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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
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#62151: Nov 12th 2019 at 7:08:49 PM

Anarchistic Setting combined with Rule of Cool does tend to be pretty confusing.

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#62152: Nov 12th 2019 at 7:18:34 PM

The fact that they limited to a single power source that can't work outside their planets atmosphere probably doesn't help in regards to communication along with the fact that they barely expand their territory without things blowing up in their faces because of the Grimm.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#62153: Nov 13th 2019 at 1:17:01 AM

Yeah, we have global comunication thanks to satalites,they got none so they used what they got.

I mean there is more silly things, like having so many vytal festival and somehow nobody try to use the trick emerald try before.

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#62154: Nov 13th 2019 at 1:22:56 AM

There are many aspects of the setting that raises eyebrows, but for me, one of the biggest one is that fact that the setting has an uber-advanced AI but doesn't have decent intercontinental communications? I kinda feel that the natural progression of technology should dictate that you gotta have the technology for the latter before having the former.

Well, Schizo Tech, I suppose. After all, in Real Life people put other people on Moon decades before the Internet was invented.

Edited by dRoy on Nov 13th 2019 at 6:26:19 PM

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#62155: Nov 13th 2019 at 1:27:18 AM

Most of "natural progresion of tecnology" is kind of a myth actually, a sort of pop culture one of technology level.

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#62156: Nov 13th 2019 at 1:35:36 AM

You'll gonna have to cite your sources man, because that's a pretty bold claim to make.

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#62157: Nov 13th 2019 at 3:53:03 AM

Wouldn't you need physical conduits outside the borders for a worldwide communication and internet access? That's just something that the Grimm could tear down at their leisure. Needing all four CCT's working is more than a little dumb though. I guess this was Ozma's misguided attempt at uniting the nations by having them share a common commodity. Or some such.

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#62158: Nov 13th 2019 at 4:19:05 AM

[up]You do if someone in world cut down every Cell phone tower all lot of our Cell phone would stop working.

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#62159: Nov 13th 2019 at 4:25:13 PM

Regarding international communication: the fact that they created a system that covers the entire globe with just four towers is impressive. In real life 99% of all international calls go via underwater cables (granted that number is about 6 years old so it may have dipped a little bit) with the remaining 1% being places that aren't cabled up to the network. Remnant managed it with just four towers (albeit with smaller towers within kingdoms to push the network everywhere, although those all hang off that kingdom's tower) with no physical connections between them. I question why they didn't make more of the big towers (I.E Mistral putting a second tower in Argus, Vale putting a second tower on Patch, etc.) so they would have some redundancy, but that would depend on what's involved with constructing one.

unknowing is also correct that "natural progression of technology" is largely bullshit. Whilst some technology is dependent on another being invented before it (you have to invent the wheel before you can invent the brake for the wheel), the same isn't true for A.I.s being dependent on multiple forms of international being created.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#62160: Nov 13th 2019 at 4:50:05 PM

The trope tecnologic levels even said that is better think of tech less as line of evolutionary steps but rather as tree, some stuff branch into other but some dosent need stuff here and there.

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#62161: Nov 13th 2019 at 9:15:43 PM

[up][up]Still doesn't change the fact that just knocking a single one out shuts down the entire system! That's a big design flaw! I could understand only shutting down access to that territory, like say Beacon Tower falling means calls to or from Beacon can't reach the other Kingdoms but the other Kingdoms can still contact each other, but for one to fall over knocking out the whole array?! Who designs something like that outside of some bullshit metaphor for unity?!

And as you pointed out, why only those four?! Why not put multiple towers up so that the signal can bounce off other towers should one be damaged? Or why not build them in the ocean so the Grimm that can attack it are limited?! So far the only sea Grimm we've seen are the Sea Dragon and the Leviathan, both of which are individual types rather than pack Grimm, and if put far enough away from human settlements, that reduces the risk of attacks from Grimm, meaning the only risk would be one of Salem's enforcers launching an attack on them, and that could be handled by stationing some huntsmen in the settlements closest to them.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Nov 13th 2019 at 12:21:36 PM

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#62162: Nov 13th 2019 at 10:06:49 PM

[up]From what has been explained you need a minimum of four towers to work. From Ozpin's description that's not a design flaw it's a limitation in the technology itself; it's not that someone said "let's design it so that if one tower goes down they all go down", it's "we need at least four CCT towers or else it just won't work." Given that the actual science behind how they work isn't explained you have to take it at face value that all four have to be up, and if you want to counter that it doesn't make sense I'll reiterate the point that a global network held up by exactly four towers is completely impossible with our technology. This also somewhat answers the "why not build more" question.

As for putting them in the sea, you just contradicted yourself. You said they wouldn't be targeted by the Grimm because no people would be near them to attract the Grimm (although we've seen that Grimm can attack non-living things and Salem can command Grimm), then your idea for protecting them is to put people near them. And so far we have only seen two types of sea Grimm; we've also only had three episodes set in the ocean. To small a sample size to make that determination. Not to mention the massive logistical challenge that is building a giant tower in the middle of the ocean, whilst having to fight off Grimm during the entire construction process.

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#62163: Nov 13th 2019 at 10:16:29 PM

Yeah, people are putting this on ozpin in reallity he just find a sort of inspiration mofit of unity, remenber remnanent is not a fully ocupied, work, the tower are inside each tower and is telling that the bad guy are trying to blow it out each one of them and hell Salem would try to do the same here in Atlas(in fact here is a prediction: they will do it in the end, meaning that vacou would be cut off, exactly what Salem want).

The power also served as determent because it stop the idea one kindom fully invading the other because they depend of each other, if that sound too much, I remind you here in real life we used the idea of having more bomb that we need it to destroy all life on eart as way to war less, if that is not insanity, I dont know what it is.

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#62164: Nov 14th 2019 at 12:06:08 AM

I just realised another limitation in positioning; power. Unless you're chucking dust crystals into a furnace in the basement it needs to be on a power grid reliable enough to give it constant power, which pretty much limits it to a city. All up we only know of 11 cities, four are the capitals, two were destroyed, one is Argus and presumably can't support a military base and a full fledged CCT tower, and the remaining four are unknown beyond being named.

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#62165: Nov 14th 2019 at 12:44:48 AM

So I saw the 6th Issue of the RWBY comic, and it's really goddamn bizarre and outright bad. It's RNJR running into an outpost where they're refused entry because the people inside saw Penny's death at the hands of Pyrrha and don't trust Hunters. Ruby has this narration throughout the issue that makes her come off like an edgy 90s Anti-Hero that heavily clashes with what personality we got from her then.

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#62166: Nov 14th 2019 at 12:50:59 AM

¨But birds that dont hatch just dies in their eggs"......

Ruby, have you hear that weird talking raven again?

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#62167: Nov 14th 2019 at 3:08:07 AM

Holy shit ruby's face

That is hilarious

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#62168: Nov 14th 2019 at 3:09:13 AM

Okay, who injected Ruby with testosterone?

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TheLovecraftian Since: Jul, 2017
#62169: Nov 14th 2019 at 4:01:38 AM

The way they did her eyes combined with how dark her speech is makes it look like she's contracted Youngblood's Disease.

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#62170: Nov 14th 2019 at 4:10:01 AM

Between Raven taking shit of summer in bird form and now RWBY taking very edgly, this comics are fucking weird.

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Tharkun140 The Arch-Douchebag Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
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#62171: Nov 14th 2019 at 5:57:44 AM

And in fact her anger issue is one reason im reserved about bumblee happen because while Yang and Blake have a conection, Yang constant trust and anger issue couple with Blake passiveness and story with an abuser give me bad vibes about the two.

Oh, I feel you. Blake and Yang are an awful match due to their personalities alone and their personal histories make things about ten times worse. I would pay to see a spinoff of RWBY that consists solely of Blake and Yang trying to manage a relationship together, only to fall into a circle of insecurity, jealousy, mutual malice, empty lust, traumatic flashbacks and general pathology. Sadly, I don't think the writers intend to take things in that particular direction. They will likely tease Bumblebee until the end of the series and if some relationship developes, it will be indistinguishable from ship teasing anyway.

I'm hoping they don't completely forget about Yang's PTSD now that Adam's dead, because it's not that simple. It doesn't have to be huge, just a reference here or there where at a low point she starts shaking. Maybe some dialogue with/about Ruby (you know, her sister?) where Yang laments not being able to just shake things off and keep going like nothing happened.

Frankly, I think that would only tick me off more. Having Yang lament that she can't shake everything off, when she actually does shake everything off as far as we are shown, would be just strange. The writers had a chance to make Yang's PTSD matter, they decided not to. Dropping the subject entirely is probably the best solution right now.

So I saw the 6th Issue of the RWBY comic, and it's really goddamn bizarre and outright bad. It's RNJR running into an outpost where they're refused entry because the people inside saw Penny's death at the hands of Pyrrha and don't trust Hunters. Ruby has this narration throughout the issue that makes her come off◊ like an edgy 90s Anti-Hero that heavily clashes with what personality we got from her then.

Eh, I'll take that speech over the ones Ruby gives us in the show proper. At least she bothers to use metaphors and doesn't blatantly contradict the past events. Also, the issue shows that Pyrrha's actions had some impact on the world, which given recent developments is a welcome sentiment. I will thank the comic book for that, at least.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#62172: Nov 14th 2019 at 6:22:20 AM

I'll take that speech over the ones Ruby gives us in the show proper. At least she bothers to use metaphors and doesn't blatantly contradict the past events.

I recall a few speeches from Ruby:

  • delivering a Shut Up, Hannibal! to Torchwick in Volume 3
  • writing a letter to Taiyang in Volume 4
  • giving Oscar a pep talk to Oscar in Volume 5
  • speaking to Qrow and, later, Boot Lady in Volume 6

So now I will review each of those and make my own private judgment of that statement without talking about it here. Suffice to say I am darn curious.

EDIT: XD Somebody actually made "a video about "the problem with Ruby's speeches."

I feel like it wasn't her job to pull out the military's chief Grimm-killing weapon and use it on a gang of teenagers, a group which included Weiss. Like. Maybe blast the rogue ship out of the air. Maybe keep them from leaving. Maybe just call down the rest of the military on them.

But not have an extended kaiju battle with them.

Edited by Soble on Nov 14th 2019 at 6:35:52 AM

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#62173: Nov 14th 2019 at 6:52:43 AM

And now that I can finally watch Episode 2 I've finally watched the Volume 7 intro - seemed like I should wait this time around instead of watching it at the tail-end of the first episode.

The rate at which these intros have begun to resemble more conventional anime openings:

  • characters fading into dust
  • Jacques and Winter folding their arms next to Whitley and Weiss respectively
  • Team RWBY leaping and posing through their various outfits at the start
  • All of the new outfits give me the "anime protagonist" vibe - but we've already covered that
  • Camera zooming into people's eyes
  • Whoever the frack that one, Orochimaru-looking guy is when the Ace Ops appear
  • The Ace Ops themselves - they look like the attractive yet non-threatening racially diverse cast of a CW show
  • The silhouette of Tyrian break dancing then standing on his tail
  • The cleavage
  • The hints to what's going on this Volume - true they've been doing this since Volume 6 but now we're seeing Qrow fighting Tyrian, Ironwood trying to deck Oscar, a future team-up between RWBYNJR and the Ace Ops, tension between Ironwood and Robyn.

It's a beautiful intro but god I hate it so. Stuff like this was there since Volume 1 but in smaller, less frequent doses. Now it feels like they've just gone all-in.

Or maybe it's just the outfits. God I hate those outfits. And Jaune's hair. God I hate his hair.

I'm also noticing a disturbing lack of Emerald and Mercury in this intro. And Cinder and Neo too.

Edited by Soble on Nov 14th 2019 at 7:13:38 AM

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#62174: Nov 14th 2019 at 10:35:48 AM

As for putting them in the sea, you just contradicted yourself.
I didn't contradict myself. I said "settlements closest", as in if the tower was somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean, the huntsmen would be stationed in say either Greenland, Canada, or the coast of Europe. Far enough away it wouldn't attract the Grimm but they can still mobilize from should a coordinated attack be launched, taking either a speedboat or an airship to try and intercept any attacks.
Interesting note involving the intro. You'll see in the beginning that the teams are silhouetted, and note that RWBY are in their proper order. But while Oscar is shown with JNR, they aren't in the order that would form JNPR. If they were, Ren and Nora's spots would be swapped. So either they just slapped Oscar there and didn't bother with team arrangement, or if Oscar does become a team with them, they'll take on a new name with JNPR having died with Pyrrha. So what colors can be formed using their names in that order?
  • J A
  • L R
  • O P
  • N V

Edited by RebelFalcon on Nov 14th 2019 at 1:36:56 PM

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#62175: Nov 14th 2019 at 10:54:26 AM

[up] Are "stationed Huntsmen" really a thing that happens? We've seen that most adult Huntsmen don't actually work in groups, and even then their roles were definitely on the more regional side. Villages in Mistral rely on random Huntsmen passing by for security, but there are no dedicated Huntsmen just sticking around and protecting a region. They're literally just hired security.

The only ones with a capability and discipline for such an op are Atlesian Specialists, and Atlas was looked at with mistrust even before the Fall of Beacon chiefly because of its rampant militarization and uniformity.

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