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Mar 2nd 2018 at 8:02:38 AM

Ya never realize just how much stuff ya have until it's gotta be cleaned up.

AnoBakaDesu Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
Mar 2nd 2018 at 8:09:26 AM

I'm pretty sure Vale, Atlas and Mistral are large enough to warrant their own pages, as detailed in this earlier post (read further posts for adjustments).

"They played us like a DAMN FIDDLE!" — Kazuhira Miller, Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
Mar 2nd 2018 at 8:37:33 AM

I'm thinking that my vision for the "In General" folders would hypothetically be something akin to the "In General" folders in the character sheets for different factions and planets in Star Wars like the Rebel Alliance, Coruscant, Tatooine and Naboo.

Ych. Half those tropes break the Examples Are Not General rule. I don't think that's a good model to base RWBY pages on. Besides, generalising tropes for a Kingdom is not troping people, it's troping setting. I'm already against the Technology page we've got because it's troping tools instead of people (and placing half of Weiss's tropes under the White Knight section instead of Weiss's section). I'm not in favour of troping Kingdoms as though they're characters.

I have two questions about recent edits you've made to the pages. Apologies if they sound abrupt, I'm trying to be concise rather than abrasive.

  • Why did you change the RWBY team page's "In General" folder to "As a Group" and leave all other pages with team general folders as "In General"? I thought "(In) General" was standard? At the very least, the pages should be consistent.
  • I notice you've added an instruction to the main RWBY page telling everyone they must put character tropes on the character pages and epispode/arc tropes onto Recap pages instead of using the work pages. Is that a rule anywhere? I know an enforced character split was not a rule two or three years ago, has that changed (note, I'm not questioning removing story tropes from character pages, that I support)? Also, aren't Recap pages suppose to be optional?

[up]Quite. As I stated at the time, I don't think all the Kingdoms warrant being separated out to individual pages yet, but Atlas needs to be since it's already loaded and is about to be the focus of the next volume or two; Vale and Mistral can at least get away with being split out now, we just need to decide how to handle Vacuo and Menagerie (leave them together on the same page for now, perhaps). As a result, I have no problem splitting all the Kingdoms out now if that's what people want. General folders for a Kingdom, however, make no sense — especially after we give each Kingdom its own page.

edited 2nd Mar '18 9:02:56 AM by Wyldchyld

gjjones Musician/Composer from Amherst, New York
Musician/Composer
Mar 2nd 2018 at 11:17:43 AM

Why did you change the RWBY team page's "In General" folder to "As a Group" and leave all other pages with team general folders as "In General"? I thought "(In) General" was standard? At the very least, the pages should be consistent.

I thought teams would be under "As a group" because they are simply a group of characters, but I guess I could be mistaken.

I notice you've added an instruction to the main RWBY page telling everyone they must put character tropes on the character pages and episode/arc tropes onto Recap pages instead of using the work pages. Is that a rule anywhere? I know an enforced character split was not a rule two or three years ago, has that changed (note, I'm not questioning removing story tropes from character pages, that I support)? Also, aren't Recap pages suppose to be optional?

If I recall correctly, there were some discussions at Ask The Tropers (you may want to search for "character tropes" there). In one of these discussions, Fighteer pointed out:

In theory, the only tropes listed on Characters subpages should be tropes on the Character subpages are the ones on the Characterization and Characters as Device indexes; everything else goes in the main article. Plot Tropes and Settings should always go on the main article. In practice, we rarely live up to that ideal largely because the current wiki software provides no mechanism to automatically categorize examples.

So, depending on the work, if a trope is only in relation to the one character such as Raven or a group like Team RWBY, it's a character trope. However, if it relates to the character as they are in the narrative such as Foreshadowing or Nice Job Breaking It, Hero! (which are story tropes), then it's not. It depends on the work, unless it's some of the tropes that are always not.

I also thought that if there's a trope occurring in specific episodes only, it can optionally be moved to the recap pages for the specific episodes (there aren't story arcs on the particular recap pages), but I'll probably ask on ATT if so desired.

edited 2nd Mar '18 11:52:33 PM by gjjones

No matter who you are, always be yourself.
Mar 3rd 2018 at 4:37:41 AM

As I said, I've got no problem with the Character tropes; plenty of works enforce that one (the Bleach pages, for example). It was the Recap one that bothered me since Recap sub-pages are supposedly 'optional'. The expectation with them is that only people who have watched the work will be viewing them, which is why they're a Spoilers Off type of page. However, given that the main work page is something anyone is likely to view, banning plot and setting tropes from there doesn't make any sense to me. Even if they're episode-specific. That should be the first place to put them. The Recap pages (where they exist) would just be for a spoilerific version of the example.

edited 3rd Mar '18 4:39:28 AM by Wyldchyld

gjjones Musician/Composer from Amherst, New York
Musician/Composer
Mar 3rd 2018 at 8:40:46 AM

I understand about the recap issues. I was only trying to help; like I said, maybe we can ask about moving tropes to the recap pages on Ask The Tropers? I think that could be an idea.

edited 3rd Mar '18 1:29:12 PM by gjjones

No matter who you are, always be yourself.
TheLovecraftian Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Mar 3rd 2018 at 12:56:53 PM

Oh, hey, I genuinely forgot this was today.

Girl's Night seems fun. I kind of want to join. I have a beautiful dress and a flamethrower, so I think I'll fit in nicely.

edited 3rd Mar '18 12:58:25 PM by TheLovecraftian

Karxrida Backrow Blizzard from Darkness within Darkness
Backrow Blizzard
Mar 3rd 2018 at 1:08:31 PM

I like how they felt the need to give Yuri Lowenthal a voice credit for the Cinder Puppet.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with? || [1]
Mizerous Fallen Maiden from Oil Ocean Zone Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Fallen Maiden
Mar 4th 2018 at 2:10:56 PM

[up] He could use it to cheer Emerald up for Cinder being gone for the moment.

Who are you again?
gjjones Musician/Composer from Amherst, New York
Musician/Composer
Mar 4th 2018 at 3:24:48 PM

Pursuant to the recap issue, I've took it to Ask The Tropers, which can be found here.

edited 4th Mar '18 5:04:53 PM by gjjones

No matter who you are, always be yourself.
Soble A time lord Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
A time lord
Mar 4th 2018 at 6:32:34 PM

No RWBY fans, you are the demons.

Laconic: RWBY fans and their harassment of the show's creative forces have been chronicled as part of the show's unfortunate history. Shane Black's letter did not help the situation. Blake's voice actress was harassed for trying to defuse the Ship War situation.

Me: Maybe Twitter and tumblr are just awful platforms for engaging with an audience. Man, and this is why Jeff is so adamant on his songs not meaning anything. Part of me wants to know just how vitrolic this supposed Hate Dom really is. TV Tropes has really sheltered me this past couple of years.

Graaaaaaaaaaaaaass... tastes bad.
Saiga Helpful & reliable Pope of Bleach & DB threads from Sunny Australia Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
Helpful & reliable Pope of Bleach & DB threads
Mar 4th 2018 at 6:59:47 PM

Wait what was Blake's VA harassed over?

We stare at broken clocks
VoidsEmpathy Emissary of the Void from Realm of In-Between Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Emissary of the Void
Mar 4th 2018 at 7:02:06 PM

Hm, that could very well be the case. Usually there's less focus on the shipping here and more on the narrative aspects of the show. While I have looked at tumblr for a little bit of the RWBY stuff, it has been too bad, but then again, I'm very selective on who I follow that keeps me safe from the worst of the FNDM.

@Arryn: She came down to a thread (on reddit, I believe) that discussed shipping implications in Jeff Williams' music. Fans did not react well...

edited 4th Mar '18 7:04:00 PM by VoidsEmpathy

"No one can stop death..."- Malthael
sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Mar 4th 2018 at 7:09:37 PM

Wait what was Blake's VA harassed over?
Immediate thought: For being Blake.

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
VoidsEmpathy Emissary of the Void from Realm of In-Between Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Emissary of the Void
Mar 4th 2018 at 7:11:10 PM

I just... what??

"No one can stop death..."- Malthael
Karxrida Backrow Blizzard from Darkness within Darkness
Backrow Blizzard
Mar 4th 2018 at 7:14:43 PM If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with? || [1]
sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Mar 4th 2018 at 7:23:17 PM

Given the irrational hate Blake seems to get here, alone, I'm not entirely joking.

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
Mar 4th 2018 at 7:24:41 PM

Apparently it was shipping related, which in this show is very Blake-centric.

Karxrida Backrow Blizzard from Darkness within Darkness
Backrow Blizzard
Mar 4th 2018 at 7:25:40 PM

[up]x2 We've had several conversations concerning the writing issues surrounding Blake and her negative influence on the show.

I wouldn't call that kind of hate irrational.

edited 4th Mar '18 7:27:11 PM by Karxrida

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with? || [1]
Mar 4th 2018 at 7:26:47 PM

The issues themselves might not be irrational, but the lengths some people go with it, honestly, especially you, does often come off as unnecessary and irrational.

sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Mar 4th 2018 at 7:30:19 PM

[up][up] It's still unfathomably intense for a fictional character.

What I've seen often falls under what I call "over-the-top vitriol".

edited 4th Mar '18 7:31:50 PM by sgamer82

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator
Serial Procrastinator
Mar 4th 2018 at 7:38:40 PM

I think that's massively misstating the point.

90% of the problems I see people here have with Blake is with how long her arc lasted and how the WF stuff was handled in general, not with Blake herself. (I'd say she's middle of the road, rarely the weak link character wise but never the best handled one either).

As to whether it was unnecessary vitriol or not is subjective.

Heck, the character that was most hated as a result of that whole Trapped by Mountain Lions arc wasn't Blake so much as Ilia, for being a one-girl Spotlight-Stealing Squad.

edited 4th Mar '18 7:43:04 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Mar 4th 2018 at 7:45:12 PM

We've had at least one person literally say "Blake is trash". That's over the top vitriol, any way you cut it.

Subjective or not, I entirely believe "Being Blake's Voice Actress" would be enough justification for someone out there to give the woman grief.

edited 4th Mar '18 7:49:46 PM by sgamer82

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator
Serial Procrastinator
Mar 4th 2018 at 7:50:30 PM

"Given the irrational hate Blake seems to get here, alone, I'm not entirely joking."

One person saying "Blake is trash" is hardly the trend of irrational hate which you implied in your first comment. In fact it's pretty mild.

"Subjective or not, I entirely believe "Being Blake's Voice Actress" would be enough justification for someone out there to give the woman grief."

Mm. The majority of fandom problems, I'd argue come from not being able to seperate fiction and reality properly.

edited 4th Mar '18 7:51:49 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Mar 4th 2018 at 7:52:21 PM

At least one. I'm willing to be there's been more than that. But that's what stuck out.

Mm. The majority of fandom problems, I'd argue come from not being able to seperate fiction and reality properly.
Which really only strengthens my point.

edited 4th Mar '18 7:53:01 PM by sgamer82

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works

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