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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#25226: Feb 7th 2016 at 2:53:52 PM

Given how every antagonist so far has been an unrepentant dick, redemption is the last thing I'm thinking about at the moment. Even Emerald's brief moment of clarity was less My God, What Have I Done? and more "Holy shit, this is actually pretty fucked up".

So let's give our antags some grey traits then we can start thinking about redemption.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
ChainedPrometheus Since: Jan, 2016
#25227: Feb 7th 2016 at 2:55:07 PM

Actually, if Cinder or Mercury do somehow survive all of this, I could see one of them going the route of Vegeta in terms of "redemption" and end up as a morally questionable anti-hero/anti-villain that slowly becomes more and more selfless over the course of the show.

If that happens, I'd wager it'd be Cinder though. Just a hunch there, especially if the lyrics to the Vol. 2 song "Sacrifice" are indeed about her.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#25228: Feb 7th 2016 at 2:58:27 PM

Obviously, Cinder, Emerald, Mercury and Adam will survive and form their own Anti-Hero Team. :V

edited 7th Feb '16 3:05:36 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#25229: Feb 7th 2016 at 2:59:24 PM

CAMA?

There's two Adams!? O_O

edited 7th Feb '16 3:00:16 PM by Parable

ChainedPrometheus Since: Jan, 2016
#25230: Feb 7th 2016 at 3:00:00 PM

Nah, Adam is most certainly going to die. Hell, I hope they don't even bother trying to redeem him as he dies either.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#25231: Feb 7th 2016 at 3:04:38 PM

Ayy, Mercury's an asshole and people love him :V

I kinda feel bad for liking Adam because I know he's going to be public enemy number 1 for quite literally, cutting down Bumblebee. But damn, Iaijutsu Practitioner is a favorite trope of mine. It hits all of the points for Rule of Cool.

[up][up]Whoops.

edited 7th Feb '16 3:05:20 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#25232: Feb 7th 2016 at 3:06:40 PM

Well, I could also see at least an Alas, Poor Villain if Adam dies without redemption.

Though maybe he could survive.... [lol]

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#25233: Feb 7th 2016 at 3:09:06 PM

the fact Emerald is take back from the chaos show she is more a clock punch villian than anything else.

With Adam...let hope the writers remenber he is a freedom fighter kind of guy, not a ship sinker.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
ChainedPrometheus Since: Jan, 2016
#25234: Feb 7th 2016 at 3:11:29 PM

"Ship sinker?" Are you kidding? I may hate Adam's guts, but he helped provide one of the most blatant moments in favor of Bumbleby in the show's history!

I can appreciate a great villain, which is what Adam is. Dude's quantum leaped from being a non-factor to being arguably the most terrifying villain on the show so far in the timespan of literally one episode.

That said, I think it'd be a wrong move for the writers to try and redeem him before he bites the dust.

edited 7th Feb '16 3:11:44 PM by ChainedPrometheus

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#25235: Feb 7th 2016 at 3:12:58 PM

[up][up] Yeah, they really need to remind us why the White Fang exists within the next volume. In Vale at least, Faunus don't seem to face much discrimination, nothing that would merit such a massive militant movement unless they have aspirations of carving out an independent Faunus nation from territory held by humans, presumably which was once theirs.

Which, as I've said, would be the most logical agenda for White Fang.

[up] The only way I could see it working would be sacrificing his life for Blake, rather than out of legitimate remorse; he's clearly got some elements of a Yandere, and that's the obvious path to redemption for that character archetype.

edited 7th Feb '16 3:14:19 PM by CaptainCapsase

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#25236: Feb 7th 2016 at 3:14:01 PM

It'd help his case if we explored why he wants to bring about this so-called "revolution".

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#25237: Feb 7th 2016 at 3:14:17 PM

So is Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy fitting for right now or what?

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#25238: Feb 7th 2016 at 3:15:54 PM

The fact that people even felt the need to put that trope on there shows that they care, so no its not really fitting.

Like really people, things get a little tense and everyone suddenly freaks the fuck out. Its not even like this came out of nowhere either, literally the entire season was building this up, its your own fault if you were blind-sighted.

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Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#25239: Feb 7th 2016 at 3:16:25 PM

Not at all.

The series descent in darkness was gradual, and people were just caught off guard since the initial teasers were generally dark, but the series itself remained deceptively light.

I wasn't fooled, personally.

Watch Symphogear
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#25240: Feb 7th 2016 at 3:17:23 PM

[up][up][up][up] I still stand by my theory that the Faunus once had their own Kingdom(s) (Menagerie), ended up falling behind humans technologically, and ended up on the receiving end of imperialism by the human kingdoms.

edited 7th Feb '16 3:18:44 PM by CaptainCapsase

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#25241: Feb 7th 2016 at 3:17:39 PM

So should I remove it from the YMMV page?

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#25242: Feb 7th 2016 at 3:19:56 PM

I think it's a case of people jumping to conclusions based on the trailers (like I did for "Destiny").

I feel like Bumblebee might end up canon at this point, unless the unlikely event of Yang being killed from losing an arm (which many fictional characters survive) happens.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#25243: Feb 7th 2016 at 3:20:29 PM

Well its YMMV for a reason, so unless you have a good reason to remove it, its mostly opinionated conjecture. So....do what you need to do bro.

[up]And this is based on one line of dialogue from an antagonist?

edited 7th Feb '16 3:21:15 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#25244: Feb 7th 2016 at 3:21:43 PM

I'll just leave it be for now then.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#25245: Feb 7th 2016 at 3:22:45 PM

[up]Yang, still have her mom arc, in fact who is going to react Taiyang and Raven to all this is...intersting to thing.

In fact I feel Taiyang could be a regular in the next season, since otherwise he would be head to head with Raven in most dickish father of animation

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#25246: Feb 7th 2016 at 3:26:25 PM

[up][up][up] I said it's very unlikely. Yang still has her mom arc to finish.

There's a part of me that thinks Bumblebee will end up canon. It was before this episode where I was thinking it might.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Crinias from The Bleak Academy Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Mu
#25247: Feb 7th 2016 at 3:29:54 PM

This show needs to be more gay. My craving for the gay won't be satisfied until there's several explicit homosexual couples. There's enough room for that, if they can already find room for heterosexual ship teasing.

edited 7th Feb '16 3:30:18 PM by Crinias

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#25248: Feb 7th 2016 at 3:30:40 PM

Also, what kind of deal is between Adam and Blake? I wont said they where a couple or something but Adam look VERY unhappy with Blake running away so is clear she means a lot to thing, but to what extent

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#25249: Feb 7th 2016 at 3:32:32 PM

[up][up] Statistically speaking, there's about a 30% chance that one of the main characters would be LGBT (9% for two which is necessary for any of those ships); a major (secondary or otherwise) character or two would be good, anything beyond that starts to become increasingly implausible.

[up] I'd say they absolutely were a couple; Adam certainly seems to think so.

edited 7th Feb '16 3:34:32 PM by CaptainCapsase

VutherA Since: Jul, 2009
#25250: Feb 7th 2016 at 3:36:04 PM

I'd say Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy doesn't fit. The trope's about shithole places filled with shitheel characters that don't inspire sympathy for viewers. Our protagonists are hardly assholes that most people wouldn't care for.

There's also the variant of the protagonists being so doomed to failure their actions are pointless, but it's been a few freakin' episodes for things to go completely not their way, that's jumping the gun for sure.


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