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unknowing "GREAT AND GLORIOUS DESAPAIR!" from somewhere..
"GREAT AND GLORIOUS DESAPAIR!"
Jul 10th 2019 at 9:33:15 AM

And we are back to Adam, dont worry I get the strugle.

In fact in order to not fall back into complaing, what about head canons!

To start with Adam, I thing he is from Atlas actually and is uniform is in fact based on Atlas military with the color swichs, in a way making and sort of stament against Atlas, that also can explain is martial training and kinda authoritarian way of being.

"how Blake gave him hope for a future and he just threw that away, ect."

Funnt thing is I want the oposite: with Adam saying he saw everything and just cursing Blake with is last breath saying she will always be a foolish girl who lash on violent people and soon she will said what human are capable.

I mean, the guy is spite, like him die like spitefull motherfucker.

"There is only one truth in this life and that is DESPAIR!"
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A*
Jul 10th 2019 at 9:34:14 AM

[up] Either a moment of clarity or going down swinging would be better than what happened with him where the writers seemingly tried to have it both ways or weren't sure themselves about what type of character Adam was supposed to be.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Jul 10th 2019 at 12:38:22 PM

Tharkun140 The Arch-Douchebag Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
The Arch-Douchebag
Jul 10th 2019 at 9:36:57 AM

Torchwick's death was also weak, but the abruptness of it was tolerable given the meat grinder feeling of the volume 3 climax where a bunch of other characters get hurt, maimed, or killed, and there wasn't nearly as much of a stink.

Torchwick's death is actually one of my favorite moments in te series. Amusingly, despite getting eaten by a mook without a warning, Torchwick got treated with far more respect Adam would be eventually served. In his final two minutes of life he showed that A) He actually has a motivation which makes some sense B) He is a human being capable of caring for at least one other person C) He can beat up Ruby like a naughty child D) He has his own philosophy, one which actually gets proven at least partially right in the following episode. As far as antagonists' deaths go, I can't really ask for more.

Funnt thing is I want the oposite: with Adam saying he saw everything and just cursing Blake with is last breath saying she will always be a foolish girl who lash on violent people and soon she will said what human are capable.

I mean, the guy is spite, like him die like spitefull motherfucker.

That sounds pretty cool. I find it kind of depressing that there are ways to make Adam a better character without actually changing anything about him.

Edited by Tharkun140 on Jul 10th 2019 at 6:39:36 PM

Apathy is Death. Worse than Death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds beasts and insects.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A*
Jul 10th 2019 at 9:40:06 AM

[up] The problem with Torchwick's demise is that it was completely out of nowhere, which works fine in an Anyone Can Die series but is poor form elsewhere. If the show had stayed the way it was at the end of volume 3 where character's dying was commonplace and it felt like the tone was going to be completely different going forwards ala Madoka that would have worked well, but given they didn't abruptly slaughter JNR 1 hour into volume 4 I think they should have at least used his death for something.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Jul 10th 2019 at 12:42:34 PM

unknowing "GREAT AND GLORIOUS DESAPAIR!" from somewhere..
"GREAT AND GLORIOUS DESAPAIR!"
Jul 10th 2019 at 9:42:46 AM

For me it was bad because just right the moment before Roman show ruby a good old ultraviolence while showing a lot of deph, is that kind of moment you wish roman to stay.

Tharkun: thanks I saw that in a legend of five ring fanfic were a crab samurai(now talk me about spite) die and write a letter and said "if you read this Im dead and I only hope you die of the wound I made you".

"There is only one truth in this life and that is DESPAIR!"
RebelFalcon Sleeping Asshole from on your toilet Relationship Status: Abstaining
Sleeping Asshole
Jul 10th 2019 at 12:43:27 PM

Honestly, with Roman's death they had no choice, they had to kill him. They admitted themselves he was too fun to write and if they didn't kill him off, they'd be too tempted to insert him into plotlines where he had no business being. That's the problem with making a One Off villain into a Major Antagonist when the outline of the story didn't originally include him. They had to kill him, and giving a little bit of depth before his end was just to cap it off.

Cause really, with how they established him, they didn't have another way to off him that fit the story and wouldn't piss of the fans. Killing him off-screen would piss off the fans, and Ruby both wouldn't kill and was shown to be weaker than him, so she couldn't do it. So giving him a rant induced death was the only real way to do it.

They just had to get rid of him, so they had little option but to do it the way they did.

Had they sticked to the original plan and made the Albains the major antagonists of Volume 1, as in the liasons for the Fang like they were intended to be, not only wouldn't the sudden death be an issue, but there would be more weight to their roles in Volume's 4 and 5, as well as more weight to Fennec's sudden death.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Jul 10th 2019 at 3:45:07 PM

I wanted to watch While Rome Burns, yet I'm dumbfounded by everyone charging into the blaze. The FNDM was a mistake
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A*
Jul 10th 2019 at 1:36:03 PM

[up] I feel like they could have kept Roman on. He'd work just fine in Salem's group dynamic, everyone besides Tyrian there is just so serious and stone faced that he'd be a nice change of pace.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Jul 10th 2019 at 4:45:27 AM

unknowing "GREAT AND GLORIOUS DESAPAIR!" from somewhere..
"GREAT AND GLORIOUS DESAPAIR!"
Jul 10th 2019 at 3:03:01 PM

I mean they have just insert Neo who have less buissness now with a trite revenge motivation putting Roman is not so hard.

My issue is that I admit I wanted Ruby to kill him, it would have being great way to finish him.

"There is only one truth in this life and that is DESPAIR!"
Jul 10th 2019 at 5:21:40 PM

RWBY Panel (Rooster Teeth) | RTX 2019 (taken by a fan)

(Edit Video taken down)

Edited by Ryno_v on Jul 11th 2019 at 4:35:31 AM

FergardStratoavis -memes go here- from Leiston Fortress Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
-memes go here-
Jul 11th 2019 at 2:05:00 AM

From a logical standpoint, there would be no one to order Torchwick around if he survived, since Cinder was out of commission for a volume. Plus, he's an entirely Valoran presence; he has no business going out of Vale if he could just lay low and wash his hands off the whole sordid affair.

Plus, if you give Torchwick to the baddies, Neo comes as a bonus - and we run into risk of having too many villains either not getting focus or just getting completely upstaged by the two. It can work in the short term, but it would probably end up hurting the narrative and some of our sense of disbelief ("you mean this dude with a cane is the strongest fighter the baddies have"). I mean, for all of his expanded role, Torchwick doesn't even have a Semblance. Badass Normal character, particularly a fight-loving villain is an overdone classic as far as tropes go, but if you don't have a Semblance you're either Jaune or a disposable. (unless you get by with unorthodox means like Ironwood)

Edited by FergardStratoavis on Jul 11th 2019 at 11:05:27 AM

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Jul 11th 2019 at 5:43:40 AM

leaked preview of volume 7 from RTX [1]

FergardStratoavis -memes go here- from Leiston Fortress Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
-memes go here-
Jul 11th 2019 at 6:01:28 AM

I guess ordinary firearms are only useless if it's redshirts using them.

But man, how is this a thing? How did a pack of Grimm just waddle into the city all leisurely?

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Darthwyn Mother Goddess from The void Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Mother Goddess
Jul 11th 2019 at 6:05:47 AM

Atlas robots have always been semi effective at most against the Grimm. Volumes 2 and 3 mostly have the best they could do was lay down cover fire to contain the Grimm.

FergardStratoavis -memes go here- from Leiston Fortress Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
-memes go here-
Jul 11th 2019 at 6:43:27 AM

[up][up] This is a problem though. They were first introduced in Volume 2, so I can believe that their performance was subpar thanks to those being early versions. We're in Volume 7 though, in Atlas proper, after give or take half a year. You mean to tell me there was literally no development as far as this brand new defense of the future is concerned?

I'm starting to think that you straight up need unlocked Aura to even have a shot at harming and killing a Grimm if you're not using some kind of overwhelming firepower.

Earth to earth, ashes to ashes, and dust to dust
Tharkun140 The Arch-Douchebag Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
The Arch-Douchebag
Jul 11th 2019 at 7:54:34 AM

The problem with Torchwick's demise is that it was completely out of nowhere, which works fine in an Anyone Can Die series but is poor form elsewhere. If the show had stayed the way it was at the end of volume 3 where character's dying was commonplace and it felt like the tone was going to be completely different going forwards ala Madoka that would have worked well, but given they didn't abruptly slaughter JNR 1 hour into volume 4 I think they should have at least used his death for something.

It might have been unexpected, but it wasn't exactly 'out of nowhere'. Roman was ranting about how life is brutal and the world is doomed, the negativity of which attracted the Grimm towards him. He didn't get randomly hit by a brick or something. He died during a climacting encounter with The Hero in a way that is reasonable in hindsight.

As for using his death for something... I think that we are operating on different wavelengths here. I don't need every character or every death to be "used" for something other than that character or that death. Sure, it's more efficient if one event serves multiple purposes within a story, but ultimately, not everything has to serve the main plot or the main character. I think that might be the reason why I like Pyrrha's death more than most people and I hate Adam's death more than most people. I simply don't get the idea that villains and side characters owe it to the main characters to aid them in their development. Pyrrha's storyline had little to do with team RWBY, and that's fine. Adam's storyline had everything to do with Yang and Blake, and that's not fine. Every character is entitled to their own moments and their own development, and if the main characters end up evolving as a result, that's just a nice bonus.

leaked preview of volume 7 from RTX

I don't have much to say about the clip, other than I enjoy seeing Ren being somewhat useful. No point drawing any more conclusions from a two-minute scene shown without any context.

The post directly below the clip though... it makes me want to give on RWBY altogether. If that's the target audience of the show, I can't imagine it ever growing into something truly competent.

This is a problem though. They were first introduced in Volume 2, so I can believe that their performance was subpar thanks to those being early versions. We're in Volume 7 though, in Atlas proper, after give or take half a year. You mean to tell me there was literally no development as far as this brand new defense of the future is concerned?

Why would there be? Major technological advancements don't have to show up every year and if they do, they don't always get immediately implemented everywhere. The militaries of our world often make use of 'outdated' weapons and given that Remnant has apparently far lower population than Earth, scientific advancement should be at least somewhat slower.

I'm starting to think that you straight up need unlocked Aura to even have a shot at harming and killing a Grimm if you're not using some kind of overwhelming firepower.

This once again makes me wonder why hasn't everyone unlocked their auras long ago, since it can apparently be done by one person, within a minute and without any negative effects.

Apathy is Death. Worse than Death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds beasts and insects.
FergardStratoavis -memes go here- from Leiston Fortress Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
-memes go here-
Jul 11th 2019 at 8:05:12 AM

[up] Because there's a mighty need for things to kill spooky black goo monsters with. I can understand that Atlas wasn't built in a week, but if that's the showing Ironwood's bots constantly have - inside Atlas, no less, and not on some errands in what ruling class of the country considers some backwater (Vale) - that makes his posturing from earlier volumes that much more laughable (and dangerous in the long run).

As for why Aura is not unlocked, presumably it's not that easy. Pyrrha made it look easy, but maybe you need some special parameters or what not (that Jaune happens to fulfill on account of being from a line of distinguished war heroes, on top of his huge Aura reserves - or by simply having protag powers).

Edited by FergardStratoavis on Jul 11th 2019 at 5:06:24 PM

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Jul 11th 2019 at 8:13:48 AM

[up][up]I can understand why people don't get their auras unlocked like why would they need what would normal Jim need an aura for?

That also not getting in to how people don't bother to learn skills they should know like swimming, riding a bike, driving a car, cooking, doing laundry, taxes.

Jul 11th 2019 at 8:19:53 AM

Adam was introduced as a foil to Blake from the very beginning. The whole concept of his character comes from a dark twist on Beauty and the Beast. It only follows that his story be intertwined with hers.

Tharkun140 The Arch-Douchebag Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
The Arch-Douchebag
Jul 11th 2019 at 8:32:22 AM

Adam was introduced as a foil to Blake from the very beginning. The whole concept of his character comes from a dark twist on Beauty and the Beast. It only follows that his story be intertwined with hers.

Well yeah. Nobody's arguing that Adam should have gotten his own story that has nothing to do with Blake. The issue is that he doesn't get his own philosophy, character development or even personality beyond being generically evil.

I can understand why people don't get their auras unlocked like why would they need what would normal Jim need an aura for? That also not getting in to how people don't bother to learn skills they should know like swimming, riding a bike, driving a car, cooking, doing laundry, taxes.

Aura isn't even a skill. The way it is presented, it is more akin to getting vaccinated — except instead of an immunity to a paricular disease, you get immunity to most types of physical trauma.

Edited by Tharkun140 on Jul 11th 2019 at 5:54:54 PM

Apathy is Death. Worse than Death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds beasts and insects.
FergardStratoavis -memes go here- from Leiston Fortress Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
-memes go here-
Jul 11th 2019 at 8:56:25 AM

It is kind of a skill, since you need to consciously keep it up.

[up][up][up] Well, Grimm are commonplace enough to make me think unlocking Aura is simply not something people know how to do (because if it's a matter of not wanting to or not feeling like it, boy, those outside settlements deserve all misfortunes that befall them, apparently). Those who trained in combat schools likely know that, but Huntsmen are just a small portion of the population.

Edited by FergardStratoavis on Jul 11th 2019 at 5:58:08 PM

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RebelFalcon Sleeping Asshole from on your toilet Relationship Status: Abstaining
Sleeping Asshole
Jul 11th 2019 at 9:06:49 AM

[up]x10 I don't even think they are in Atlas. For one thing, Atlas is freaking Laputa, the Castle in the Sky. The Grimm we see however are Sabres, Sabretooth Tiger/Smilodon esque Grimm, with no visual flight capabilities. The fact they are invading the area, and that the main cast are just up and walking around, makes it pretty obvious they aren't in Atlas, but Mantle, the city directly below Atlas.

And if they are in Mantle, of course they'd have lesser models/previous gen tech. Mantle is practically abandoned compared to Atlas, the most it being used for is the mining facilities that Ilia's parents worked in. It's even said Mantle pretty much lives in Atlas' shadow, only literally it seems. So if its lower priority than Atlas, they wouldn't waste the better tech on it.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Jul 11th 2019 at 12:10:33 PM

I wanted to watch While Rome Burns, yet I'm dumbfounded by everyone charging into the blaze. The FNDM was a mistake
Tharkun140 The Arch-Douchebag Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
The Arch-Douchebag
Jul 11th 2019 at 9:07:30 AM

[up][up] Jaune was able to survive a multi-meter fall about an hour after getting his aura unlocked. Even if he spent that hour training somehow, it seems like a worthy tradeoff. And I think that if there were some special parameters required to unlock an aura, we'd had heard of them by now.

The explanation I came up with for the purpose of writing fanfics is that by unlocking someone's aura you pernamently lower your own aura level. It means that you will only wish to unlock someone's aura if you really care about them, have something major to gain or are so thirsty you will give up a part of your soul for some random blonde.

Edited by Tharkun140 on Jul 11th 2019 at 6:08:13 PM

Apathy is Death. Worse than Death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds beasts and insects.
FergardStratoavis -memes go here- from Leiston Fortress Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
-memes go here-
Jul 11th 2019 at 11:46:27 AM

[up][up] I meant Atlas as a whole country, but yeah, that makes sense. Which strikes me as veering really hard into heavy-handed showcase of racism, the kind that does not factor in the fact that, presumably, the Fauni make up a majority of the mining workforce that excavates Dust to begin with.

Racism isn't something very rational, granted. But then there's the question what the team's doing in Mantle to begin with if Vol 6 ended with them airborne and approaching Atlas proper. Incidentally, you might just want to [quoteblock] the post fragments of interests rather than going for so many arrows.

[up]If that is the case, can you unlock Aura on your own or will it always be unlocked by someone else, presumably a parent or other relative?

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Tharkun140 The Arch-Douchebag Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
The Arch-Douchebag
Jul 11th 2019 at 12:25:17 PM

[up] It will almost always be someone else, but I tend to add a caveat that an organism can unlock it's own aura under extreme stress by sacrificing a part of its soul — something akin to cannibalizing your own body. It helps explain why characters such as Emerald or Adam have their aura up even though their backstory shouldn't allow for it otherwise.

I also like toying with the idea that by unlocking somebody's aura you pass some of your characteristics onto them. It opens some interesting possibilities for character development, as well as allows me to justify drastically changing the personalities of the cast in my stories.

Edited by Tharkun140 on Jul 11th 2019 at 9:32:44 PM

Apathy is Death. Worse than Death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds beasts and insects.

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