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Yeah. You can vent all you want, rant about how you hate men, straight people, cisgender people, whatever. But if you call for them all to be killed, raped, mutilated, turned into frogs... you're kind of a dick, in my opinion. I get where you're coming from, but that's still not cool.
Rhyme Beat honestly reminded me of why I'm iffy about Schroedinger's Rapist. As someone sexually abused and had her rapist be called charming I totally understand women being wary of men, but with stats like this, "every man has potential to be a rapist" is certainly going to trigger victims off. I need to look around more because I've never seen that brought up.
I'd just like to make it clear that me saying I have Aspeger's was not in anyway meant to be read as anything like "I'm going through the same thing he does so I don't think he has any right to complain" and I apologize if it did.
edited 12th Apr '14 8:43:29 PM by DrStarky
This is exactly what I'm saying, thank you.
You know what's funny, there have been multiple cases throughout high school and middle school where I did something stupid or just plain awful and was given less punishment because of my disability.
But the thing is, I don't really want that. The idea that I should be let off the hook for what I say or do because I am "not normal" psychologically makes me feel like I'm weak. Like the things I do don't really matter at all because I'm "that Asperger's kid", like my actions are automatically of less consequence.
This is part of the reason why I don't think that people who are less privileged shouldn't be called out for saying something truly dickish: in my mind it reinforces their lack of privilege by treating them as though they're less important.
edited 12th Apr '14 8:51:24 PM by Zennistrad
Addendum: The dick thing only applies if you do it in public. If you do it in privacy, where no one can be affected by it, that's fine.
Zennistrad: Consider yourself lucky in that sense. My ex had aspergers, and he would be frequently punished more harshly, or treated more harshly, because of it
See, this isn't entirely consistent to me. If you hate somebody that much, why do you care about them at all? If somebody engaged in a lengthy, vitriolic, argument with me, I'd feel like they were trying to get me to off myself.
edited 12th Apr '14 8:57:40 PM by Robotnik
Anger does not mean the same thing as hate.
...that seems a bit black and white, to me. For example, I've engaged in long vitriolic arguments with my best friends and that was certainly not my end goal. anger in one area does not mean across the board HATE FOR ALL.
edited 12th Apr '14 8:58:50 PM by MrAHR
In my experience, it really does.
But I wouldn't engage in vitriolic arguments with my best friends in the first place. I wouldn't consider them my best friends if talking to them made me angry.
edited 12th Apr '14 9:00:48 PM by Robotnik
It does not, very much it does not.
You can be angry with some one and not hate them, I am often angry at my friends, they are still my friends.
Well, that's your experience.
The main distinction: Anger is temporary, and triggered by something specific. Hatred is mostly permanent, and triggered by multiple factors.
Also, even if one hates someone, that doesn't mean they wish death or assault. I hate Justin Bieber. I don't want him dead or assaulted.
Regardless of the difference between the two, here's the thing;
Being yelled at by somebody doesn't shame or shock me into anything; it just makes me angry because I feel like someone's trying to intimidate me and use me for a punching bag.
I'm not saying feminists can't or shouldn't "vent", but it's not a universally successful tactic. Nothing is.
edited 12th Apr '14 9:16:29 PM by Robotnik
Definitely true! Unfortunately it's hard to know what strategy works in the long run, so often times you'll see a variety of strategy employed by a variety of people.
That's quite enough of this bullshit rudeness, slagging, dismissiveness, and personal crap. I'm locking this thread down and there will be discussion among the mods about whether it will be reopened at all and what else is to be done.
Don't hold your breath waiting for it to be reopened.
Ok, after discussion among the mods, we've decided that this thread is too toxic to be reopened.
A new one will be made for talking about the show, and only the show. General discussion about women's issues, men's issues, privilege, or any of the hot-button -isms will not be welcome here; we have dedicated threads for those topics elsewhere in the forums.
It should go without saying that the "No nastiness or dickery" rule will apply to the new thread, but considering how much nastiness and dickery there was in this one, I guess it needs to be said: All the forum rules will apply to the new thread, and if it gets nasty, it will also be shut down, and that will be the end of it. This also means that carrying a fight from this thread over to the new one will be treated as "Importing a war".
Y'all are getting a fresh start. Don't fuck it up.
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