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Altris Exit, pursued by a bag Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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Jun 23rd 2020 at 5:38:56 PM

So Mercury’s technically The Soulless? Or does he have a soul and it just can’t manifest as a Semblance?

“With all our years gone by, I send you truest love, a bond untouched by time...”
harostar Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Jun 23rd 2020 at 5:45:12 PM

[up] He has a functional Aura, but his Semblance was "stolen". We don't know if that means literally taken from him or simply locked away.

unknowing from somewhere..
Jun 23rd 2020 at 5:50:03 PM

Which it make you think what exactly is his semblence, super speed? super kick?.

I think penny is going to stay and rebuil atlas or mantle(maybe both) and pass the staf to Ruby, in part to avoid cast bloat, in part to complete penny kinda pseudo arc as protector of mantle, in part to avoid having a member to powerfull in the team.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
RebelFalcon Officially out of fucks to give from Do you care? Relationship Status: Mu
Officially out of fucks to give
Jun 23rd 2020 at 6:03:20 PM

[up]That still leaves her vulnerable to Salem and Cinder since they want the Maiden powers too. It's the entire reason why Raven was thought to be an idiot for taking the Spring Maiden into her tribe, since just by virtue of being in proximity to a Maiden makes you their target.

Plus, why would Penny give the Staff to Ruby? If the Staff is removed, Atlas is gonna come crashing down. Unless you're saying Salem is gonna force her to open the Vault, and yet Penny is gonna somehow grab the Staff, bolt, and then give it to Ruby, which is just as dumb as Penny just staying behind period.

And cast bloat? Really? This is an Ensemble Cast, one more character isn't gonna make it that much harder. With Penny the counts goes from 10 to 11, and as previously established, some characters will just take a back seat rather than be constantly in focus. It's no different than what they're already doing.

And her greater arc is both proving she's a real girl, which she has, and being the defender of Remnant, not just Mantle/Atlas. By staying behind for reconstruction she's not defending the world while the real fight is going on elsewhere, she's just staying to rebuild, and they don't necessarily need her to stay behind when they already have the Happy Huntresses and the Ace-Ops.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Jun 23rd 2020 at 9:05:58 AM

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Jun 23rd 2020 at 6:54:37 PM

[up] I don't think that's her arc. She is still the protector of Mantle, and I think the one thing everyone in this thread can agree on is that Mantle is about to have several square kilometers of someone else's hubris fall on their heads. When that happens, she can't just leave, no matter how useful she'd be to the remainder of Remnant.

Pretty sure the bad guys are going to have the Staff when the smoke clears, though.

Edited by TwinBird on Jun 23rd 2020 at 9:59:24 AM

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Jun 23rd 2020 at 7:24:10 PM

If Mantle is completely destroyed (which I find doubtful, but it's definitely a real possibility), then Penny will leave with RWBY to Vacuo. What I find more likely is that Atlas will be destroyed (at minimum it will be grounded), rich and poor alike will have to return to Mantle, and Penny will stay behind as the Protector of Mantle. She'll return to the story whenever everyone else does, presumably in the final battle.

RebelFalcon Officially out of fucks to give from Do you care? Relationship Status: Mu
Officially out of fucks to give
Jun 23rd 2020 at 7:36:07 PM

[up][up]

One day, it will be my job to save the world. But I still have a lot left to learn.
When the General first challenged us to find the next breakthrough in defense technology, most of my colleagues pursued more obvious choices. I was one of the few who believed in looking inward for inspiration.
The world criticized us for making a weapon disguised as a young girl when Penny fell, but now... there's something about a bright young robot girl protecting the people with a gung ho attitude and cheery demeanor that restores hope.
So far everything has pointed to the idea that Penny was created to be a weapon to save the world, its just that after the Fall of Beacon and Ironwood became hyper-focused on Atlas, she was repurposed to be the "Protector of Mantle". But that the "thinktank" Pietro, Watts, and Will were apart of had a single goal: create something to protect Remnant. And it was being passed over in favor of Pietro that was Watts' Start of Darkness.
But you must understand... Pietro's "life's" work stands apart from ours. Arthur, we made killing machines. He... made a soul. It was our loss, clear and simple.
[up]At the moment, Atlas is directly above Mantle still, and Mantle is half-evacuated already. So it seems likely that the idea is Atlas will fall on top of Mantle. In a way it would reflect the Titan Atlas: Atlas was punished for siding with the Titans being being forced to hold the sky apart from Gaia. Mantle is Gaia and Atlas is the sky. So when Atlas is removed, the sky will come crashing down on Gaia.

Narrative, the idea of Mantle being evacuated makes it more likely it will be destroyed since there will be less casualities from being crushed, and instead the causalities will largely be just from people who don't survive the crash. Mantle was always overshadowed by Atlas after the Great War, and now it will quite literally be overshadowed by Atlas, shortly before being crushed. Any survivors would then be left in the ruins of Atlas and be forced to flee for their lives across Solitas, either being evacuated by the Ace Ops and the Happy Huntress' to the coast and fleeing to other kingdoms, or forced to set up camps and hope they don't die of hypothermia.

That's another thing after all. The reason the Siege of Mantle even happened was because the Heating Grid was shut down by Watts. If Atlas falls, with it goes the controls for the Heating Grid. And since the cold of Solitas can kill you in a matter of hours without projected aura or additional heating, any stragglers would likely die from hypothermia before they can get the Heating Grid up again, especially if having to deal with the Grimm at the same time.

I'm starting to consider the idea we may be looking at flat out genocide for Atlas & Mantle.

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harostar Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Jun 23rd 2020 at 8:35:39 PM

Looking at the concept artwork and some screenshots, Atlas doesn't actually float directly over Mantle. It seems to be anchored over its original location, the crater where Oscar landed.

Thematically, the kingdoms have each had to face their flaws.

Vale was seen by the others as complacent, as the safest kingdom because of its natural defenses. It ended up being brought down by human actions, just like Vale ended the previous war.

Mistral is established as being extremely racist towards the Faunus, to the point Velvet was afraid of people from that kingdom. Lionheart was installed at Haven to serve as a rallying point for race relations, and ended up failing. But Haven ends up being saved, thanks to the intervention of the Faunus militia led by the Belladonnas.

Atlas is extremely proud, seeing itself as the "greatest kingdom" and have a pretty blatant example of inequality in terms of the duality of Atlas and Mantle. Likely, Atlas will end up being humbled, brought back to earth and forced to return to its roots. Without their climate controlled barrier and comfortable existences living in luxury, the people of Atlas will be forced to rely upon the people of Mantle who are used to living rough and surviving their harsh kingdom.

Jun 23rd 2020 at 8:42:56 PM

[up] I noticed that, too, but if the Staff is taken, I doubt they'll fall neatly into their footprint, and even if they did, I doubt Mantle would be unharmed. If nothing else, it would be strange thematically; once Atlas suffered for Mantle's excesses, and ever since Mantle has suffered for Atlas's, and they'll suffer one last time.

Actually, now that I think about it, there is a missing piece to all this: Amity Tower. That could explain how Penny takes on her role of "saving the world" while staying in Mantle. Her Maiden powers might somehow replace the Staff.

Edited by TwinBird on Jun 23rd 2020 at 11:46:45 AM

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Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii
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Jun 23rd 2020 at 9:42:15 PM

Speaking of Amity...

I have a theory Cinder Merc and Emerald put something in it that would be helpful to Salems plans later and that's what Watts was trying to get in his fight with Ironwood.

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RebelFalcon Officially out of fucks to give from Do you care? Relationship Status: Mu
Officially out of fucks to give
Jun 24th 2020 at 1:50:55 AM

[up][up]How would that even work? The Staff keeps Atlas floating because its effectively a Perpetual Motion Machine, and endless battery. It's why the cover story was that they were using a metric fuckton of Gravity Dust. Maiden powers meanwhile are just Elemental Powers, so the closest they could come to something similar would be if Penny kept discharging lightning into a generator, or they had a turbine generator and she just kept moving it with wind.

At that point, it would be easier to just actually use Gravity Dust.

I'm a Falcon, not Faction. Like Shun from ARC-V. My Servants.
Jun 24th 2020 at 2:05:15 AM

[up] Who knows? Have we established this at all? We've seen that a "fully realized Maiden" is terrifying. Remember, the plan was to just feed the thing Dust. If Penny sticks around in Mantle, why shouldn't she be able to keep it up there, even subconsciously? Especially with the Magitek ubiquitous on Remnant, and especially in Atlas, it doesn't seem unlikely Pietro could find a way.

(Just to be clear, I'm talking about keeping Amity afloat, not Atlas.)

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RebelFalcon Officially out of fucks to give from Do you care? Relationship Status: Mu
Officially out of fucks to give
Jun 24th 2020 at 2:39:05 AM

Amity has no issue floating on its own though, and is rather lower priority at this point compared to the other shit going on. And Pietro setting something up doesn't seem likely considering he's pretty much a dead man walking and liable to get swallowed by Monstro.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Jun 24th 2020 at 5:39:57 AM

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Jun 24th 2020 at 4:58:03 AM

..."Amity has no issue floating on its own"? They can't launch it high enough to orbit on its own, and Ironwood's plans to power it at weak gravity are a wash - that was basically the entire plot of V7, bar the Trump allegory.

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RebelFalcon Officially out of fucks to give from Do you care? Relationship Status: Mu
Officially out of fucks to give
Jun 24th 2020 at 5:31:48 AM

[up]I'm saying they don't need Penny to make Amity float. The Gravity Dust plan wasn't even considered a failure, they were still fine tuning it when Robyn finally got fed up with them stealing from Mantle's walls. Penny won't be able to replace anything that's necessary for Amity Tower since it still needs proper adjustments to go into the Atmosphere. Aside from that though, it is fine floating under its own power. It is quite literally just floating there on the outskirts of Atlas airspace.

I'm a Falcon, not Faction. Like Shun from ARC-V. My Servants.
Jun 24th 2020 at 6:53:06 AM

If anything, they need to keep Penny far away from the door. A Maiden opening the Vault door is why they had to go to Atlas in the first place and I don't think they'd like to carry another Grimm attracting Relic.

RebelFalcon Officially out of fucks to give from Do you care? Relationship Status: Mu
Officially out of fucks to give
Jun 24th 2020 at 6:58:11 AM

Exactly. It's better that, the moment it looks like Atlas is a lost cause, they grab Penny and drag her away if need be then bolt for Sanus. Protecting people may be their job as huntsmen, but they will need to acknowledge a losing battle when it rears its head. And while Ironwood's idea of fleeing into the atmosphere sucked, fleeing in general may be necessary. And making sure Salem can't get the Staff is ultimately more important. They can save who they can, but afterwards they need to get Penny off Solitas. And to make sure Salem can't get to the Staff, they can't let Penny return to Solitas until she's beaten. Taking Penny with them isn't just a good idea, its a necessity if they don't want Salem getting a second Relic, since to their knowledge, Cinder is still one of Salem's agents, meaning from their perspective Salem now has the Lamp. So they need to get Penny as far from Solitas as they can.

That should be a standard rule in all honesty. The Maidens should never be left on the same continent as their Relic. Summer should never remain in Vacuo, Winter should never remain in Atlas, Fall should never remain in Vale, and Spring should never be in Mistral. Keep them as far away from each other as possible so that, even if Salem gets her hands on one, they won't be able to just go right for the other.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Jul 18th 2020 at 12:19:11 PM

I'm a Falcon, not Faction. Like Shun from ARC-V. My Servants.
Jun 24th 2020 at 9:30:45 AM

I got inspired to ask this after seeing a post on tumblr. Would Pyrrha have fit in with the Ace-Ops?

Shyhero Aspiring Lit RPG writer from Sofa Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
Aspiring Lit RPG writer
Jun 24th 2020 at 9:37:38 AM

When the torment happened both me and a friend were going through ore own dark chapters. He tried to talk me into taking him into suicide over even the slightest thing wrong. When that thing was Penny it was the last thing we spoke of I cut all ties with him.

I never saw the episodes for myself until the summer of either last year or the year before I can't remember real-world timelines anymore.

Anyway, I think I'm the only fan who doesn't like Ren x Nora. Nora is my favorite character and I like to put Neo in Leather Pants.

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
Jun 24th 2020 at 10:48:02 AM

...well, sorry to hear that

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Shyhero Aspiring Lit RPG writer from Sofa Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
Aspiring Lit RPG writer
Jun 24th 2020 at 11:37:33 AM

For a while, Yang appeared in my dreams a lot. Strangely with a serous Nuka Cola quantum problem.

Anyway, I love that Penny is back she's so cute. Too bad Harriet is evil.

unknowing from somewhere..
Jun 24th 2020 at 1:43:12 PM

first of all, penny is that she is the protector from Mantle, I dont think she is going to abandon that place after what happen.

I think Atlas is ether going to be destroy or be place in the ground, and if that happen it would be "humble" and people will need to be there and Penny will be that someone.

And yes, cast bloat, we already have issue with chararter being push the background, adding Penny would make the cast bigger and have issue of preveting her in fight the moment she activtive her maiden powres.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
harostar Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Jun 24th 2020 at 2:05:03 PM

A really good point, Rebel. It really does seem like with all the precautions to protect the Relics and the Maidens, Ozpin would have prioritized keeping them away from their respective Vaults. Instead, it seems like his group actively kept the Maidens near such as keeping Amber at Vale (instead of say, sending her to Atlas for care) and having the previous Spring trained at Haven.

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
Jun 24th 2020 at 2:05:14 PM

Sense we now have a franchise page for RWBY, should we make a YMMV page for the franchise?

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RebelFalcon Officially out of fucks to give from Do you care? Relationship Status: Mu
Officially out of fucks to give
Jun 24th 2020 at 3:12:04 PM

At this point I'm tired of arguing. I've made my stance clear, you've made yours. Let's just wait till Volume 8 ends to find out.

And this is just about the Cast Bloat argument in general rather than just for Penny, but need I remind everyone of Red vs. Blue? Let's count how many main characters they've had, and how many they still have. * means deceased. # means no longer main.

  • Leonard Church/The Alpha*
  • Michael J. Caboose
  • Lavernius Tucker
  • "Sarge"
  • Dexter Grif
  • Richard Simmons
  • Franklin Delano Donut
  • Lopez La Pesado
  • Frank "Doc" DuFresne
  • Agent Texas/Allison Church/Beta*
  • Kaikaina "Sister" Grif
  • Agent "Washington" David
  • Epsilon/Leonard Church*
  • ε Tex*
  • Agent "Carolina" Church
  • Vanessa Kimball#
  • Dylan Andrews#
  • "Jax Jonez"#
18 main characters, and of the ones still alive and with the group, 11. Now, how many main characters do we presently have if counting Maria & Penny?
  • Ruby Rose
  • Weiss Schnee
  • Blake Belladonna
  • Yang Xiao-Long
  • Jaune Arc
  • Nora Valkyrie
  • Lie Ren
  • Qrow Branwen
  • Oscar Pine/Ozma
  • Maria Calavera
  • Penny Polendina
11 main characters, and remember, a lot of the things they've done here can be traced back to Red Vs. Blue. So the Ensemble Cast being so large or "bloated" as people put it is frankly to be expected at this point.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Jun 24th 2020 at 6:21:06 AM

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