue with the maidens(most likey) she would not turn her loyalty against them
Again, you are somehow asuming Ironwood would deflect from Atlas after all what happen? Penny is a casualty and her fate is not in his hand but the one who make her and Atlas goverment, really your logic is just "she is a chararter, damit!"
Something diferent? Ok, let me put this clear, PENNY IS NOT EVEN A PERSON, she did not chose to be that way, even if the scientist saw her as daughter it matter not,one,bit because she is Atlas secret project, that alone destroy any change of Penny living like a normal girl or even being around other people, what Cinder did is to cast a climate of paranoia not much diferent than the Red or Muslim scare in the US.
Oh bring her back in theory is easy, WHY they should bring her back is another deal, since it pretty much invold telling Atlas and the paranoid public to fuck off because the cute metal girl is awsome, unless she real porpurse is conect to the maiden somehow, bring her back just bring more troubles that is worth for.
edited 10th Feb '16 8:53:25 AM by unknowing
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Penny is still a valuable piece of Atlas technology, even if she is in pieces. They wouldn't want some less than reputable individuals recovering Penny and using her to reverse engineer evil Pennys.
Honestly, repairing Penny would actually be a very good PR move for Atlas, not a bad one. At this point, the cat is out of the bag, but much like synths in Fallout, the psychological impact of Atlas androids would be much more effective if it's common knowledge such things exist.
An android who can survive wounds that would be instantly fatal to a human, is on par with the best hunters, and is externally indistinguishable from a normal human being is something that would be both impressive and intimidating.
If Atlas is already a police state, the possibility that your neighbors are actually synths probably isn't much more alarming than the possibility of your neighbors being informants for The Party or the dozens of cameras that are watching you at any given time. As far as its neighbors go, Atlas has the strongest military in the world, and a stranglehold on the fantasy-oil market. It can tell them to fuck off, in the same way Western Europe can't really do much other than wag fingers at Russia for annexing former USSR territories due to their dependence on Siberian oil.
edited 10th Feb '16 8:59:16 AM by CaptainCapsase
Penny is useful. Repairing her means she can fight the Grimm again and again, continually being repaired every time she's broken. Atlas needs the manpower. And yes, repairing her and making her exactly the way she was sends the message "Cinder was lying when she said we designed this robot to infiltrate other kingdoms who are unaware. See, you all no who she is and we still find her useful enough to repair. Because she isn't a weapon against the Kingdoms, but against our shared enemies."
"Honestly, repairing Penny would actually be a very good PR move for Atlas, not a bad one. At this point, the cat is out of the bag, but much like synths in Fallout, the psychological impact of Atlas androids would be much more effective if it's common knowledge such things exist."
Except that Cinder is still the one who dominate the narrative, they try to shut her down and it was imposible and whole remanet saw her message.
And even if Atlas is a police state, what this send to other is chilling: the idea the parte can actually replace you without to much of deal for a robot if youn dont compell is a scary tought, even more consider Atlas have suffer a heavy blow in their reputation as whole, consider the video Mercury is taking and the fact Cinder could probably destroy one of the tower it would cripple them in the hability to do something.
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Which consider the fact the fleet got blow off and their robot military just turn against themselves, it come across more as "fuck you everyone, we do what we want"
edited 10th Feb '16 9:07:35 AM by unknowing
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

"Either he does it in secret (because what kind of scientist of that calibre doesn't own an underground secret lab?) does it openly and uses his army of prototype robots to hold Atlas at bay long enough, or Atlas decides "In for a Penny, in for a Pound" and decides that since everybody is paranoid about them having perfect android duplicates everywhere anyway, they might as well go all in and get the benefits of it."
in all cases it end with him having pretty much a one man war against a entire goverment who pretty much have more weapons than you, and even if he does that, penny life would be a living targert from....EVERYONE.
"Penny's father loves his daughter"....so? is a robot, something created for a purpose, again is not astro boy or megaman, she was meant to be a secret and that goes to hell.
"She was under Ironwood's command and he's not the sort of person to just abandon someone because it's politically convenient. "
And what happen under Ironwood comant? let see: Two student sare frame as trigger happy fighters, Atlas little robot get torn into pieces with her identity reveal to the world, a dangrours criminal get relased and use HIS ship to blow out the rest of atlas fleet, THEM he hack HIS robots and use it againts them....I meant the only way Cinder humilliation can get worst if she photoshot Ironwood and Ozpin being raped by grimms.
If Ironwood manage to remain in his job it would be a goddamn miracle.
"There seems to have always been a plan to eventually reveal her to the world"
a plan that goes to hell thanks to Cinder, revealing project P,E,N,N,Y would only add more distrust to Altlas.
"She utterly dominated every fight up until Phyrra's and was in control of that one, and it took Phyrra using her semblance to what is currently it's maximum degree to stop her"
What? for what we see in food fight, Phyrra is capable of doing more than that, she use her semblance to repel what she considered more swords that it should.
"Ruby wants her best friend back, and Ironwood and by extension all of Atlas owe her a favour for taking down the control ship and shutting down all of the hijacked drones."
Atlas owed Ruby nothing, it was Ironwood responsability what happen and so far they fail at that, if Atlas have any sense of political savyness they would deny everything around Penny and shut down the project or face the (inevitable) backlash they would face about an Android getting inside a tournament.
"She'd be in the exact same boat as team RWBY"
She is in a WORST position to face, Yang and Phyrra a best can be explain as "heat of the battle" or "Vale crappy training", Ironwood would be blame with Atlas about oversteping other kindoms bounds, Penny? she is a SECRET PROJECT that got exposed, you just shrug your shoulder about it.
"Seriously, your points on why they wouldn't bring her back are incredibly weak."
And so far, your all points can be resumed in "Penny is awsome and RWBY are the protagonist, fuck the rest"
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"