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I kindly request that we stop with condescending snips.
Aw, I was just being a bit snarky. But fine. Didn't mean to be, well, mean to anybody.
Wait, the popcorn was because you were getting a kick out of me?! I had a feeling...
Real Talk though, what was I doing that was so entertaining? Being long-winded? Being Entertainingly Wrong to you guys? Being overtly passionate? Being butt hurt in your eyes?
Edited by RebelFalcon on Jun 10th 2019 at 12:45:36 PM
Being a RWBY fan.
So as mentioned before, there was that Weiss vs Mitsuro from Persona death battle. It just came out. If you're curious who won, Mitsuro won it. At least that'll stop all the accusations of RWBY bias.
....So being a RWBY fan somehow makes me entertaining?
Why are some of you guys even watching the show then if you aren't fans?
People can have a variety of reasons to watch a show ranging of looking to see if it improves or possibly using at as a guide for their own writing in a knowing what not to do regarding some plots.
Neat, that will make Weiss even more of a Memetic Loser. That's all I've been hoping for.
Depressingly enough, RWBY is a really good guide how not to write stories. Not because it's the worst story ever, but because its flaws come from easy-to-identify writer pitfalls and decisions that seem obviously bad in hindsight.
Edited by Tharkun140 on Jun 10th 2019 at 7:45:57 PM
Still wondering how me being a fan equals being entertaining though.
Why were you hoping for her to be more of a Memetic Loser?
Edited by RebelFalcon on Jun 10th 2019 at 2:29:50 PM
I think the point of this joke was that you will have a hard time defending the show from a horde of angry critics. As for why I want Weiss to be a Memetic Loser, I just find jokes about her uselessness to be really funny. I don't hate Weiss or anything, but there is something particularly amusing about the Ice Queen getting her ass kicked repeatedly.
Edited by Tharkun140 on Jun 10th 2019 at 8:36:44 PM
I like the series still. It's just that I feel it's lost a lot of the goofy charm earlier volumes have while what it's gained in exchange (more consistent animation, an actual plot, better voice acting, better developed characters) just gets up to "okay" levels rather than "actually good". That, and the fight choreography (which was arguably the series' biggest selling point if you aren't into it for the CGDCT factor) took a sharp hit after Monty's passing — we've gotten some incredible fight scenes since (Qrow versus Tyrian and Adam versus Blake and Yang being the highlights, Raven versus Cinder has its upsides but doesn't play to the show's strengths and has several other issues) but the average quality is far lower (V5 was embarrassing in that regard) whereas previously even "filler" fights like Pyrrha versus CRDL and the food fight were amazing.
If it's defending the show, I understand why it would seem entertaining then.
I will stand resolute though. While I acknowledge it's flaws and won't defend it for the legitimate mistakes it made, I will gladly argue with any critic if I feel they are simply bashing or getting things wrong.
For while RWBY is nowhere near perfect, I still enjoy it, and will see it through even with the bad times like Volume 5. Even if it ends on a bad note, I will look back on what I enjoyed and the characters I liked, just as I've done with many shows before, like SVTFOE and ARC-V.
Cause in the end, it's just a show. I won't go nuts over it, I'll just try to enjoy it.
Edited by RebelFalcon on Jun 10th 2019 at 2:46:38 PM
The sad thing about RWBY is that mostly everyone just watched for cool fight scenes and the name attached to it.
After Monty passed, the rest of the crew had to pick up the slack and decided to focus less on action and more on the plot and characters.
God bless Luna and Miles because I know they're trying their best, but writing just isn't their strongest suite unfortunately. So with average fight scenes and an average plot, you're left with a decidedly mediocre product.
I don't hate the series mind you and I'm invested enough to at least hope they improve with time, and they have. The flaws however are too numerous to ignore a lot of the time however.
I admit, people seem to enjoy bashing this series too much but it is flawed.
Luna and Miles? Its Luna and Shawcross or Kerry and Miles. And its not that Miles can't write, cause as seen with Red vs. Blue: The Chorus Trilogy and Camp Camp, he can write both plot and emotion.
Honestly, the fights scenes weren't why I started watching. I'd never even heard of Monty Oum before watching RWBY, and if I wanted to watch Fight Scenes I'd have stuck with watching Death Battle.
I tried it out when only Volume 1 was around, but dropped it soon after. The fights weren't enough when the acting was stilted, the animation was limited outside of the fights, and the series focused on high school stuff mainly. I only came back after Volume 3 was in motion after hearing about some of the newer characters, developments for existing characters, and a possibly interesting Myth Arc.
I stayed after that not for the action, but just for the story and characters. The story may be a Cliché Storm, but I still find myself enjoying it when its actually progressing, and I like a lot of the characters. In fact, of the Main Characters, the only ones I don't necessarily like are Ruby and Yang, and even then I don't even hate them.
@Rebel Falcon The popcorn thing was more of a general thing. Two days ago I made a silly joke about getting popcorn because people were discussing the So This Is Basically video, and since I have no stake in that, I thought a joke would be appropriate. After that, people discussed for a while, and then when I thought they were starting to wind down, you made a few long posts, which is generally like honey to flies in this forum (I won't deny having made and responded to those myself), so I presumed the discussion would continue, point at which I made another popcorn joke just for fun. I was a bit snarky to you after that, though, and if you felt insulted by that, I do sincerely apologize. It wasn't meant to be more than playful ribbing, but I overstepped. My bad.
Mind you, I don't think there's anything wrong with being a fan of RWBY (provided one isn't a part of the more toxic parts of the fandom), but I do find the tendency with which the show attracts long-winded discussions about itself amusing, especially when I'm not falling into that habit myself, which is why I thought I'd make a few jokes about it. It didn't go over as well as I hoped, but that was more on me.
I could describe why I keep watching the show despite not really counting myself as a proper fan of it anymore, but that's a longer post that I'm going to leave for later.
Edited by TheLovecraftian on Jun 10th 2019 at 6:30:08 AM
I think RWBY is a lot smarter then some people give it credit for. Oh make no mistake there's tons of flaws but there's alot of stuff that's really well Thogut out.
I thought "The Lost Fable" was a perfect demonstration of how to Subvert audience expectations correctly(Looking at you GOT Season 8)
I critique pretty much every second of the show and it's been nothing but disappointment since the first episode of Volume 4, yet I can't stop being a fan of it. I'm too attached to the series to quit it. I critique it so much because I like it too much. It's terribly written yet I can't stop being fond of it.
Kind of reminds me of the Sonic the Hedgehog fandom; the series may not exactly be great, but the fanbase is passionate...perhaps a little too much so. And they're definitely both the butt of many jokes.
6xSomething I noted in media is that when a show is ok or mediocre is that they get more critic or criticism on it that then show that are bad or show that are good.
As someone who loves most Sonic titles, I've never understood why so many fan-haters bother staying around the fandom if they hate the series so much. I guess they're too attached to the characters and are hoping that the next installment is pleasing.
The Sonic Cycle homes, its a bitch.
Sure sounds like RWBY :V
In so many RWBY reviews (and some just nitpicking videos) one of the main criticisms are wasted plot potentials and hoo boy, Adam almost always get brought up.
I think that good or bad, Adam made a really strong impressions to the audiences.
Edited by dRoy on Jun 12th 2019 at 4:01:14 AM
@Rebel Falcon as Lovecraftian said, the popcorn joke wasn't at your expenses. It was simply a way to say that, while you all discuss, I enjoy the scene. I didn't want to sound mean to anyone
Edited by fishysaur on Jun 11th 2019 at 12:45:29 PM
I appreciate the two of you for being sincere, and thank you for the apologies. Its no big deal, no hard feelings.
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