I thought Jinn made it clear she didn’t like her artifact being abused for its Time Stands Still power (and said something to Ruby about that).
I'd fallen behind, so caught up on the last three episodes now
Even though it was really obvious Jaune was the rusted knight, Miles Luna really sold the exhaustion in his voice with his first line after taking off the helmet - that moment was really well done.
The Hawker being, presumably, perma-killed after the cat re-programmed him into holding off the Jaberwocks is grim. The cat's seeming doubt is interesting, though.
In episode 6, I enjoyed everyone's reaction to Jaune. Yang and Weiss' clear interest in his appearance was pretty funny. I also liked Weiss just accepted her fall for the pit comment. Like Wyld, I found Yang's line about taking the next step quite awkward though. Clearly written to make the intent obvious rather than the most natural wording she would use there. I'd also thought they were supposed to already be a couple from volume 6-7, lol, but it's better than this makes things absolutely clear I guess.
But man... Jaune and Ruby have both completely lost their shit, yay! I'm surprised in how far they had Ruby go in her rant, that was venomous and made it feel a lot more believable. The emotion in Luna's voice, again, was really well done. Loved having them both go off at each other and making it worse.
I also like that Jaune still seems concerned for Ruby even as he's losing his own shit (with his apology and his look when Ruby tells Blake to shut up). They feel very different in their respective breakdowns.
And now I see I'm here before Wyld's commentary for the episode. Tch.
So I rewatch the last moments and in general here is some stuff:
-The biggest problem was they lose the relic, cinder actually used well and manage to pin point EXACTLY every flaw and weak point and manage to atack it all at once. this are
-Open the jail containg james.
-Manage to free the Ace ops.
-the use of portals to free people meaning RWBY will be guiding then instead of fighting.
-Probably that the portal are one way ticket to vacou(I mean watts and cinder overhear that, not surprising between the two they pick that up, asuming they already know the specification of ambrosious).
-Once Cinder land the surprise atack everything kinda goes wrong: they cant be reinforce by Qrowand others, Winter is fighting(and losing) to james, Cinder using the terrain to her advantage by a) separating other constantly b) using the fact she can fly to over atack the other who fight in narrow spaces in a big void of "death".
-And when I said she split the other she really do that: first by Neo sneak atack that nearly take Ruby out instead did of yang, because of that Blake first decide to get payback, Neo tie down Ruby meaning she cant use the silver eyes(which given she witness her sister "death" I doubt she could at the moment) Cinder instead of obsesion with Ruby let Neo handle it and focus on the rest, for example her use explosive crystals against Weiss who must block to protect people allowing cinder to hit her, then she use a fire barrier to separate Penny from blake and kick her around and when Weiss save ruby from cinder she use a explisive crystal to hit her again.
-Gninja said Penny didnt leave but if anything it would be VERY out of chararter: Suddenly Cinder is there, people have fall, Yang "die" and the problem is that Cinder is a maiden and meaing that right now she is vastly superior to anyone there so Penny try to fight her. this is her mentality as protector of mantle working against her because Cinder cant give less of a shit about that.
At it all, RWBY plan feel like James plan with amity in a way: is a high risk high reward kinda idea, Amity plan in theory ensure james could fight Salem on his own field(the open probably with armies against Salem directed by him) while this plans rellies on RWBY moving away from Salem into safety, but have glaring flaws(the gap in the walls, the portal one way) and both were evisarate using the people against them: james was incapable of controling people and RWBY was incapable of holding off Cinder while helping the others.
Not surprising RWBY feel like this.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Ok.
I officially love Rusted Jaune. His character, just, wow. I genuinely like this. He's like a comedic, better, still sane version of Ironwood now. He's advancing the plot, mapping out an entire world, and seemingly successful at what he does. He's become the hero he always wanted to be . Pyrrha would be so proud. I mean come on, he's helping a village of highly combustible good samaritans.
Like -exhale- freaking character development.
And I love how he's more competent but the clumsiness/silliness of his character seems embodied by the paper pleasers. He's no longer the physically weakest or most pathetic, but even his most dire efforts have this tragic, comedic bent to them. Like how he tried to reach for the portal and fell, or how his entire rant at Cinder was deflected by her not even knowing who he was.
He's also officially accumulated more combat/crisis experience than all of Team RWBY combined.
EDIT: ...and more trauma. Yeeeessh the end of that. Two meltdowns in one episode. Best episode yet?
Missed all of Wyld's breakdowns but:
- I'm guessing Alyx and Neo and Ruby are all connected somehow? What's with Alyx waking up shortly before Crescent Rose appears in the intro?
- The tree is going to set Team RWBY back somehow. I didn't read the Fairy Tales of Remnant but the dramatic gravity shift seems important. Somebody's not leaving. Or maybe all of Ruby and Jaune's toxicity atm is going to be cleansed and removed by the tree when it "Rebuilds" everyone?
- Interesting how Jaune is older and has been around longer but he fell last, and Crescent Rose seemed to arrive around the time he did even though it fell... after Yang, Blake, and Neo did? The watch he activated fast forwarded time but the flow of time in Ever After is... unusual.
Edited by FOFD on Apr 2nd 2023 at 9:54:46 AM
I've only flicked through the past couple of pages, and I haven't caught up on what everyone was saying from last week's episode either, but I did spot my name, so I'll respond to that:
I wish I had the post that brought it to mind for me bookkmarked because the site's search for forum posts is terrible, I think there was a post (by Wyldchyld maybe, I know I just remember it was one of the thread regulars) about how the way they made their request after everything worked with Penny was just entirely arrogant and flippant with how they handled Ambrosisus, with Yang expressly going "Let's try the quick version, can you" and rattling off their request.
Really wish the site had a better search function so I could find the actual post from months ago
You're right, I did make a post about that. I broke down all the mistakes that Team RWBY made in their second request to Ambrosius. I don't think it's right to say they were arrogant. They got cocky and dropped their guard because of how successful the Penny request was. That came across really well at the time, and was fantastic to watch — even better with hindsight, where you could see how it all manifested in the appearance, accessibility and safety of the Central Location. Personally, I thought it was a really good piece of writing and planning by CRWBY... because they were so careful about Penny, despite the lack of sleep, the stress, the uncharted waters they were heading into. And it worked. They pulled it off. You could see, the animators did a fantastic job of showing it, the adrenaline from that success just flood them into dropping their guard for the second request — and why not? They're teenagers dealing with an insane situation, and saving Penny is their first major success beyond Oscar nuking the whale. The flood of adrenaline and relief they'd feel from that success? Guard dropped.
So, this is what I mentioned all the issues were.
- Weiss immediately says "Oh, we're not done with you yet". Fantastic piece of voice acting there, I love the way she says it, so laid-back and cocky with a sassy hand on her hip; it's very "I've got this" energy.
- Yang steps forward with "Let's try the quick version". At this point, my brain was screaming. You don't try the quick version with a being who is going to Exact Words you. The line is very important because it tells us that Weiss and Yang are deviating from the script for this request because they're so buoyed up from the first success. That's when I knew this scene was going to be fun. And it really was. And it's even more fun with hindsight, once you know how everything's gone wrong.
- So, Yang's request is "Can you make a bunch of doorways in Atlas that open at a single spot in Vacuo?" (I'm not replaying the episode, so I'm quoting from memory and might have some of the lines a little wrong).
- So, Ambrosius lists off his requirements, including needing coordinates for each door. Weiss's response? "That's about what we expected" in a wonderfully bored "been there, done that, got the t-shirt" tone of voice. They're not really listening closely to Ambrosius' words because everything is unfolding the way they want it to. Say the following in Sun's voice: They've got this! This is what I mean when I say they dropped their guard for this second request, and it's so much fun to see all the wording choices in the scene that conveys that.
- So, Weiss mentions funnelling everyone through a central location, prompting Ambrosius to ask for further information, starting with location. Cue Yang, who basically uses the vaults as the template for the location. But! Yang then says two things that keep the fun of this scene going:
- The first: "wherever they are, they're not part of Remnant — only accessible if you know the right way in". Right there, she's telling Ambrosius that the only way into the Central Location can be the doorways. If anyone reaches a doorway, they can enter the Central Location, regardless of who they are. But if you can't reach a doorway, there's no way in for you. So, here's the first thing: the villains can enter. There is no attempt to design a filter for doors that could lock certain people out from entering through the doors — a magical equivalent of a facial recognition scanner or some other kind of anti-villain security measure that could be blueprinted (and which would make better use of Cinder's gratuitous evil cloak moment — which made her stand out like such a sore thumb).
- The second: "Seems like a safe enough place to me". The assumption of safety. Not only do we have the all-access doorways, but those flat floors and paths with no barriers? There is no safety consideration in this request at all.
- "You kids are either smarter... or much more foolish than you realise." At this point in the episode, I was cackling like an evil witch, remembering my roleplay days when I was evil GM inflicting Exact Words consequences on my players. Have I said yet that this scene is one of my all time favourite scenes in the entire show? I don't gush much, but this scene is so well put together that... yeah, I'm gushing.
- Ambrosius asking for a reference. Weiss? "Oh, we've got one." So casual, so confident. She whips out the blueprints (that Whitley found for them). But we can see what they are, and what the core problem of those blueprints are. The first is Atlas Military HQ. In fact, it's the room they tube into from Snowshoe Shipping. The rest of the blueprint, and the second, is the pneumatic tube system that travels all through the kingdom for dust transport. Now, the single biggest problem with the blueprints? They're 2D. So, the blueprint of the room... it's just a floor. The maps of the tube system? They're 2D representations of the pipes. What does that give us without any qualification? A flat platform with no sides and a bunch of flat paths with no sides. Ambrosius grinned when he saw the blueprints. So did I.
- Don't get me wrong, the Central Location was a beautiful set, but while I'd had a little voice in the back of my head suggesting that perhaps I was being too harsh on the wording, perhaps the writers won't be this evil... the second I saw what Ambrosius had created, I knew I wasn't being picky with the wording. This scene was well-planned. The wording was well-executed. I think the writers had an absolute ball constructing the dialogue for Yang and Weiss in this request.
- At this point, the Central Location has been created and finished. Ambrosius hasn't told Team RWBY this yet. At this point, the Vacuo door is actually two-way. We see Joanna enter as Weiss utters the fateful sentences. "People enter from Atlas and Mantle on one side, and leave on the other side with a one-way ticket to Vacuo." Weiss is completing the sentence as Joanna turns to leave. So, Joanna doesn't see it, and no-one else does either. The Vacuo door flashes. That's Ambrosius changing the door right in front of our eyes to accommodate the one-way ticket instruction. Like a glitch in the Matrix.
- There's one last bit, which we don't hear about until the next episode. And that's Oscar explaining the intended location of the Vacuo door: "outside the city limits of Vacuo; enough space for refugees, but still within range of communication". Here's the problem: we know that, when the CCT is down, kingdom-wide communication still exists. So, being outside the city limits, but still in communication, could be anywhere within in the kingdom that's in range of a relay tower. So, we'll have to see whether the refugees are in the middle of the desert, or right next to the city, but just couldn't see it because of the sandstorm.
Anyway, that was the second request. Like I said, it's one of my all-time favourite scenes in the show. I think attitude, body language, tone of voice, dialogue were all extremely well put-together to create the Central Location we ended up with... which allowed so much to go so wrong.
But, what I would say is that if anyone's focussing on this scene as being the reason why things went so wrong in the Central Location, I don't think that's quite right. Yes, it's a contributing factor, but there were a number of reasons for why things turned out the way they did and not all of it was because of the dialogue and blueprints of the second request.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Apr 2nd 2023 at 8:57:54 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.![]()
I don't think the watch fast-forwarded time - I think it rewound it, causing Jaune to be thrown decades into the past of the ever after, thus making him the first person there.
Because he's there when Alyx arrives, and goes home, and writes the book that becomes a fairy tale by RWBY's time.
The reason he arrived first is, I'd assumed, because he specifically spurned himself forward to try and reach crescent rose.
The clock rewound time around Jaune, and he didn't arrive first, when time is rewinding you can actually see the little colored comets of the others who fell going back up, he was at the beach the same as them, but he landed at a different spot and just happened to wander away from RWBY and found the time tree instead
"We'll meet again" | 🏳️⚧️I do think it would be really hard for the gang to create a way to vet the people coming through the portals. Because Ambrosius would need a reference, right? The gang would need to show him how this facial recognition and scanning process would work.
And also, no matter what they tried, Cinder would know about it.
Kaze ni Nare!![]()
Given how I read a lot of accusation fics back in the day, this felt right at home to me... Even nostalgic.
Imagine if Jackass Genie is like "Welp, Blake was a White Fang member and the White Fang allied with Salem".
Edited by Psyga315 on Apr 3rd 2023 at 12:25:12 PM
Ever After really is Therapy Land, in that it's tailored such that the biggest threat is their own personal issues and the realm responds and manifests things in so many ways. And while you can actively refuse to cooperate ala Jaune, it really does seem like facing those central things is necessary to progress and possibly get home.
Removing Ruby from the immediate crisis has removed the one coping mechanism she had, which was to keep pushing forward. To stay in crisis mode, which from a personal standpoint I can tell you is legit how so many people working in Emergency or Combat situations function. You shove down everything to deal with the immediate problem, not letting yourself really feel until later on. And man is it a crash, when you no longer have things that need to be done to distract you.
And unfortunately, it's also very common to not....really recognize the signs and realize someone is struggling. The "they seemed fine" thing, where you're used to someone being the reliable or stable or cheerful one, and kind of taking it for granted. Because it really is common to have a cluster of breakdowns, several people going through it at once and one person being more or less vocal about it. You see the one shouting and screaming, making it easier to miss the one that is holding everything in until they can't hold it in anymore and explode.
Like for real I often think about some of the shit CRWBY has been through, and how that probably informs the writing on the show. Monty's passing was strangely-timed for when they planned for things to go to hell and to have an arc centered on Loss. And then again, writing for this volume during some incredibly trying times. It makes me wonder just how much those things have shaped and informed the story.
With Ironwood the only reason RWBY got that desperate was because Ironwood forced the issue. Whitley's plans with the bullheads would have worked if he hadn't shot them down, and as mentioned earlier the evacuation was well under way when he decided to end it (not because the radar indicated Salem was coming but because he saw the chess piece), meaning that he was basically leaving 90% of the population to burn for no real reason then because he panicked and considered them expendable.
It's also worth noting that he was willing to disobey HIS superiors and keep secrets from them (a soldier is supposed to obey civilian leadership; Ironwood didn't do that and so failed his duty as a soldier.) As a huntress Ruby didn't HAVE to tell him anything and was not beholden to him. So she had a reason to keep things secret whereas Ironwood didn't have any legal grounds.
In other notes, totally called that Ruby was going to snap, but still think that learning about Penny's death and Juane being the killer should have been the spark. Having her learn offscreen that Juane did it at her request seems very....anti climactic.
I do hope as well that the ratings are good enough that the show continues (though with David Zaslav nothing's certain).
Edited by LordYAM on Apr 3rd 2023 at 6:39:38 AM
Wouldn't work though, because you have to actually conceptually explain how such a restriction would actually work using examples, schematics and instructions.
Like to start, how do you define "ally of Salem?" How does the staff define that if left unchecked? Did you just end up dooming a chunk of Mantle because sorry but all of them were friends with Sally 'Salem' Jones and this is a no Salems allowed club?
If Ambrosius was that much of an Asshole Genie and needed things that specific then logically nobody should have been allowed through the gates without a full breakdown of human anatomy and a rundown on quantum physics.
Blue naked genie effectively moved an entire city's population's worth of matter through a pocket dimension hundreds of thousands of kilometers to another continent, not having to factor in the people involved or any of the science fiction of teleportation.
...though I guess in Remnant that would just be physics.
Edited by FOFD on Apr 3rd 2023 at 12:35:33 PM
The portals worked because RWBY gave him clear examples of how they wanted it (doors like the vault ones, in-between space like the vault, layout like the SDC pipes, exact coordinates of where they wanted entrances and exit). To block someone you have to actually give him an example of how it works which...doesn't exist.
Like this is t about him being an asshole genie, it's that his job is to actually create what someone else thought up. It's not his job to come up with a solution to someone's problem, he's just the contractor who builds the thing.
If Ambriosus was really a Jackass Genie, RWBY's plan would have backfired far harder. He's just a Literal Genie, and he states as much when they first meet him.
Edited by badtothebaritone on Apr 3rd 2023 at 10:02:22 AM

And also, we don't know how long Ambrosius would just let them screw around in stopped time. The relics aren't supposed to be used that way, and Jinn seemed to allow it that one time only because she personally liked Ruby. I doubt they could bank on Ambrosius just letting them brainstorm for several hours.
Edited by GNinja on Apr 1st 2023 at 4:07:03 PM
Kaze ni Nare!