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TheLovecraftian from Software Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Feb 12th 2020 at 4:47:03 PM

Oh, wow, someone called me back to the RWBY thread. I'll be.

Oh, right, that! I was referring to the scene with Watts in a jail cell (which I didn't want to spoil, in case anybody actually thought he'd been killed by Ironwood), which kinda went counter the idea of a big specialized jail for criminals out in the tundra: Watts is clearly sitting in Atlas and looking out the window as he sees Salem's giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and dragon wings for flippers, and he's just as dangerous, if not more, than Tyrian is, so if he's not been taken to the special prison (and there was definitely time between Ironwood beating him and Watts' appearance here), it's more likely that there's no prison at all.

Thus, the reason for the airship with the Three Stooges and Tyrian to be so far away from Atlas remains a mystery to me.

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Kylotrope The Perfectionist from Honolulu Hawaii
The Perfectionist
Feb 12th 2020 at 5:41:06 PM

He could just be there temporarily til a transport comes. While it was several episodes, In-Universe it's only been like, an few hours.

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TheLovecraftian from Software Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Feb 12th 2020 at 5:53:50 PM

Yeah, but like I mentioned in the original post, we've never heard any mention of a special prison, so there's really nothing hinting at the idea of anything like that existing.

Also, why would Tyrian be instantly taken to that prison, while Watts would have to wait hours? Especially since he was captured in Amity Arena, which would necessitate an airship for both Ironwood and Watts to be taken out of in the first place?

Edited by TheLovecraftian on Feb 12th 2020 at 11:54:56 AM

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Feb 12th 2020 at 8:30:06 PM

Anybody else notice the "omg she's touching me" look Oscar gave Yang in "A Night Off" at 3:27?

And the show Dosent really present Ironwood as simply having a different perspective then the protagonists. It presents him as a being a Paranoid maniac who Oscar calls as dangerous as Salem, even if he had good good intentions.

I feel like the song is meant to convey that but I could be wrong.

Is it really paranoia when you're proven right? Not about Oscar, no, but about literally everything else.

Edited by Soble on Feb 12th 2020 at 9:23:17 AM

Always a student.
Feb 12th 2020 at 10:17:54 PM

I just checked the scene, and to me it seemed less shippy and more like he was thinking "where did this come from?" Though probably with some teenage boy hormones mixed in there too.

As for Ironwood, the great part about his arc is that he manages to be both Properly Paranoid and The Paranoiac at the same time. Team RWBY lied to him, Robyn was working against him, and Jacques was doing everything wrong. But his reaction to these events is to double down on the paranoia, to arrest the people who aren't obeying and ignore anyone who disagrees with him. It's a very military mindset: "If everyone just followed orders then everything would be fine." His problem is that he can't find the middle ground and accept that they had a good reason not to trust him, and if he can just forgive their minor indiscretions and work together, they can get through this.

Or, to put it short, Salem used his correct paranoia to create a lot of incorrect paranoia and break his Kingdom right before she arrived.

RebelFalcon Fed up with humanity from sleeping in your bed Relationship Status: Abstaining
Fed up with humanity
Feb 12th 2020 at 10:30:08 PM

There is no such thing as correct paranoia. The Merriam-Webster definition of Paranoia is "a tendency on the part of an individual or group toward excessive or irrational suspiciousness and distrustfulness of others". Paranoia by definition is supposed to be an irrational concept. If it turns out correct, then it isn't paranoia.

Salem is a threat and Ironwood being worried about her sending assailants isn't paranoia. Ironwood thinking everyone who doesn't agree with him or goes behind his back is his enemy is.

The Properly Paranoid trope is more about people being treated as if they're Paranoid when they have every right to be prepared. Ironwood is more accurately Improperly Paranoid. He thinks he is being proven right about everything, but he really is just paranoid and afraid, yet unwilling to admit it.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Feb 12th 2020 at 1:32:13 PM

It's Falcon, not Faction! I named myself after Shun Kurosaki after all!
TheLovecraftian from Software Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Feb 13th 2020 at 12:16:19 AM

So, slight explanation for what I'm about to say, but I'm currently having a cold, and as I woke up during the night with a fever, for whatever reason, the most ridiculous theory came to my mind. Since somebody summoned me to the thread, I thought I might as well share before I leave again.

So as shown with Ozpin, people who can use magic can sometimes turn people into animals, right? (And it's apparently a horrible act to do to someone, or something like that) And outside of maybe that one bird back in Volume 1 (which frankly might have been a Grimm, for all we know), we've never seen a normal animal in this show that wasn't actually a transformed person... with the exception of Zwei.

And Salem can use magic.

So... what if... Summer Rose is actually Zwei?

Like, she's actually cursed, stuck permanently in dog form? Zwei has certainly been around for most of Ruby's life, and considering it's not in Yang's flashback back in Volume 2, it probably appeared soon after Summer went away.

That would probably be the dumbest thing in the world, but right now my brain also thinks it would be hilarious, so here you go. Stupid theory is a go.

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Kylotrope The Perfectionist from Honolulu Hawaii
The Perfectionist
Feb 13th 2020 at 12:41:57 AM

That...would be an interesting twist.

And I suddenly feel better about all my Cinder Redemption theories

Edited by Kylotrope on Feb 12th 2020 at 11:15:09 PM

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dRoy Ready to Rant from The Happy Place Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ready to Rant
Feb 13th 2020 at 3:04:26 AM

Summer Rose: You don't understand, Ruby. He turned me into a doooooog.

Mother of god...You turned one of the hardest and best Champions into an absolute joke. - Zelenal
Feb 13th 2020 at 6:18:55 AM

Frankly I'm not convinced that Torchwick's ghost isn't trapped inside of Blake's reforged Gambol Shroud. That tsurugi kiritsugi sh-t is nonsense. Torchwick is too much of a baller to go out like that. He probably split his soul into pieces and left one of them inside of the sword.

In Volume 10 or 11 he'll probably appear as one of Blake's hallucinations to give her a "The Reason You Suck" Speech of some kind.

Edited by Soble on Feb 13th 2020 at 8:28:29 AM

Always a student.
RebelFalcon Fed up with humanity from sleeping in your bed Relationship Status: Abstaining
Fed up with humanity
Feb 13th 2020 at 7:00:44 AM

Yes, the Kintsugi shit is nonsense. Why in gods name did they think a method for fixing pottery would be a good idea for reforging a sword?! Did no one google what happens with reforged blades?! If Blake's blade doesn't break again, I will buy whatever crack theory there is to explain that shit. I will then snort that crack and proceed to go to Rooster Teeth Studios and scream in the face of whoever thought Kintsugi was a good idea! And then for added measure I will free Edgar the cow, force Gavin to eat Wet Bread, and whack Barb in the head with the heaviest book of puns I can find!

Edited by RebelFalcon on Feb 13th 2020 at 10:05:05 AM

It's Falcon, not Faction! I named myself after Shun Kurosaki after all!
Feb 13th 2020 at 7:41:52 AM

It's not even Kintsugi, it's gorilla glue!

Feb 13th 2020 at 8:38:06 AM

[up][up] Here's a crack theory: It's an entirely new blade with a little gold part to make it look like a reforged blade so that she's reminded of what she's gone through.

CryoJNik from Somewhere rolling my eyes Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
Feb 13th 2020 at 9:30:52 AM

This is a world with Sniper Scythes, Spear/Sword/Rifles, Handbag Gatling Guns, Grav Kamas, Photographic Projectors, Boomerang Guns, Hammers with various explosive ordinances, Gunchucks, Shotgun Gauntlets, Firecracker Canes and many others exist. Said weapons are wielded by people who are light enough to dart around on their recoil, strong enough to withstand the forces without breaking something and are also heavy enough to not be blown around by a stiff breeze. But a weapon upgrade mimicking an ancient pottery technique is the thing that breaks believability. It's amazing the stuff that comes from some peoples' brains.

Also, don't attack Barb with puns, she only becomes stronger. No Joke

I find it ironic that a show with the message "Keep moving Forward" has a fanbase adamantly stuck on past missteps.
FergardStratoavis Desserts of Trickery from The Height of Impossibility Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Desserts of Trickery
Feb 13th 2020 at 9:44:36 AM

Honestly, I'd be more upset about the fact that Gambol Shroud 2.0 has no new functionality. Both Crescent Rose and Ember Celica received upgrades, and Myrternaster is a swiss army weapon when combined with Weiss' Semblance.

Meanwhile Blake just gets a fancy splotch of golden glue on. Even JNR got upgrades for their weapons (or at least Jaune did; not sure if Ren and Nora got anything).

The Speed of Furious Astronomy
Feb 13th 2020 at 10:30:35 AM

Ren got grappling hooks to Strom Flower. Nora... not sure.

TheLovecraftian from Software Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Feb 13th 2020 at 11:18:00 AM

I'd argue Crescent Rose's "upgrades" are anything but. On a normal scythe, the functionality of spinning it's top would be kind of useful, no doubt. On a scythe that also has a sniper rifle to it, one that it's user also frequently uses by slamming the tip on the ground for stability (or, pre-Volume 4, folds into a regular rifle)? Ruby now has to unspin her scythe everytime she wants to use it as a rifle again. She just added another step to the amount of things she needs to do to use her weapon's second mode.

Also, it's hard to pin down Nora's changes because honestly, we've barely seen her fight properly up until now. She's fought a few scattered Grimm, but nothing that could really showcase her weapon in action.

And Blake's kintsugi is stupid. No contest there.

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GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
Feb 13th 2020 at 3:11:24 PM

I'm the villain guy and I thought Torchwick's death was great. XD

Also, is it me or is Weiss far and away the most powerful member of Team RWBY now?

Maybe I just got that impression from her fighting probably the weakest of the Ace Ops.

Edited by GNinja on Feb 13th 2020 at 11:12:26 AM

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Saiga Helpful & reliable Pope of Bleach & DB threads from Sunny Australia Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
Helpful & reliable Pope of Bleach & DB threads
Feb 13th 2020 at 3:25:54 PM

It's funny because until recently she's probably been the biggest jobber.

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RebelFalcon Fed up with humanity from sleeping in your bed Relationship Status: Abstaining
Fed up with humanity
Feb 13th 2020 at 3:30:10 PM

While Weiss' arsenal is the greatest, she is by no means the strongest. Largely because she is a Squishy Wizard / Glass Cannon. She can't take that many hits before her Aura breaks, and once it does she ends up being out of commission, unlike others who can still fight even with their aura broken.

  • She was only actually hit twice in her fight with the Lieutenant on the Train before getting knocked out and sent through a door requiring Blake to save her.
  • Her Senseless Sacrifice against Flynt got her scorched but left Flynt still kicking, and even before then Flynt had her all but beaten and said attempt was a last ditch desperate maneuver.
  • Her battle with Vernal, thanks to her focusing more on summoning than her other methods of fighting, was the quickest of the battles at the farce of the Battle of Haven, with Vernal only shooting her a few times and a slash or two being enough to break her aura.
The likely explanation is that because she is very reliant on using her Glyphs for fighting unlike others with their Semblances, she uses her Aura up faster than others, and without her Aura, the most she can do is use Myrtenaster like a normal saber, but since it's not her proper fighting style, even if she can last after her Aura breaks, she'll still go down quickly.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Feb 13th 2020 at 6:34:32 AM

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TheLovecraftian from Software Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Feb 13th 2020 at 3:43:57 PM

Even before she became Yuna, Weiss always had the opposite issue of Ruby's: she's very versatile, but not especially skilled in anything. Even back on the days where she still acted like an acrobat swordswoman, she had:

  • Myrtenaster as a proper sword;
  • Glyphs that did several different things;
  • At least six types of Dust at any given moment;
  • A nimble, dance-like style of fighting;
  • A flair for the dramatic, as seen in her fight with the WF Lieutenant, which cost her the win.

And on top of all that, she always had considerably low stamina and endurance. So she never focused on any one thing, which costs her battles against people who are really good at what they do.

And now, after becoming a summoner, she focused on essentially just that and her glyphs (and even then, all she really seems to summon are the Knight and the Queen Lancer, despite having at least a few more Grimm at her disposal, so she's still not great with variety), which resulted in her being so overspecialized that she lost her battle against Vernal due to not using anything else against the girl, instead just standing still and trying to summon, which is suicide in a 1-on-1 battle. For her credit, she seems to be growing out of it during her fight with Marrow, but it's still just a win against the weakest of the group.

...the runt of the litter.

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MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Feb 13th 2020 at 3:45:25 PM

@The Lovecraftian: ... You do realize that the biggest difference between Watts and Tyrian is that the former can be rendered effectively powerless just by stripping him of all possible electronics and locking him a regular cell with a manual lock, right? Watts is essentially a wimp in a physical fight without his hacking rings compared to any of the seasoned fighters; the only fair fight he'd get is if he's facing Jaune, and even then I have my doubts.

Compare that to Tyrian, who can get up to a dozen kills in a minute with just his arm-blades and (now prosthetic) tail, can easily snap necks if given the chance, and in general is a very high-class fighter that only a veteran Huntsman like Qrow could reasonably have a fair chance against. And we've seen how easily he can slip out of those handcuffs when he's sure that nobody's around to notice and stop him from doing so.

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Saiga Helpful & reliable Pope of Bleach & DB threads from Sunny Australia Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
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Feb 13th 2020 at 3:46:48 PM

[up][up][up] I like that take (Weiss' aura is low due to over-relying on semblance) but I don't think the writers particularly care to be consistent about how much damage it takes to break an aura, given how few hits the Ace Ops take to go down and other such examples.

Sometimes the characters have protracted fights and shrug off tonnes of hits, sometimes their aura breaks in a few.

Edited by Saiga on Feb 13th 2020 at 9:47:58 PM

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RebelFalcon Fed up with humanity from sleeping in your bed Relationship Status: Abstaining
Fed up with humanity
Feb 13th 2020 at 3:46:52 PM

[up]x3 Actually, Weiss only has one more Grimm in her arsenal that she's aware of: Pumpa the Boarbatusk. And considering it went down after just a single shot from Ironwood, I doubt it would be too useful outside of maybe summoning endless waves of it like Winter did with her Beowolves.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Feb 13th 2020 at 6:50:14 AM

It's Falcon, not Faction! I named myself after Shun Kurosaki after all!
TheLovecraftian from Software Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Feb 13th 2020 at 3:54:53 PM

[up]Hey, Winter has used her tiny Nevermores twice as a distraction, and both times worked. I'm just saying, Weiss could use more variety and strategy in her moveset than just "Stand still and summon giant thing".

[up][up][up]He's still a high-profile enemy related to Salem, a good strategist and silver-tongued negotiator (as according to the show), and overall a criminal who just caused every crisis in the Volume. He's not a physical threat like Tyrian, but he is definitely a threat. Keeping him in as safe as possible a prison would be safer than just throwing him into a regular-ass cell and presuming he doesn't have a plan for that.

...then again, I shouldn't be surprised safety wasn't on Ironwood's mind. He brought Watts' bag to his own office without checking what was inside of it first.

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