Right? It's almost like RWBY is being subjected to different standards for reasons that continue to elude me (beyond, perhaps, simple dislike and an intense need to spoil and make it bad for others, like some people are doing here).
And on the off-chance they would get him arrested, who exactly would arrest Adam? The Atlesian military, who the team was in the process of massively disrespecting? Did we forget why Blake was there in the first place? (to jam the radar so that they can leave with their stolen aircraft)
Edited by FergardStratoavis on Feb 26th 2020 at 10:40:05 AM
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x infinity) Yeah, talking about Adam was probably a mistake.
I'll show myself out. No need to dig a bigger hole than the one I already have made.
Again, these kids have left loads of corpses in their wake. In the tunnel, of course, Ruby and Oobleck could probably even smell the mech pilots cooking. (And of course Zwei could.) But that's just the start. Because of Aura, we seem to be expected to assume that anyone who drops without a truly vicious wound will get back up, but we've seen a thousand times that you don't necessarily lose consciousness when your Aura breaks - I think in fact the only named characters who have were the Malachites - which tells me that being beaten half to death on Remnant is merely less dangerous than being beaten half to death in the real world. Junior tells us that all the extras who fought Ruby in the first episode are dead, and while he obliquely suggests Torchwick killed them, he doesn't know, either. I think the real rule may be closer to, "when it matters they're mostly fine, but the heroes don't care and neither should you." In other words, they only care about having killed Adam because they knew him; if not for his history with Blake, Yang would have watched his spine snap with a satisfied smirk.
(And of course, I should point out yet again, why should so much moral scrutiny attach to the death of a terrorist and stalker, who'd just wiped out a sizable tower garrison, right upstream from an estuary red with the blood of honorable pilots who would - as would the garrison - probably have lived to read about the election upset if not for the heroes' Dom Toretto logic.)
My posts make considerably more sense read in the voice of John Ratzenberger.As much as I find Blake and Yang killing Adam to be justified, a bit less so from Yang, there is evidence that the response is less about anyone being killed, and more about Blake and Yang being the ones to kill Adam. There have indeed been very few deaths overall, and only one actual death from the heroes beforehand via Tock's decapitation by Maria, but there have certainly been other attempts to do so. And no, I'm not counting mooks in all this. Unless they confirm the mooks they fight get killed, they're treated as just incapacitated, and again, not treating the Fang members who died in the cave in, since its unclear which ones did from RWBY, Oobleck, and Zwei, and which ones died from the Grimm attacking.
- While she didn't outright kill him, Blake pulling Ghira free allowed the rubble to crush Fennec and subsequently kill him when his Daggers blew up.
- Jaune attempted to kill Cinder during the Battle of Haven via decapitation, but stupidly went for a thrust rather than a slash, knocking him off balance when he missed.
- The Heroes at several points made it clear they were trying to kill Hazel during the Battle of Haven, with Ozcar approaching him on the ground before almost growling at him being reminiscent of when Amber did something similar when approaching the downed Emerald, and when Weiss' Queen Lancer impaled Hazel from behind and dragged him back into the Academy.
- Qrow made it clear he was trying to kill Tyrian in his fight with him and Clover after the crash, and after Tyrian impaled Clover, Qrow even outright said he'd kill Tyrian.
- The idea it was used as part of pandering to the Bumblebee crowd. Regardless of whether you consider the pairing canon, there is no denying that the pairing is one of the more controversial aspects of the series. So to see Blake and Yang have a Declaration of Protection that ends in Blake's former abuser impaled and Blake crying in Yang's arms, it can come across to some that Adam was killed as a vehicle to canonize Bumblebee. It's not hard to see this as being a reason when JelloApocalypse's video pretty much calls it out.
Jello: Sometimes not talking is the best way to advance a character! Like Yang and Bland who "Not Talk" their way into being girlfriends cause their fanbase is so insistent about it that writers just gave up about it, I guess.
- Personally, I don't subscribe to this theory, since I not only don't really care about shipping unless it is explicitly canonized, it feels completely nonsensical to believe this is the case, since if they gave into everything the fans wanted, Pyrrha would be Back from the Dead, White Rose would be canon, the Vocal Minority wanting JNR but namely Jaune dead would get their way, and Ruby would be a better written character.
- The lack of a repercussions to his death. Death of characters has always been a hit or miss kinda thing in the FNDM, but even more so if the death feels pointless. Pyrrha's is often pointed out as a Senseless Sacrifice, Roman's death a cheap way to write him out of the show, Penny's everyone refusing to think legitimate due to being a robot, etc. So when you take Adam, a character many considered to be the quintessential example of They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character in RWBY, kill him off, and then barely show any reaction or consequences to his death...
- This one... is more understandable in my opinion. Yes, Adam had definitely overstayed his welcome and needed to die so as to not drag down the plot any further. But I do think the aftermath of his death hasn't been handled the best, specifically on Yang's part.
- Blake obviously has been treating this with the gravity it needs, since even if she is happy to be free of him, she is still haunted by the blood that stains her hands and made it clear she does not want to go through that again, as well as being reminded of him when she sees the SDC brand on the cases they found in the mine.
- Yang however... its barely a footnote for her. While Yang does pickup on Blake still being bothered by it, there's no evidence that her killing someone actually phased her at all. Add on how her part in it is a lot more murky in nature as pointed out before, and that she just seems apathetic to the whole thing, and it comes across as not being important, not helped by the only time its even referenced at all being when Yang deliberately brings it up to Blake.
- I'm not saying it should consume their every waking moment, but you think there would be something... more about this. Yang had been suffering nightmares because of him and even had near panic attacks about him at home and in Brunswick Farms, but once he's dead, it doesn't seem like she even cares anymore. At least make clear she's putting on a front or that killing him affected her in some way. Then again, as I've pointed out in my Top 10 Most Hated Characters in RWBY
, Yang's writing and characterization has largely left something to be desired in general, the only good part being the treatment of her PTSD.
- This one... is more understandable in my opinion. Yes, Adam had definitely overstayed his welcome and needed to die so as to not drag down the plot any further. But I do think the aftermath of his death hasn't been handled the best, specifically on Yang's part.
Edited by RebelFalcon on Feb 26th 2020 at 5:44:06 AM
Rodimus: Self-sacrifice, Magnus— It's cheap. It's a cheap way out. I need to live so I can make amends.Sorry, haven't been around for a couple of days, so I'm responding to something from a couple of pages ago:
Yes, but that doesn't tell us much since we don't know why the balance is important.
We do know, however, that the God of Light feels that this is a rule both humans and gods need to adhere to.
Well, more accurately, we know that's the God of Darkness's perception. His perception might be accurate or might not be. We don't really know that either.
Yes, that's part of my point. The other part is why there's a balance in the first place.
Yes, that's been my theory for a long time and one I've mentioned before. A lot of the fandom seem to regard Ozma's resurrection as breaking the rule he cited to the God of Darkness, but I don't believe it is. It seems more to me like a loophole.
Ozma is only bound to the world of the living through the lives of living people (the host to which he becomes attached). What was brought back from the afterlife was the identity and power of Ozma but not his actual form. His identity and power have effectively been 'exiled' from the afterlife and tethered to the living world by living people.
The way I described it previously is that, if we imagine that there's some kind of 'balance' police the brothers could answer to for the crime of bringing the dead back to life, then Ozma's situation is almost akin to a 'cover up' — Ozma's being 'covered up' by the identity and body of the living host to which he becomes bound.
However, my point was that we don't know. It wasn't that there are no hooks from which we can hang theories, it's that this is all we can do.
Anyway, as it stands, it looks like you and I have similar interpretations of what those hooks may mean.
Unless the key here is that souls cannot die. Therefore moving a soul around different 'locations' isn't technically 'bringing back the dead' since what's being used is something that could never die in the first place.
Which is, as you say, all about the physical body.
There is no way I can gracefully insert any mention of a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and dragon wings for flippers into this post, so have a random end-of-post reference for free.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Mar 2nd 2020 at 10:21:57 AM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Wyld: I think the tale of two brother already said why: both brother argue a lot and barely can agree on something, both brother decide to create something that belong to both and doing so by giving choice, in a way both can be satified with result and stop their fighting.
The problem here it seen is death is part of that and I can see the resoning: resurrecion is a form of undead and un-destruction, that exist(God of light) most live is life(the choice) and them they did(god of darkness) this screw the process and i think is because is a petition made of personal greed, what estop other of listen salem story and deciding the same thing?.
Both for what I see here is a issue that the god of darkness chaft because it feel the deal is better for is brother than him, being reduce to a thing nobody wanted, a question is if god of life would know this or not, is brother seen to thing so but is probably is bitterness and conflict seeking nature here.
Also as ozma, we have to remenber ozma didnt ask for it, is not a gift, is a job to contain salem while he do is job.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Rebelfalcon: I will said that point about blake and yang is not wrong, it just said in bad faith.
Because we can make the point that Adam move from being and ideological enemy and the bad guy of white fang to be a personal bad guy for blake story, specially and he derail into this near incel parody(him screaming about hurting the belladonna is a good example), with Illa pretty much replacing Adam in thar regard(and as eruptionfang, the thing that started this discussion point out, Illa doe share many thing with him: blak cloth with red hair, sympathic backstory about why she join, feeling about blake that she didnt return,etc) once she deal with that the white fang is over and Adam feel left out.
Tie with this is blake and yang conection, from yang telling blake her story(which is deepest bonding moment any member of the have with another all things considered) and Adam near yandere behivor over it, is hard not to see Adam as the bad guy on Yang and Blake personal path..which include shipping, specially since a volume that happen inmedialy after(which as you point out, is like...a few days in universe) have both giving cute ship tease moment and more bonding is obvious as hell, is hard no to see Adam as pretty much "evil bad ex that need to be deal for new couple to come"
The problem with the argument here is fans have resume EVERYTHING to pandering, which it annoy me, as it see people just want them to be couple NOW, not because it make sense but because it was the fan wanted(but shipper and anti shipper), said whatever about couple is good or not(a this point I wonder if yang and blake are healthy for each other) but it seen all this is see more as "why they are pandering/they are not pandering hard enough/not they arent" rather if actually good for the story.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"I know its been said before, but this finale, I feel, has told us more about Cinder's character than literally anything else. Her desire for power isn't simply a desire, its a pathological obsession that causes her to go ballistic the moment she feels she's being denied it. And apparently Atlas is at the root of it all.
It doesn't at all excuse her crimes, but it does paint an interesting picture.

One the idea of Adam being arrested and not killed; I think that's a worse solution. Adam was an extremist, both in cause and in temperament. He had every opportunity to turn back and abandon his obsessions and he chose to keep pursuing Blake. That this resulted in his death felt the most natural way to end it. From a more meta perspective it also makes it absolutely clear that Adam's role in the story has come to an end. Adam being arrested would foster people expecting him to break out and come after them again.