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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#25201: Feb 7th 2016 at 1:39:07 PM

[up] Some of Cinder's lines at least seem to imply her actions serve a Theoretically Noble Purpose (ie, agreeing with Emerald that the slaughter going around them was "almost sad", and adding that "it's horrific"), and it's very clear that she's not the mastermind, just The Dragon, but in her case I could only see Redemption Equals Death.

edited 7th Feb '16 1:41:55 PM by CaptainCapsase

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#25202: Feb 7th 2016 at 1:40:04 PM

Ozpin: Juane, you have one job; face that way and don't let any bad guys come near us.

-Five minutes and one dead girl later-

Opzin: YOU HAD ONE JOB!

FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
A Fluff Ringer
#25203: Feb 7th 2016 at 1:41:40 PM

I presume these were simply UG's. Er, unmanned and AI-controlled, at least.

And that last bot definitely looked like not a Paladin.

edited 7th Feb '16 1:42:22 PM by FergardStratoavis

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#25204: Feb 7th 2016 at 1:42:27 PM

The fast that someone put Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy on the YMMV is rather dumb to me.

The series descent into darkness has been gradual, and the fact that nobody really saw it coming is nobody's fault but thenselves.

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#25205: Feb 7th 2016 at 1:44:05 PM

[up][up][up][up]Unless Cinder plans on pulling a Nox there is no way I can imagine her being redeemed.

edited 7th Feb '16 1:45:08 PM by Cross

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#25206: Feb 7th 2016 at 1:46:29 PM

[up] We won't see a Heel–Face Turn, that much I can agree with, but given how little we know about her ultimate goal and her past, Redemption Equals Death is still on the table.

edited 7th Feb '16 1:46:38 PM by CaptainCapsase

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#25207: Feb 7th 2016 at 1:46:30 PM

edited 7th Feb '16 1:47:03 PM by CountofBleck

FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
A Fluff Ringer
#25208: Feb 7th 2016 at 1:47:30 PM

Even when saying how stuff is horrific, she seems to enjoy herself, that "don't miss what happens next" from ep 10 is almost gleeful.

I've said earlier, I'm mostly eh on possible Emerald redemption.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#25209: Feb 7th 2016 at 1:47:48 PM

[up][up] Personally, I see Emerald being the victim of a Heel–Face Door-Slam, and, down the line, maybe Redemption Equals Death for Adam or Cinder.

[up] She's had basically the same smug smile and tone of voice for the entire series up until her confrontation with Ozpin this episode, so idk if that should be taken a gleeful or just not having an My God, What Have I Done? moment like Emerald.

edited 7th Feb '16 1:52:38 PM by CaptainCapsase

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#25210: Feb 7th 2016 at 1:50:40 PM

Honestly I'm just sick of the redemption angle thanks to FT driving it into the ground. For once Adam felt like a genuine threat because he was so crazy and evil. Cinder as much as I like her has only recently become a threat I hate to love.

edited 7th Feb '16 1:51:10 PM by Mizerous

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#25211: Feb 7th 2016 at 1:51:00 PM

If anyone gets redeemed, I demand they see a therapist to work out whatever issues they might still have.

I also demand that Qrow be a certified therapist.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#25212: Feb 7th 2016 at 1:51:33 PM

Cinder, Merc, and Adam are very unlikely to have Redemption.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#25213: Feb 7th 2016 at 1:55:00 PM

[up] I would agree that nobody but Emerald is up for a proper Heel–Face Turn, but Redemption Equals Death is on the table for pretty much anyone short of a Complete Monster. IE Vader seemed (and was) pretty damn evil in the first two Star Wars movies, and everyone knows how that turned out in Return Of The Jedi.

edited 7th Feb '16 1:55:12 PM by CaptainCapsase

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#25214: Feb 7th 2016 at 1:55:09 PM

Adam is, I presume, indoctrinated from a very young age. He's not turning back.

Neither is Cinder, really.

Prany Since: Apr, 2013
#25215: Feb 7th 2016 at 1:55:41 PM

[up][up][up][up]Emerald - I... I may have issues...

Qrow raises his hand in gesture for her to be silent. He grabs a bottle out of his drawer and puts it on the table. Certified therapy ensues.

edited 7th Feb '16 1:55:59 PM by Prany

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#25216: Feb 7th 2016 at 1:57:54 PM

[up][up] That's difficult to say (about Cinder at least) when we don't even know what the ultimate goal of the villains is and barely know anything about their pasts; I strongly suspect it's going to be something at least theoretically noble in a "kill millions to save billions" kind of way, and if our heroes are able to Take a Third Option on that, some people might have second thoughts.

edited 7th Feb '16 1:58:25 PM by CaptainCapsase

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#25217: Feb 7th 2016 at 1:58:40 PM

Mercury: You know, Doc, you remind me of my father .

Qrow: Okay, now we're getting somewhere. -takes swig-

Mercury: I hated my father!

Qrow: This is progress.

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#25218: Feb 7th 2016 at 2:02:11 PM

Not that faniliar with Star Wars, but wasn't Vader only redeemed in Luke's eyes.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#25220: Feb 7th 2016 at 2:03:39 PM

[up]Luke was the only one who saw Vader killing Sidious. Leia in the original EU (not sure on current canon) had a difficult time accepting it, whereas Han did.

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BlackSunNocturne Since: Aug, 2013
#25221: Feb 7th 2016 at 2:06:16 PM

Yeah, Emerald is really the only one who's close to possibly having flags for redemption, but I dunno, I feel that it's either going to be Redemption Equals Death or Heel–Face Door-Slam.

Also, on the Vader thing: I'd like to point out that Lucas always planned on the six movies being about Anakin Skywalker's rise, fall and redemption. He just decided not to release Episode I first because he felt that no one would understand what the hell is going on.

And on his redemption: Yes, Vader was completely redeemed, not just in his son's eyes. His Force Ghost showing up at the end of Return of the Jedi should have made that apparent. [lol]

edited 7th Feb '16 2:06:41 PM by BlackSunNocturne

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#25222: Feb 7th 2016 at 2:11:02 PM

[up]Not true at all. Star Wars was going to be one movie back when ANH was being made. Vader and Anakin were initially separate people during the making of ANH and the first draft of Empire. Luke did have a sister during drafts of ESB, but it wasn't Leia. Then, during making of Empire, he was thinking about making 12 films, then 9 films. Only when the prequels were being made was when he said that "It was meant to be a six film saga" until he eventually said "I didn't say that no one can make more" when Force Awakens was announced.

I agree on the redemption part. He was at least redeemed in the eyes of a Jedi.

edited 7th Feb '16 2:11:52 PM by powerpuffbats

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#25223: Feb 7th 2016 at 2:22:57 PM

I kind of... really don't want Emerald to be redeemed. We've spent a very long time seeing that Emerald is *not a good person* in any way, shape, or form. Having her suddenly start having a conscience is just too out of left field. It doesn't feel right for her character.

edited 7th Feb '16 2:25:30 PM by DarkHunter

Crinias from The Bleak Academy Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Mu
#25224: Feb 7th 2016 at 2:24:23 PM

The only one there that shows signs of that possibiliy is Emerald, and I still want her to get a beatdown.
I think that if he survives, Roman has a minuscule chance of being redeemed. Not probable at all, but I feel like this latest episode depicted him as a guy that, while bad, didn't really choose to go along with this because he wanted to, but because he was forced to. See the "It's not that I have anything to win, it's just that I can't afford to lose!" and "You can't stop them. I can't stop them," lines, which suggest that he can't even imagine a way out of this situation by running or turning on Cinder.

Him going on about how this is 'the real world', how heroes aren't what they're cracked up to be, and how he'll survive because that's who he is, could be taken to mean that he was once hopeful and idealistic before something bad happened to him, and he had to turn to crime.

He'd still be a criminal who's done bad things, mind you, it'd be really implausible to turn him into an actual good guy. But at the very least, I think he could be persuaded to turn against Cinder, in an Evil Versus Evil situation.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#25225: Feb 7th 2016 at 2:49:22 PM

FUCK, I made a really long post and this thing decide to not post itsad ughhhhhh.

About redemption: I would said it depend, in Cinder and Adam cases it depend of how corrupt the four kindoms are and what kind of secreat Ozpin have in their disposition, so far I dont thing Adam cant be redemn but I dont thing he will die(after all, NOT all the villians have to die, you know?)

Mercury is clearly a Sumbag even with the implication of his father being a jerkass drunk, Emerald is not really that bad, I mean he argue with Mercury and upside her involment with Penny she is not THAT evil, I feel many here consider her unlikable but that is not mesurable of evilness.

And as [up] said, Roman motivation seen more in the line of "I have to jump ship into the winning side because you cant win" also he talk like a survivor, you know "I have to fight my way out and you dont, once this end I would do it again" really for being inspared in Alex from clock work orange he is anti-hero version(while Alex is pretty much a British joker)

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