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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#63976: Mar 13th 2020 at 3:11:53 PM

[up][up] well, they have the Maiden, if they make it known that they’re going to Vaccuo Salem might follow them instead of razing Atlas.

harostar Since: Feb, 2010
#63977: Mar 13th 2020 at 3:24:04 PM

I mean I think we've already had it stated as simply as possible that them leaving makes absolutely zero sense.

Besides, the creators basically said we have 2 volumes or so devoted to each Kingdom? They've only been in Atlas for one volume, with many plot threads hanging at this point. It seems kind of weird that people are arguing for something that requires basically tossing out the entire core conflict of Volume 7.

It makes as much sense as Weiss and Winter deciding to go bust their dad out of jail so they can have a happy family reunion. (The only reason they would bust him out of jail would be to YEET that a-hole off the edge of Atlas. I mean Winter stayed in the transport until he left, out of pure spite.)

Edited by harostar on Mar 13th 2020 at 6:28:15 AM

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#63978: Mar 13th 2020 at 3:31:49 PM

[up] Without the relic of knowledge or the winter maiden, there’s nothing in Atlas Salem wants, the heroes ganking Cinder, broadcasting their destination and their cargo for everyone to hear, and hightailing it out of there and hoping Salem chases them instead of pausing to raze Atlas might be their best shot.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Mar 13th 2020 at 6:32:38 AM

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#63979: Mar 13th 2020 at 3:36:54 PM

[up][up]People are effectively doing nothing but an exercise in futility, hoping for things that aren't gonna happen and coming up for explanations to try and justify them happening while ignoring not only the style of the show-runners, but also ignoring logic in the process.

Rodimus: Self-sacrifice, Magnus— It's cheap. It's a cheap way out. I need to live so I can make amends.
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#63980: Mar 13th 2020 at 3:46:20 PM

In other words, some people are just really desperate to hate on the show.

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harostar Since: Feb, 2010
#63981: Mar 13th 2020 at 4:00:06 PM

Honestly, I suspect Salem wants more than just the Maiden and the Relic this time.

She's been quietly operating in the shadows this whole time, primarily focused on infiltration and subversion. She sent Watts and Tyrian ahead of her to prepare things, by sowing chaos in Mantle and pushing Ironwood over the edge.

Salem rolling up with an army of Grimm, flying on a giant whale in basically battle gear makes me think this isn't just about the Relic.

Atlas is a symbol for the world, one that Oz intended to inspire people in the aftermath of the Great War. It is considered the greatest kingdom, with the most powerful military and the best technology.

Even without global communication to spread the information immediately, Atlas being destroyed or conquered would scare the ever living shit out of everyone.

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#63982: Mar 13th 2020 at 4:07:09 PM

My only concern is that it sort of goes against Salems usual MO

If she personally destroys Atlas, it could result in the world uniting against her. Hence why she wants society to tear itself apart first before conquering the world rather then going in Guns blazing.

Part of me wonders if her real motive is to not completely destroy Atlas, but cause a Horrible massacre then act "defeated" before fleeing, the purpose of that being to ensure Ironwood maintains an Evil Overlord mindset, and then tries to "save" the rest of remnant.

Edited by Kylotrope on Mar 13th 2020 at 1:10:31 AM

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Thebrawlbro Since: Aug, 2013
#63983: Mar 13th 2020 at 4:10:00 PM

If Atlas is destroyed, the chances of global communication going back up any time soon is basically gone. That's probably a big goal of hers.

Edited by Thebrawlbro on Mar 13th 2020 at 7:10:10 AM

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#63984: Mar 13th 2020 at 4:14:30 PM

[up][up]Who would be left to stop her though?

  • Vale is still rebuilding from the Fall of Beacon, and even then its implied she has an agent at Beacon still searching for the Crown of Choice.
  • Haven may have been saved but most of Mistral's good huntsmen were killed by Tyrian and Hazel.
  • Vacuo is largely just a bunch of tribes following Social Darwinism, and it's heavily implied she has an agent there via The Crown who is hunting for anyone with strong semblances, and its noted that Shade Headmaster Theodore is pretty suspect himself.
Should Atlas fall, all that would be left would be the dregs of the other Kingdoms and Vacuo, plus unless there are survivors, no one would know Atlas fell so long as the CCT is still down. So that may be her intent. Crash Atlas so that the only thing left to stop her will be the dregs and the final Kingdom that will have no way of knowing she's already got her claws in it.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Mar 13th 2020 at 7:17:54 AM

Rodimus: Self-sacrifice, Magnus— It's cheap. It's a cheap way out. I need to live so I can make amends.
Slater130 Since: Jun, 2013
#63985: Mar 13th 2020 at 4:40:12 PM

The writers didnt hint at a beach episode coming soon at all. Somebody asked if it was a possibility and Eddy said maybe some day.

You would have to remove all context and misrepresent it totally to take that as a hint that they were bailing to Vacuo in V8. But given its the same person who always does that, not a surprise.

Also they updated Blakes hair for V8: https://twitter.com/courtneybrenek/status/1238501980118470656

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#63986: Mar 13th 2020 at 4:47:17 PM

Yeah, that looks much better. Seems they did minor updates to Ruby's and Weiss' too. Ruby's hair isn't as spiky and looks more like a blend of her old and new hairs, and Weiss' bangs aren't framing her face as much and looks closer to her old hair color.

Rodimus: Self-sacrifice, Magnus— It's cheap. It's a cheap way out. I need to live so I can make amends.
harostar Since: Feb, 2010
#63987: Mar 13th 2020 at 6:16:01 PM

So the next volume seems likely to be a major battle, either way. On the assumption we're headed for another dark chapter like Volume 3, any bets on who might not make it out? Any trend in deaths, ala the Red-head Massacre of Volume 3?

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#63988: Mar 13th 2020 at 6:20:04 PM

Pretty useless trying to guess. I mean, how many characters had death flags this volume? And how many of them actually died?

Rodimus: Self-sacrifice, Magnus— It's cheap. It's a cheap way out. I need to live so I can make amends.
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#63989: Mar 13th 2020 at 6:27:17 PM

Clover and the Winter Maiden.

harostar Since: Feb, 2010
#63990: Mar 13th 2020 at 6:27:43 PM

True.

For lulz, I will predict Jacques gets eaten by a Grimm mid-sentence while trying to yell at people.

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#63991: Mar 13th 2020 at 6:30:43 PM

Okay then, for lulz, I predict Harriet will die from running too fast and not paying attention to where she's going, causing her to run right into the mouth of a Grimm.

Rodimus: Self-sacrifice, Magnus— It's cheap. It's a cheap way out. I need to live so I can make amends.
harostar Since: Feb, 2010
#63992: Mar 13th 2020 at 6:36:07 PM

All jokes aside, I wouldn't be surprised if we lost more secondary characters like Harriet in the coming battle.

Though we've already had our Pyrrha-ish Sacrificial Lion situation, what with Clover dying.

I think Penny is safe for a while at least, since passing the Winter Maiden on again feels too soon.

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#63993: Mar 13th 2020 at 6:58:19 PM

If being honest, the ones that seem likely to die based on narrative structure appear to Harriet, Winter, Pietro, and possibly Ironwood.

  • Ironwood is the iffy one because its unclear exactly what direction they'll be taking him after all this is done. Will he go further into insanity and lose his life? Will he redeem himself and then sarifice himself? Will he survive and realize he screwed up then seek redemption? It's uncertain, so that includes his fate.
  • Pietro seems almost a certainty, largely because of both the nature of his Fairy Tale Motifs, and because of his relationship to Penny.
    • Pietro, being based off of Geppetto, is in danger of being swallowed by the giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and dragon wings for flippers, largely because Geppetto was swallowed by Monstro. But whereas Geppetto ultimately survived and escaped the whale while Pinocchio was destroyed but then revived as a real boy because of the Blue Fairy, its possible Pietro will die to Moby Grimm, and as Penny has become the Winter Maiden thanks to Fria, won't be allowed to try and save him should this happen.
    • As for his relationship to Penny, he is effectively the embodiment of Penny's Resurrective Immortality. So long as her core is protected and he has aura to give, he can effectively rebuild her regardless of what happens to her. Possibly even reviving her should she lose the power of the Winter Maiden since he is donating his aura to replace what she's lost. Now obviously his aura is finite based on the patches missing and his Incurable Cough of Death, but by killing him, it effectively makes Penny mortal. Unless someone would be able to replicate what he did and her core was still preserved, should he die, any death for Penny afterward will likely stick.
  • Winter has something in common with Clover that ultimately contributed to his death: Undying Loyalty. She desperately tries to bury her emotions for the sake of being a loyal soldier, but as demonstrated by her forcing Weiss to leave her and letting her, Ruby, and Penny escape, she isn't as cold hearted as she wants to be. It's that one aspect that will prevent her from suffering a similar fate to Clover, but could in turn lead to a different but just as bad fate: a Heroic Sacrifice trying to either save Ironwood or protect her family. Either she forcibly hardens herself and becomes hyper focused on the mission at the expense of logic like Clover was, or she allows her heart to break through, and gives up her life in the process. After all, she pretty much made it clear to Penny while fighting Cinder:
    Winter: My life doesn't matter!
  • And well, Harriet's is rather obvious. She's the most volatile of the Ace Ops, and the only one to have no form of attachment to RNJRWBY, since even Elm, the only other Ace Op willing to use lethal force trying to fight RWBY, was still shown as being personally hurt by the betrayal and implied by Vine to be psyching herself up so as to fight Blake and Yang. It also helps that, as pointed out on the Fridge page, each Ace Op ultimately failed to learn the lesson their Aesop was teaching. And as seen with Clover, not learning that lesson could lead to their death. While its easier to understand Marrow, Elm, and Vine learning the lesson's their Aesops tried to teach, Harriet's is harder to see her learning. Her entire being is effectively antithesis to the lesson, whether it be her competitiveness, her cocky attitude, her pride in general, and how all of them can cause her to lose her pace and get enraged, the only way for her to learn her lesson would be if she was truly humbled. But as the Hare ultimately lost the race because of his behavior, Harriet may end up losing her life trying to prove she's the best.

Rodimus: Self-sacrifice, Magnus— It's cheap. It's a cheap way out. I need to live so I can make amends.
Slater130 Since: Jun, 2013
#63994: Mar 13th 2020 at 6:58:38 PM

I would guess some of the Happy Huntress's will die. Probably Johanna.

At least some of the Ace Op's, but not Marrow. He is clearly being set up to defect and live.

Also Penny getting her killed and her Maiden powers stolen by Cinder only for Pietro to revive her one final time while dying himself in the process.

Edited by Slater130 on Mar 13th 2020 at 6:58:55 AM

harostar Since: Feb, 2010
#63995: Mar 13th 2020 at 7:23:53 PM

Ironwood is definitely up in the air, depending on the direction he's taken next season. Him not surviving or at least losing his position would match the pattern so far of each Academy losing its (Oz Inner Circle) Headmaster. Beacon lost Ozpin, Haven lost Lionheart, Atlas still has Ironwood for now, and Shade presumably still has Theodore.

Pietro dying makes sense, too. He's been set up to be on borrowed time, with his cough and mentioning how reviving Penny costs him pieces of his Aura. He already worried that he didn't have enough left to revive her, when people were calling for Penny to be deactivated.

I feel like Maria could be at risk, too. She's primarily been the team's pilot and Pietro's buddy this last volume. We know she's been trying to teach Ruby to use her Silver Eyes, so she could be at risk for the classic Mentor Occupational Hazard.

If Marrow dies, we riot. I think he'll be another location-specific character that will be Put on a Bus once the story moves towards Vacuo. Him and Robyn and a few other Atlas characters surviving to start cleaning up Ironwood's mess ala Blake's parents, Sun, and Ilia staying behind to fix things.

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#63996: Mar 13th 2020 at 7:50:24 PM

Sun didn't stay in Haven, he took his team and went to Vacuo to attend Shade Academy and become a better team leader. They're gonna Co-star alongside CFVY in the sequel to RWBY: After the Fall: Before the Dawn.

Rodimus: Self-sacrifice, Magnus— It's cheap. It's a cheap way out. I need to live so I can make amends.
harostar Since: Feb, 2010
#63997: Mar 13th 2020 at 7:58:48 PM

[up] True, so I guess maybe we'll see some of those folks again in the long run? wild mass guess

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#63998: Mar 13th 2020 at 8:13:01 PM

They also confirmed that Ilia will return, meaning unless she's coming on her own, we're likely gonna see the Faunus Rights Movement in their entirety, meaning seeing Ghira and Kali again.

It's highly likely any surviving friends and allies they make that don't join them in travelling will eventually return for the Final Battle, coming together as this one heroic army, as well as flying in the face of Salem's attempts at dividing people. Whether they be professors like Oobleck, Port, and Glynda, those desiring to atone for their sins like Raven, those wanting to protect their family like Tai, Ghira, Kali, and Ilia, or just those wanting to help their friends like SSSN and CFVY, they'll likely all come together for the final fight, a full on war against Salem.

Rodimus: Self-sacrifice, Magnus— It's cheap. It's a cheap way out. I need to live so I can make amends.
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
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#63999: Mar 13th 2020 at 8:32:50 PM

Raven:On your left

Edited by Kylotrope on Mar 13th 2020 at 5:35:40 AM

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harostar Since: Feb, 2010
#64000: Mar 13th 2020 at 8:56:50 PM

[up][up] That was my thought as well. The final volume is going to see the return of every ally that is still alive, likely gathering in the ruins of Beacon Academy to fight for the final Relic.

I'm still wondering just what exactly the Crown does, if Ozpin considered that the one that needed the greatest protection. I mean presumably the Sword was capable of ending a war and leaving a whole nation in ruins with Vacuo still not fully recovered 80 years later. But the Crown is the Relic Ozpin chose to personally watch over, and Beacon's Vault is more complex than Haven or Atlas. Those two involved an elevator right down to the Vault's entryway, as opposed to the enormous complex underneath Beacon where the Fall Maiden's Vault is hidden. Even then, we still didn't see the Vault itself — just the area where Amber was being kept, and numerous other hallways. Ozpin also wasn't concerned about Cinder being able to just go fetch that Relic, and Salem sent her to Haven instead of back to Beacon. Which makes me think that Salem also thinks the Crown is currently out of reach, and will have to wait.

Edited by harostar on Mar 13th 2020 at 11:57:57 AM


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