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I'm pretty sure Vale, Atlas and Mistral are large enough to warrant their own pages, as detailed in this earlier post (read further posts for adjustments).
Ych. Half those tropes break the Examples Are Not General rule. I don't think that's a good model to base RWBY pages on. Besides, generalising tropes for a Kingdom is not troping people, it's troping setting. I'm already against the Technology page we've got because it's troping tools instead of people (and placing half of Weiss's tropes under the White Knight section instead of Weiss's section). I'm not in favour of troping Kingdoms as though they're characters.
I have two questions about recent edits you've made to the pages. Apologies if they sound abrupt, I'm trying to be concise rather than abrasive.
Quite. As I stated at the time, I don't think all the Kingdoms warrant being separated out to individual pages yet, but Atlas needs to be since it's already loaded and is about to be the focus of the next volume or two; Vale and Mistral can at least get away with being split out now, we just need to decide how to handle Vacuo and Menagerie (leave them together on the same page for now, perhaps). As a result, I have no problem splitting all the Kingdoms out now if that's what people want. General folders for a Kingdom, however, make no sense — especially after we give each Kingdom its own page.
edited 2nd Mar '18 9:02:56 AM by Wyldchyld
I thought teams would be under "As a group" because they are simply a group of characters, but I guess I could be mistaken.
If I recall correctly, there were some discussions at Ask The Tropers (you may want to search for "character tropes" there). In one of these discussions, Fighteer pointed out:
So, depending on the work, if a trope is only in relation to the one character such as Raven or a group like Team RWBY, it's a character trope. However, if it relates to the character as they are in the narrative such as Foreshadowing or Nice Job Breaking It, Hero! (which are story tropes), then it's not. It depends on the work, unless it's some of the tropes that are always not.
I also thought that if there's a trope occurring in specific episodes only, it can optionally be moved to the recap pages for the specific episodes (there aren't story arcs on the particular recap pages), but I'll probably ask on ATT if so desired.
edited 2nd Mar '18 11:52:33 PM by gjjones
As I said, I've got no problem with the Character tropes; plenty of works enforce that one (the Bleach pages, for example). It was the Recap one that bothered me since Recap sub-pages are supposedly 'optional'. The expectation with them is that only people who have watched the work will be viewing them, which is why they're a Spoilers Off type of page. However, given that the main work page is something anyone is likely to view, banning plot and setting tropes from there doesn't make any sense to me. Even if they're episode-specific. That should be the first place to put them. The Recap pages (where they exist) would just be for a spoilerific version of the example.
edited 3rd Mar '18 4:39:28 AM by Wyldchyld
I understand about the recap issues. I was only trying to help; like I said, maybe we can ask about moving tropes to the recap pages on Ask The Tropers? I think that could be an idea.
edited 3rd Mar '18 1:29:12 PM by gjjones
Oh, hey, I genuinely forgot this was today.
Girl's Night seems fun. I kind of want to join. I have a beautiful dress and a flamethrower, so I think I'll fit in nicely.
edited 3rd Mar '18 12:58:25 PM by TheLovecraftian
I like how they felt the need to give Yuri Lowenthal a voice credit for the Cinder Puppet.
He could use it to cheer Emerald up for Cinder being gone for the moment.
Pursuant to the recap issue, I've took it to Ask The Tropers, which can be found here.
edited 4th Mar '18 5:04:53 PM by gjjones
No RWBY fans, you are the demons.
Laconic: RWBY fans and their harassment of the show's creative forces have been chronicled as part of the show's unfortunate history. Shane Black's letter did not help the situation. Blake's voice actress was harassed for trying to defuse the Ship War situation.
Me: Maybe Twitter and tumblr are just awful platforms for engaging with an audience. Man, and this is why Jeff is so adamant on his songs not meaning anything. Part of me wants to know just how vitrolic this supposed Hate Dom really is. TV Tropes has really sheltered me this past couple of years.
Wait what was Blake's VA harassed over?
Hm, that could very well be the case. Usually there's less focus on the shipping here and more on the narrative aspects of the show. While I have looked at tumblr for a little bit of the RWBY stuff, it has been too bad, but then again, I'm very selective on who I follow that keeps me safe from the worst of the FNDM.
@Arryn: She came down to a thread (on reddit, I believe) that discussed shipping implications in Jeff Williams' music. Fans did not react well...
edited 4th Mar '18 7:04:00 PM by VoidsEmpathy
I just... what??
A truly heinous crime.
Given the irrational hate Blake seems to get here, alone, I'm not entirely joking.
Apparently it was shipping related, which in this show is very Blake-centric.
x2 We've had several conversations concerning the writing issues surrounding Blake and her negative influence on the show.
I wouldn't call that kind of hate irrational.
edited 4th Mar '18 7:27:11 PM by Karxrida
The issues themselves might not be irrational, but the lengths some people go with it, honestly, especially you, does often come off as unnecessary and irrational.
It's still unfathomably intense for a fictional character.
What I've seen often falls under what I call "over-the-top vitriol".
edited 4th Mar '18 7:31:50 PM by sgamer82
I think that's massively misstating the point.
90% of the problems I see people here have with Blake is with how long her arc lasted and how the WF stuff was handled in general, not with Blake herself. (I'd say she's middle of the road, rarely the weak link character wise but never the best handled one either).
As to whether it was unnecessary vitriol or not is subjective.
Heck, the character that was most hated as a result of that whole Trapped by Mountain Lions arc wasn't Blake so much as Ilia, for being a one-girl Spotlight-Stealing Squad.
edited 4th Mar '18 7:43:04 PM by Sigilbreaker26
We've had at least one person literally say "Blake is trash". That's over the top vitriol, any way you cut it.
Subjective or not, I entirely believe "Being Blake's Voice Actress" would be enough justification for someone out there to give the woman grief.
edited 4th Mar '18 7:49:46 PM by sgamer82
"Given the irrational hate Blake seems to get here, alone, I'm not entirely joking."
One person saying "Blake is trash" is hardly the trend of irrational hate which you implied in your first comment. In fact it's pretty mild.
"Subjective or not, I entirely believe "Being Blake's Voice Actress" would be enough justification for someone out there to give the woman grief."
Mm. The majority of fandom problems, I'd argue come from not being able to seperate fiction and reality properly.
edited 4th Mar '18 7:51:49 PM by Sigilbreaker26
At least one. I'm willing to be there's been more than that. But that's what stuck out.
edited 4th Mar '18 7:53:01 PM by sgamer82
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