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RebelFalcon ULTRANumb from ... (Private)
#75326: Mar 26th 2022 at 8:04:20 PM

[up]And faith is suddenly restored.

Rodimus: Self-sacrifice, Magnus— It's cheap. It's a cheap way out. I need to live so I can make amends.
bandersnitch Since: Aug, 2016
#75327: Mar 26th 2022 at 8:13:48 PM

Isn't penning the show his actualy job in the story. Like the premise and the concept are from him. Though Towa as the writer is just as hardcore as Urobochi.

Anyway, I saw a comment that mentioned that Yang's new outfit heavily resembles Vernal's. This might have implications.

MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#75330: Mar 27th 2022 at 5:51:35 AM

Weiss going to Atlas really shouldn't affect that much.

Winter made a point about how much Weiss sucked and Port made it a point that she'd suck as a team leader.

So her becoming Esdeath-lite will be interesting. And apparently making Raven a better mom.

Edited by FOFD on Mar 27th 2022 at 8:51:48 AM

DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#75331: Mar 28th 2022 at 12:58:33 AM

Trailer for the Queendom show.

Lokks interesting.

Edited by DeanCole on Mar 28th 2022 at 1:01:05 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#75332: Mar 28th 2022 at 1:03:14 AM

It uhhh isn't up anymore.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#75333: Mar 28th 2022 at 1:16:28 AM

[up]Still playing for me.Dont know what to tell you.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#75334: Mar 28th 2022 at 7:25:41 AM

This sounds interesting but I feel like I've rewatched/seen Volume 1's events/basic ideas remixed a few too many times.

The excitement of this should be the what-if portion (which itself feels weird because it doesn't feel like the franchise has been around long enough to make a what-if enticing the way Marvel and DC have) and the parts we haven't seen.

We already have an idea of the nail being Weiss's development/abandoning Team RWBY but the trailer is just showing us Volume 1 re-done with a hint of Weiss's perspective which... doesn't feel necessary or evoke much. I didn't really want or need Volume 1 re-animated like Fate Stay Night. There wasn't much going on in Volume 1 and doing a slow burn to Weiss's departure when the series proper already did that for three to four volumes is a weird choice.

Compare this to Marvel's what-if - you already know what happened, the audience isn't stupid, so the exposition can be handled in the first 2-5 minutes. Even when they did re-do one of the movies (Iron Man 1 and 2) it was specifically to show the differences with Killmonger being involved.

So I hope the trailer is just holding back and they cut through the minutiae quickly. I seem to recall part of the interview saying they were going to gradually change things which, really, doesn't sound like a good idea for an obviously expensive production that may or may not be followed up on.

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#75335: Mar 28th 2022 at 8:58:06 AM

I do not think it will be just a what if thing, its possible but the Evidence we have makes it way more likely it will be a sort of Crossing worlds thing.

Partially because of what I said earlier and Rebel added on, if Weiss were to go down a darker path it should take longer then a season for her to become a Dictator, not to mention it would take awhile for her to get the Means to.

Plus a tweet about it said how there would be new plots but also 'New Settings', which would be odd if it were just following the show but then a twist occurs. As the world itself would not change much

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bandersnitch Since: Aug, 2016
#75336: Mar 28th 2022 at 11:08:29 AM

Or it means, we'll see places we haven't been before. Like Atlas city of which we saw just the bare Minimum. Or Haven. Or the majority of the continents.

It was also never said that Weiss will become ruler by the end of the season. For all we know, that is just her outfit as an official of the Atlas Academy and the SDC.

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#75337: Mar 28th 2022 at 4:35:30 PM

The Show is called Ice Queendom and she is depicted in the Teaser on a throne in front of an Army of Giant Robots

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Ryno_v Since: Dec, 2017
#75338: Mar 28th 2022 at 5:49:25 PM

Some news about RWBY Ice Queendom [1]

it's not an alternative universe or a reboot, it's canon adjacent

the first two episodes will recap V1 and V2

episodes will follow traditional anime runtimes

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#75339: Mar 28th 2022 at 6:04:05 PM

"Canon adjacent" could just be them covering their behinds in case people don't like it. People are a lot more forgiving when it's a "spin-off."

So the first 2 episodes are recap and then there's a "shift" into a bold new adventure that "could happen in the world of RWBY."

I could be endlessly cynical about what I want this to be instead of accepting it for what it is, but I guess I'm just going to have to wait and see what this turns into.

Besides for what we have seen it looks gorgeous.

Edited by FOFD on Mar 28th 2022 at 9:31:55 AM

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#75340: Mar 28th 2022 at 6:59:11 PM

"First, the world of RWBY: Ice Queendom is NOT an alternate universe or a reboot. While the story is set in the same universe as the main show, we’re calling it “canon adjacent”. The new show is incredibly faithful to the original, while also taking some fun new liberties to switch things up a bit. The first two episodes of RWBY: IQ will recap V1 - V2 before kicking things off into a bold new adventure, full of new characters, new settings, new surprises, and (of course) new Grimm. Not only that, but you’ll also see a ton of familiar faces, too. While changes made to the existing RWBY content are not technically considered canon, it's a story that absolutely could exist alongside other RWBY content — we just wanted the Japan team to be able to have as much fun with it as they wanted. Now as to what the story of the show is all about….well you’ll just have to wait and see!"

Okay so I think that confirms it wont be a simple 'If Weiss went bad' thing. It sounds like it will be something like the DC Crossover, clearly its very Unlikely that the events of this happen and then it never gets brought up, but theoretically the events of the show could happen after its over.

Edited by Snoketrope on Mar 28th 2022 at 7:11:15 AM

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Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#75341: Mar 28th 2022 at 8:27:04 PM

[up]Soo it's a What If? How's that different than an AU?

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
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#75342: Mar 28th 2022 at 8:53:31 PM

I'm just going to wait until it's out and then figure out how it does or does not fit into canon.

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#75343: Mar 28th 2022 at 9:25:49 PM

Basically, it has the team go out on a side adventure that maybe could have happened in the Beacon Arc, and by the end of it the events of the show would seemingly happen as in Canon. Whereas a What if would permanently change the Status quo and such

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#75344: Mar 29th 2022 at 10:45:46 AM

But why can't they just say it's "non-canon?"

Cross (Don’t ask)
#75345: Mar 29th 2022 at 11:06:26 AM

Probably think that would be a turn-off for some people.

Psyga315 Since: Jan, 2001
#75346: Mar 29th 2022 at 1:01:57 PM

Much like how a "reboot" would turn off fans (or even make them aggressive if they correlate it with a rewrite)

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#75347: Mar 29th 2022 at 6:42:46 PM

But why can't they just say it's "non-canon?"

I suspect it's because saying it's "non-canon" might sound to their Japanese counterparts like they're disrespecting their creative choices, and they might be afraid of de-legitimising the story to non-Japanese viewers who are invested in the original version. I watched the live panel with the Japanese voice actresses, and posted a summary over the page here of what was said. One thing that came through clearly from that live session was that this anime is not being marketed at just Japanese audiences — they're actually trying to capture the non-Japanese audiences, as well. That's not common for anime studios to do — they usually take a very "Japanese first" approach when it comes to targeting demographics. So, CRWBY is probably going to be very cautious about not wanting to be seen as saying anything that could make people think that the anime is somehow "inferior", which describing it as "not canon" would do in the eyes of some people.

From the very brief comments that were made them, Kerry and Eddy make it sound like CRWBY were "supervisors". Kerry all but said it's the anime studio's story and heavily hinted that the studio has full creative liberty within whatever "RWBYness" boundary exists — their job was to advise on how to make the story and characters "RWBY" rather than just "inspired by RWBY". I described it over the page as coming across as wanting to be as authentically RWBY as an AU story can be; here they're going "canon adjacent", which I think means the same thing — it's not canon, but it shouldn't be dismissed either. It's a genuine RWBY show, but it'll sit alongside the main show rather than being a part of it (like, for example, the novels are). The voice actresses also indicated that using Volume 1 is a way of settling everyone into the show — both new watchers and people who watch the original — before they kick off the story they want to tell; so it's very much not a rehash of the Beacon Arc, so much as the Beacon Arc is being used to launch the story.

In a sense, it's the same decision CRWBY made for the original show. Volumes 1-3 were the "settle in and set up" stage, with the main story kicking off from Volume 4. The difference is that CRWBY's budget was so small back then, we had 4-15 minute episodes. This is a proper anime format, so we can expect proper anime episode run-times of 20-25 minutes long (sometimes anime are 30 minutes). They could breeze through Volume 1 in just an episode or two, and if they're covering Volume 2 as well, they could probably do the same. The voice actresses made it clear that the stuff being shown in the trailer is deliberately avoiding spoilers. The voice actresses also said that there isn't as much Blake and Yang in the trailer (as Ruby and Weiss) because of spoilers they're not allowed to talk about.

One thought I had about the "canon adjacent" idea and whether Marvel is a good way of thinking about it is the observation that, for Marvel (at least the MCU) there's a difference between multiple universes and multiple dimensions. We were introduced to multiple dimensions through the first Dr. Strange film, whereas the multi-verse kicked off with (sort of) Endgame, but especially what came after. Basically, sliding through dimensions means you're in the same universe, you're just exploring the different layers of it. Moving through the multi-verse, however, means actually moving through different universes.

So, "canon adjacent" could be either of those things, or even a mixture of those things. For example, the trailer for the second Dr. Strange film is giving me a "both" vibe. We have this World Tree idea introduced at the end of Volume 8, and the Fairy Tales book made it clear there are multiple planes and realms that the Old God could explore. At the same time, it seemed like one universe was being discussed, which might suggest that either both the planes and realms are akin to the Marvel dimensions, or that the planes are akin to the Marvel dimensions and the realms are akin to the Marvel multi-verse.

What's therefore going to interest me is if we see any common elements occur between the anime's storyline and the Volume 9 detour.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Mar 29th 2022 at 7:04:44 AM

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bandersnitch Since: Aug, 2016
#75348: Mar 30th 2022 at 4:34:09 AM

I think when he said it's not an AU, he meant that the world and characters haven't changed, and not how in comics (I presume since I don't read them) an AU is usually something along the lines of "What if Superman was a jerkass or born in Nazi Germany". So, an AU would be what if Weiss wasn't rich, or what if she were a Faunus or what if Ozpin was actually evil and Salem good.

From the way I understood it, it seems that this will be treated similar to the routes in Fate/Stay Night. In those routes, the starting point is the same, but one of the events plays out differently (mostly based on luck or decisions that had to be made within seconds). The characters act accordingly to this change, which leads to a domino effect where events play out differently and different things are revealed. All routes are equal and none are inferior or superior (at least from a narrative point, quality-wise is a different matter).

Basically, the Beacon arc starts out the same as in the web series but something happens that is different from the web series. This will lead to other events playing out differently and railroad the Beacon arc into a different direction and from then, give us a new story. But characters will still react to events in a canon-manner. They won't act (in theory at least) out of character. If we see new settings and characters, like for example an Atlesian Night Club, Watts' secret lab or for example Ironwood's parents, then those places and characters exist in the web series as well. We just didn't see them. Likewise, if we find out how Ironwood lost his body parts, or how Adam got branded, then, those reveals are also canon.

As stated before, I think the first domino piece to fall will be Weiss' inability to accept Ruby as a leader and possibly Blake's involvement with the White Fang. This will result in the V1 finale to play out differently. Perhaps, Blake will not be as trusting as she was in V2 or perhaps not even return at all. Or perhaps, the search for Roman and the Mountain Glenn arc won't happen, and the Breach will happen as it was originally planned. Something, I really hope is that whatever changes happen, it will lead to Salem being unable to be as direct as she was from V3 on and sit on the back burner. As V7/V8 showed, the Salem-Ozma-conflict imo is like a black hole that absorbs any other kind of conflict and plot without letting those breathe properly.

Edited by bandersnitch on Mar 30th 2022 at 4:37:48 AM

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#75349: Mar 30th 2022 at 12:14:31 PM

LOL the Memes

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#75350: Mar 30th 2022 at 2:21:42 PM

Its just... we're in a world where people justify saying "grimbright" and "unironically."

But we've taken the phrase "non-canon" and decided that its psychologically offputting.

And even assuming that is, in fact, the case, the solution was to use "canon adjacent." Which, I mean, look at us debating what exactly that means.

So.instead of overcomplicating it we could just call it "non-canon."

But the audience at large would find that offputting.

Why are we like this :/

-misanthropy intensifies-

Edited by FOFD on Mar 30th 2022 at 5:22:13 AM


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