RWBY General Discussion

im honestly fine with Ruby and Yang's designs. if its more of the same with them i'll be pleased, and i honestly love Ruby's messier cut. its more tomboyish and a bit more mature.

i wonder if we'll ever see a return to Weiss actually having an ice skater aesthetic (honestly i think her designs have only gotten worse with time), but her hair so needs fixed. its so awkward and bulky and is an awful mix of differing aesthetics.

i've given up on blake's design ever being good again, given that they leaned very heavily into the skin-tight bodysuit skin-tight jacket combo. but i honestly really like the bob cut, i think it suits her and it looks really good in the actual art. unfortunately, they did a really bad job at modeling it in the show, with it looking awful in volume 7 and it being just 'alright' in volumes 8 and 9.

Jaune's hair just looks awful though and i still can't believe they literally gave him Miles's haircut, its so cringe. and its a bit of a shame because i honestly loved old Jaune's hair, and think that it should have been kept in some form besides a couple white streaks.

everyone else i dont really have a strong opinion on. i like Nora's outfit so i'll be sad to see it go, i guess.

So far, we've been getting new outfits with each new arc, and I don't see why this next one would be any different. Probably Yang and Blake's new outfits will be more complementary now that they're an Official Couple. I could see Ruby going goth after the events of the last volume, maybe incorporating some elements of Summer's look as well. Weiss'll probably end up in a simpler, more functional dress than the three thus far, since I don't see the "beautiful snowflake" look working in Vacuo. In general, I think all their looks will be a little rougher, less feminine, more "wild" to reflect everything we've heard about Vacuo.

I just had a dream that was the RWBY equivalent of the old 2000's Hot Wheels movie. In it, Ruby was driving a vehicle alongside Professor Utonium from Powerpuff girls in an arctic raceway, battling a Grimm-ified version of Boros from One Punch Man who was driving a possessed/mutated monster truck.

The dream went from a deadly race across a tundra to a giant ice cavern where Ruby and Utonium had to race through the cavern before a bunch of explosive charges went off. Meanwhile they had to fire ice missiles from their cars to hit Grimm-Boros to slow him down. At a certain point Utonium's vehicle would crash and Ruby had to go back and rescue him.

All of this leading to everyone arriving at the front lobby of my local community college where I guess a final battle was supposed to happen.

Except it was like a video game where I died twice and had to keep restarting the race.

...

I will now bookmark this and keep this RWBY/Powerpuff Girls/One Punch Man crossover in my dream journal.

Edited by FOFD on May 29th 2023 at 9:20:03 AM

...I have strong opinions about virtually everything in this series, but I have few to no thoughts regarding Blake's breasts.

Edited by TwinBird on May 30th 2023 at 11:18:39 AM

i am SO with you and know exactly what you mean

like i try not to be all "wow this is so obvious a man making a woman's character design" but between the skin-tight catsuit + jacket and her chest...

Yeah, RWBY's present setting is basically a sci-fi one that is built on the remains of a High Fantasy setting. There used to be magic in that setting, but it was nuked along with most of the magic users themselves by Dark. The only remaining traces of True Magic left are Salem, Oz, the Maidens, and possibly the Silver-Eyed Warriors.

Most of my thoughts about this series since Volume 7 have been about Blake's breasts.

I suspect the secret to defeating Salem may be hidden within them.

Never thought we would ever be talking about boobs in this thread, but here we are.

While we're on the topic, Wyld, you complained about Blake's breasts specifically in that folder. How exactly do the rest of Team RWBY's chests compare to make hers in particular stand out? I apologize if the question is awkward or uncomfortable for you, but this is more out of curiosity than anything perverted. Though I'll admit that I still find this pretty embarrassing to ask.

Actually, never mind. I think the question was pretty creepy and weird, now that I think about it hours later. I apologize if I made anyone in this thread uncomfortable. I'm keeping it up (albeit stricken out) just so people know what I had said, rather than deleting it altogether. Now then, let's (hopefully) move on to a different topic.

Edited by AdtAuthor44 on Mar 11th 2024 at 12:47:07 PM

"Having it be “oh it was great until that asshole who married into the family corrupted it” feels more like a way for Weiss to not have to come to terms with the fact that her family’s wealth was built on misery. "

I think is because it need to be build on the fairy tale logic in which jaques do the role of the grandmother who is cruel in this case so he marry for the money and remake thing around it.

Issue is that weiss and blake stories SHOULD intersect but dosent so they weaken themselves because of it.

I think it comes down whether you want RWBY to be a "realistic" story aka cynical, glass half empty, down to earth - that's where you get criticism of how RWBY handles real-world issues and tackles problematic relationships and such. There's not enough depiction of racism or LGBTQIA+. Rhodes didn't do enough for Cinder and anybody with half a brain would have done more, the Schnee company was built on the back of a segregated community etc.

Or if you want to be a "fantasy" - we can fix racism if we all believe hard enough, we can defeat an immortal by trusting and loving our neighbors, the Schnee company is bad because Jacques is bad, PTSD disappears for most people in 3 to 6 months, etc.

And wherever you fall there'll never be a completely comfortable compromise.

Yeah, especially when said realism feels Ripped from the Headlines. {looks over at the rigged elections subplot over at Volume 7}

Edited by Psyga315 on May 30th 2023 at 5:43:50 AM

i think the fundamental issue is that RWBY doesn't really have any weight behind it's meaning. racism is caused by a few bad apples, minorities are accepted by people who really matter, and you can't ever give up because light will always eventually beat the darkness

it's... empty.

I do not think RWBY has ever suggested there was a 'few bad apples' situation. A large part of Atlas' issues are systemic ones that have existed ever sense the great war, they just invented newer, 'safer' ways to have the problems instead of fixing them. Rhodes shows that even some of the 'good ones' in Atlas' system were not necessarily heroic either.

"PTSD disappears for most people in 3 to 6 months, etc."

I do not think RWBY has done this either.

Edited by Snoketrope on May 31st 2023 at 12:43:38 PM

Heck, Jaune's PTSD lasted decades in the Ever After.

He kind of "fed" it through his... less-than-healthy coping mechanism, though.

And it's been pretty strongly suggested that Nick was better than Jacques in just about every way. Then again, if I understand the timeline correctly, he would have been born into a time when Faunus outside Vacuo were literally kept in cages, so maybe it's relative.

Edited by TwinBird on May 31st 2023 at 1:32:39 PM

I think it has beem shown infrequenntly

• Blake's Adam PTSD ended pretty much whem she hooked up with Yang.
• Yang stops showing side effects from losing her arm right after Vol 4.
• Ozma has been alive for centuries and has only visible trust issues, no nervous tics.
• Oscar flat out has soldiered through multiple beatings and torture and has no signs of ptsd.
• Jaume has "decades" of it, but iits pretty much been fixed by the end of the volume and its optimistic to think Rooster Teeth has the writing chops to make Jaune's s a consistent, subtle part of his character. The biggest complaint I jave fot Volume 9 is that we had all of that trauma between Ruby and Jaune explode and then get "fixed."

And all of these more or less get wrapped up in a season.

Edited by FOFD on May 31st 2023 at 5:39:24 AM

Poor oscar men, he get shot, have to stop a fall to this death, get taken by a gigant wolf-grim, get zap by evil magic(from your head ex wife) and get punch to a bloody bit by an angry dude who hate said voice inside of your head.

Like, damn buddy, that is very rought.

And then there's everything before that.

Being forced out of your home by the voice in your head, having to train to stop the bad guys from fucking your shit up only to literally walk into a trap set up by someone who said voice downright said was extremely sus, get possessed by the voice so that he can one on one a big buff dude after he brought up how his sister died after a "training mission", find out he was lying about what the lamp could do, find out his dirty laundry which involved the big bad evil guy being his evil ex and how he wasn't the first person he swindled into throwing his life away, get punched by a drunk, get his emotions drained by spooky scary skeletons, get manhandled by Jaune, go through GTA hell, and then be told that despite getting extremely assmad about being lied to, they decide to just straight up lie to an ally of theirs.

If ruby always wanted to be a hero, oscar is the one who really got the "you have a very special destinity a head" and boy it does fucking sucks

...what? If you mean romantically/sexually, it is way, way too early to say that. If you mean when they reunited in V5... no? Yang helped Blake confront him (kill him), and she's broken up afterwards. That's not "getting over it."

This one I'll give you.

...okay? No one ever said everyone had to have PTSD, especially when you've lived for millennia and had your personality constantly annealed.

Again, no one ever said everyone had to have PTSD.

Like Blake and Yang, if you did mean the romantic hookup, too early to say.

Edited by TwinBird on Jun 1st 2023 at 9:48:27 AM

not to give RWBY too much credit, but realistic depictions of PTSD are a rarity and there are basically an infinite amount of fictional works where characters should have gotten PTSD from what they've been through, but haven't.

not to mention that whether an individual suffers from PTSD from any specific event is not a guarantee.

plus... realistic depictions of trauma and getting over said trauma are rare because they're difficult and frustrating to portray. there isn't going to be a big moment of "i'm fixed now!", there's going to be a lot of backtracking and repeating yourself and having the exact same issues over and over again despite making progress. which can be frustrating to experience as a viewer when we want to see our characters (and the plot) make progress and not linger on the exact same plot point.

now that being said, i doubt Jaune's PTSD will last past volume 9 and it very much landed on a "we solved Jaune's decades-long trauma, that's his character arc!".

We don't really know that. It just wasn't a topic in Volume 9. I think the last solid reference to it we've seen was in the episode the Hound gets killed in, when Blake mentions losing the person she used to be as a child and how Ruby helped her get that person back. But Blake had a very reduced role in V8, so that talk with Ruby seems to be the point where Blake is admitting that she feels like she's returning to a better headspace than she's been in for a long time. The main focus of V9 was on Ruby and Jaune. The trigger for Bumblebee finally hooking up seems to have been Blake experiencing a taste of what losing Yang would feel like. She moves on Yang pretty fast once they reunite.

She still shows impacts from losing her arm throughout Volumes 5 and 6 as well, including during the final fight with Adam. I've seen a couple of posts from people who suffer from PTSD in real life break down what they like about the portrayal of Yang's headspace since Volume 4 and during the V6 Adam fight. They've been really interesting posts to read.

I figured out in Volume 3 that he was the Old Wizard partially because of a behavioural tic. He retreats into himself, falls silent and starts gazing out of windows. It becomes really obvious from Volume 2, where his reaction to Ironwood going behind his back results in him falling completely silent, making no attempt to either explain or defend himself and then gazing out of a window.

In the Story of the Seasons, the Old Wizard has retreated from the world so completely that he's become a recluse, hiding in a cottage that's hidden in an isolated forest, not even stepping outside the house. He just watches the world pass by through a window. And, while the four sisters helped get him out of the cottage, it's clear that the instinct to retreat and isolate himself and then watch the world pass by through a window has never gone away. It's also clear from V6 that some version of the instinct has always been a part of him because we see some troubled window-gazing from him in the run up to his confrontation with Salem, which occurs before the Old Wizard era.

After Ironwood's end-run in Volume 2, Ozpin spends almost the entire volume tucked away in his office, watching the world through his windows and his computer screens, except on the few occasions he's forced to leave the room. In Volume 5, he tells the heroes that there's no shame in turning down the mission to fight Salem, there's only shame in retreat — which is exactly what his personal stress response is; he was projecting when he said that, indicating he doesn't like that part of himself (but then, this is the man who believes he deserves to be tortured — Guilt Complex isn't healthy). When confronted in Volume 6, his trauma response is to retreat to the back of Oscar's head and just watch the world through Oscar's senses. He went full Old Wizard there — the back of Oscar's mind was the equivalent to to the cottage in the forest.

After using the nuke on the whale, Oscar's gone straight for the "troubled window-gazing" behaviour, too. As a like-minded soul, he's also displayed a little bit of the same behaviour (in Volume 4, when he's trying to convince himself that the voice in his head isn't real, he stands up from putting books on a shelf to start staring out of the window). But he goes into that behaviour hard after the whale is nuked and while the heroes are arguing in the Schnee dining room over what to do.

On top of that, we've now learned that holding the cane helps deal with the feeling of fear. Oscar reveals this at the end of Volume 7, and he admits he doesn't know if that's just him, or whether it comes from Oz (he did previously admit in Volume 5 that the cane felt comforting to hold after just a couple of weeks of owning it which he felt made him sound crazy).

Oscar has a hand/finger/fist tap quirk when he's stressed, that seems to be an Oscar trait and not an Oz trait. In Volume 8, when Oz apologises to the heroes, he's tapping his cane with a finger nervously (the Oscar stress tic) before abruptly stopping the gesture and pulling the cane closer to himself (the Oz comforter).

So, Oz definitely does have both stress behaviours. Some have been there for lifetimes, but some have come from Oscar.

Oscar's in the process of merging with someone who is in a very fragile state of mental health, so we don't really know what Oscar's state of health is. We also had a brief camera focus on some Grimm goo that landed on his cheek when the Hound first captured him and sprouted wings... and when we saw his face a moment later, the goo was gone, as if it had been absorbed. It'll be interesting to see Oscar has an emotional/mental health storyline in Volume 10 as fall out from what happened in Volume 8. We know Nora has been set up for some kind of identity storyline, so between Ren's Atlas storyline, Nora being set up for a future-volume storyline, and Team RWBY and Jaune having theirs in Volume 9, the only one left is Oscar.

As Salem said in her Volume 3 finale speech, she believes the key to her victory lies in destroying Ozpin's will to keep going, which makes Jinn's V6 — and Salem's V8 — lampshade of how he keeps going despite everything plot important; Ozpin's mental health is all that's been standing between Salem and planetary destruction for a very long time. While Salem made it clear in that speech that she was factoring Ruby into this plan, the one person who hasn't been factored in is Oscar — he's the wild card. There's a reason why I think Ren becoming The Empath may be end-game important, but that does bring us back to my long-term complaint about CRWBY's fear of spoiling things earlier than they want to; it makes them withhold things more than they probably should.

It didn't get fixed. It got recognised, acknowledged and embraced. That's the first step to take in mental health recovery. That doesn't fix you. That starts you on the right road.

Ruby is The Unchosen One. Ozcar is The Chosen One, with a massive dose of It Sucks to Be the Chosen One going on that affects Oscar in particular.

The Unchosen One is usually more important than The Chosen One. The Unchosen One almost always exists because The Chosen One either can't do it alone or can't do it at all. In this show's case, it's the former, but in stories where The Unchosen One trope is in play, it is normal for the main character to be The Unchosen One rather than The Chosen One.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Jun 2nd 2023 at 6:22:46 PM

Question for everyone:

A bunch of video examples has been added for Justice League × RWBY: Super Heroes & Huntsmen, citing the media sources as both the cross-over and RWBY, but not citing any kind of DC Comics media. It looks weird to see one parent work copied in to a crossover instead of both or neither. Does anyone know what DC media should be added to them?

Edited by Wyldchyld on Jun 3rd 2023 at 4:55:30 PM

I will said the issue here is RWBY tend to be very much plot over chararters or become that after volume 2. So need of the chararter move to the demand of plot.

Yang PTDS kinda sorta disapear when Adam was killed(or rather if exist, it wont be show offscreen) and kinda hilariously they have this funny since with blake, jaune issues probably will be gone in a sustancial manner as ruby, the only thing that have carry out over and over is bumblebee who went along for 9 fucking goddamn volumes, that is a lot.