RWBY General Discussion

That IS a large part of the reason her character archetype exists

Thinking on it now, she really is Achilles. He died to move the plot forward and died from an arrow, after which his body was burnt.

I mean, symbolism > plot, plot < symbolism. But I don't know, looking at it that way, Pyrrha's death gels better with me.

Edited by Soble on Sep 11th 2018 at 4:57:37 AM

I don't see why her character shouldn't have died. That was a decision that really lent weight to the verse, and the proceedings; killing a major character really raised the stakes.

It was what happened after her death that was the mistake.

I would like to have a trope proposal: Raven warns Yang not to follow Qrow and Ozpin when they met earlier in the Volume 5 episode "Known by its Song". And by the time of "Haven's Fate", Raven tells Yang that she warned her about this. Would that count as a potential example of I Warned You?

Edited by gjjones on Sep 11th 2018 at 1:07:44 PM

No, because Yang hasn't received any consequences by not listening to Raven.

Hmm, seems fair enough.

RWBY Vol.5 - How Weiss vs. Vernal Should Have Ended: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRv1NAdTUU8

Basically an alternate ending for the fight where Weiss used her brain instead of wasting time on trying to summon the knight.

"Okay, I'm wet."

Me too, Cinder.

n/a

Edited by Soble on Sep 11th 2018 at 5:42:26 AM

So I caught up on RWBY recently. I'm sure this is old news, but I'm terribly amused by the realization that Salem, on top of being the Wicked Witch of the West, is also Cinder(ella)'s Fairy Godmother.

Really hoping for some Cinder backstory next season. She has a lot of hate and resentment for the world and, given who she's based off of, small wonder. I mean, it's not hard to imagine a backstory for her. Presumably she got dumped on, Salem offered a way to take back control of her life, and now she wants to kill the world. As y'do. But it'd be neat to see it.

I was super worried about getting more backstory for Qrow and Raven because I wasn't sure if what we got would satisfying live up to their mystique. But then it did, so that's cool.

It's a little awkward that people keep calling what Oz does reincarnating. Like. He's not being born again into a new life. It's more like when his current host dies, he possesses a new one. Oscar wasn't born as Oz; he's a totally separate person who just one day got the honor/burden of being Oz's new meat-sack.

I mean, I know they said the hosts eventually assimilate into the chimera-entity that is Oz's soul. But. That's still not reincarnation. In fact, it's the literal opposite of reincarnation.

Weiss is Best Pony for Team RWBY. Nora for Team JNPR (and by association, RNJR). Qrow for non-Team characters.

I really want a Yang v. Adam fight at some point. Dude cut off her arm. Blake doesn't get to claim Archnemesis Ownership of him anymore. And as of season 5, Blake's gotten a really satisfying confrontation and defeat of Adam, so although she does get dibs, she's already been given that fulfillment of her story.

Yang, in addition to Adam cutting off her arm, just seems like a really interesting matchup for Adam. They have basically the same Semblance. They both store enemy attacks and then return the power in kind. Adam blocks hits with his sword, leaving him unharmed, and then returns the energy in one quick stroke. Yang blocks hits with her face, causing damage to her Aura, but gets to retain the power for prolonged periods of harm-dealing.

Their previous encounter is pretty much exactly the way a fight between them should go down, given their particular styles. Yang's not a dodger and Adam had already stored up some power in his blade for a strike powerful enough to break right through Yang's Aura. Makes sense. But Yang's learning to be less dependent on letting her opponents beat the shit out of her and, y'know, actually try to fight people instead. So I'd be down for a rematch with an older, wiser Yang who's learned how to dodge.

...hmh.

I guess its the name "Oscar." It makes you think that this kid was meant to fit some kind of rule, "Ozpin -> Oscar" even though we don't have anything to reference. Why would Ozpin pick this kid who has no idea what's going on, no training, and doesn't even want to be Ozpin? We know the Maidens go by the rule of "young girl" so maybe Ozpin goes by some kind of "young boy with an O-name" rule.

It makes his Semblance seem even more sinister, assuming that's what it is - if he's not deliberately reincarnating then his Semblance is parasitic, keeping his consciousness alive and transferring it to a random person before gradually taking over their personality, and not because that person is destined to become Ozpin as some sort of cosmic lynchpin, but because of the randomness of the universe. We'd all like to think that Ozpin is more benevolent than that. But the only time his power was hinted at, it was described as making him "more than just a man."

Also, Oscar's lack of backstory - we know he has a mom and that he lived on a farm but nothing else - and his choice to just leave home makes it seem like he has a special destiny, like he was reincarnated specifically to be the next "Ozpin." If he had parents who we'd met and if we'd learned a little about his life, I'd get the impression that this was wholly random and that Oscar was an actual person, not just a reincarnation. As it is, he was a ranch hand, and then he was the next Ozpin.

Not that you're wrong, that's just where my mind went initially.

Edited by Soble on Sep 12th 2018 at 6:38:18 AM

I suppose it is possible that Oscar was literally created for the purpose of being Oz's next host body. It's still not exactly reincarnation, since he's still possessing an existing person rather than just being born from scratch to a new body, but it's closer to the idea.

I think Oscar's supposed to be Luke Skywalker. He's got the farm boy element. He has an unknown father who we're not given any reason necessarily to think might be anything suspicious but is still notably absent. He yearned for more and then one day a big cosmic destiny fell into his lap courtesy of a ghostly mentor teaching him how to become not just a Magic Knight Person Thing, but the Magic Knight Person Thing.

If so, then they could go either way. Either he has an important dad who's a villain, or they can take a page out of Anakin's book and have him be a virgin birth created by the supernatural forces of the universe.

EDIT: Also, I wish Yang would use more combat puns. It'd be great. What's worse than being killed with a kickass Pre- or Post-Mortem One-Liner? Being killed with a shitty one.

Like. Imagine knocking Yang out of the field and some quick teamwork results in pulling her back in for a flying momentum-driven super-punch smash right in your face. Then the last thing you hear as you fade is, "Looks like you were no match for my BOOMER-YANG!"

Insult to goddamn injury right there.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 12th 2018 at 8:27:11 AM

Maybe Ozpin can transfer to his children upon dying.

Just wanted to post a link this really nice RWBY AMV set to Devil Trigger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qxdlu5LWlo

My apologies to those who are trying really hard to get this song out of their head.

Edited by windleopard on Sep 12th 2018 at 10:00:41 AM

Yeah, like, she was from a noble family and in her early childhood she had everything she wanted, then her parents decided to give up their noble status and live a "normal life", only to be forced to run away and live in the dump by the people who wreaked all their rage on them after years of abuse from the nobles. Her father asked the nobles to come back to their old life, or at least some help, but they refused. So from a life of complete luxury, she lives in complete poverty, forced to eat garbage to survive. Then her mother dies of sickness while she and the rest of her family are caught again by the people, tied and tortured with arrows, that experience causes Cinder's powers to awaken and she accidentally knocks out everyone who was torturing her and her family.

However, by that point, Cinder was so consumed by all the hatred against everyone, from the poors who tortured her, to the nobles who refused to help her, and even her own father, whom she kills without remorse. However, her power is recognized, and some offer to help her, telling her she's destined to be great. Cinder accepts, and slowly begins gaining all the power she had as a noble and even more, exploiting her powerful allies to grant her any wish but at the same gaining allies to replace the family she lost, all while declaring war to the entire world, who caused her all the sufferings she went through as a kid.

That would make her an amazing, terrifying and realistic (in the sense that it feels like a real person) villain. Oh, wait...

P.s. Yes, I got the description from Super Eyepatch Wolf's video

Edited by fishysaur on Sep 12th 2018 at 10:23:35 AM

Unicorn of War on the Pyrrha being Achilles. She doesn't see it as the case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIRGtQlDM9g

Dear Hazel,

Dust Crystals Explode When They Get Shot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHKjRTTcNiM

Sincerely,

Ruby Rose.

To the young Ms. Rose,

KAAAAAKAROOOOOOOOOZPIIIIIIIIN!!!

Always a pleasure,

Hazel

EDIT: You know, there's something tremendously ironic about a man who is supernaturally incapable of feeling physical pain but motivated entirely by emotional pain.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 12th 2018 at 3:54:08 AM

Cinder hates elevators.

New Dumb_RWBY comic

http://dumbrwby.tumblr.com/post/177835258074/eunnieverse-legspng-nora-explains-her-logic

Somebody didn't get enough pancakes this morning.

Regarding Oz's moral ambiguity, it's weird that they even try to make him morally ambiguous.

Like.

Salem wants to    MURDER THE EARTH   . Oz, meanwhile, puts human lives in jeopardy by training them to become talented warriors so that they can try and stop Salem from    MURDERING THE EARTH   .

Like. I'm not sure where the equivalency is here.

Maybe he could afford to be more forthcoming with some of the arcane secrets he possesses, but the best defense some of those secrets have is that very few people know about them. And it's not like he needs to worry about passing on his wisdom to the next generation before he snuffs it.

I mean, he's not even really being deceptive. He tells his students that they're training to stop the Grimm from butchering people. When their secret ulterior purpose is to stop the Grimm from butchering people. They are being sent to fight the exact enemy they are being told that they're going to fight. They just don't know the enemy has a master.

As the seasons go on, more and more people show up to talk shit about how dangerous and awful Oz is, but they're all Windmill Arguments. He's pretty unambiguously a force for good.

Like. When one side is proposing genocide, it's hard to really blame the other side for army-building.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 13th 2018 at 5:47:33 AM

What Adam Taurus REALLY Thinks (RWBY Thoughts) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKbHLpmoZfw

Contrary to what I said before - maybe that's just what the Ozluminati want everyone to think.

Besides, even if you stop the lady who wants to murder the earth, doesn't necessarily mean putting the man who brainwashes children into being his soldiers into power should be the solution.

I think that's why everyone is so uppity about Sasuke Uchiha in Naruto being the MVP in the fight against Kaguya who, like Salem, wanted to murder the earth, or at least mankind. Despite the fact that Sasuke's actions and quest for more power were vital in Kaguya's defeat it doesn't necessarily excuse everything he did to get there.

In order of needing to be dealt with ASAP:

The woman who wants to murder the... wait, what does Salem want to do? > > Her pet demon creatures that hunt and kill humans instinctively > The guy who tricks people with special powers and wise words.

Edited by Soble on Sep 13th 2018 at 4:46:46 AM

What brainwashing? I'm pretty sure everyone who signs up to become a Hunter or Huntsman does so with the knowledge that they're going to be expected to be warriors who fight and slay Grimm.

It's not brainwashing to ask people to become soldiers and then make the ones who sign up into soldiers. Nobody enrolled at Beacon expecting to be a tax accountant.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 13th 2018 at 5:47:03 AM