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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#201: Jun 26th 2013 at 10:47:11 AM

TAFF YOU. [lol]

edited 26th Jun '13 10:47:23 AM by Thorn14

Nicknacks Ding-ding! Going down... from Land Down Under Since: Oct, 2010
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#202: Jun 26th 2013 at 10:52:31 AM

I wouldn't mind this so much if the devs were presenting themselves as anything else but completely incompetent. I'd accept some sort of a reboot if they had something they wanted to say with the Thief franchise or has a distinctive vision to supplant it. A side-step, if you will. Metroid or Prince Of Persia style. But they've got nothing they're trying to do.

They're being more tactful than 'Ninja Theory' was with Devil May Cry, but at least 'Ninja Theory' had something to say. This is just Thief denatured.

Edit: A frankly beautiful post from Something Awful that I just had to share.

I really dislike steampunk for the reason that it's a reactionary fantasy of progress without modernity, this idea that you can have technology and globalization without radical contingency, like having Edison and Rockefeller but not the (from a reactionary perspective) "troublesome" van Gogh and Malevich. Usually, they are worlds perpetually stuck in the world just before the advent of modernity without actually arriving there, maintaining an ancien regime-type society indefinitely.

I like that in Thief, at least this fantasy isn't entirely present, or is to some degree subverted. The "pagans" are not the good guys, as they would be in the worst kind of postmodern fashion: they are holistic and "in touch with nature" but this amounts to brutality and barbarism. Karras and the mechanists are a kind of futurists or fascists, drawing the (correct) conclusion that if all the world is to be mediated by technology and capital, mankind itself should disappear (Karras of course excludes himself from this conclusion): the "builder's paradise" is like those concept drawings of Fascist buildings with no people present in them. If Fascism is the index of a failed revolution, then we may assume that the Mechanists are a response to the City's failure to provide social justice to its poor, and, correctly, the Fascist Mechanists are revealed to be bed partners to the law and vested interests at the expense of the poor.

Garrett is a kind of fantasy of an unalienated precarian, which is a basically correct insight: the only way to avoid alienation of one's production today, and tumbling from one job into another fruitlessly, is by breaking the law and stealing one's share. The only problem is that it elevates this response to the solution itself. There is no change in the order of things, Garrett only prevents them from getting worse, even though he himself realizes that his own cynicism is itself at times untenable, this doesn't really lead to any kind of change.

So you could say that this new game will introduce a new layer of alienation: you are not even allowed to directly produce in your fantasies anymore (meaning you cannot simply steal things according to your own judgment even in a videogame) but rather the game will offer you your share of the loot, like a boss in a corporate office, whenever and only if it sees fit, guiding your actions along the way. This is, I think, why this kind of game really pisses people off.

edited 26th Jun '13 11:11:32 AM by Nicknacks

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metaphysician Since: Oct, 2010
#203: Jun 26th 2013 at 12:43:04 PM

[up] Sigh. Its a nicely biting analysis, but I just can't take seriously someone who acts like revolutionary Marxism is something actually *different* from Fascism, as opposed to the same building with a different coat of paint.

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#204: Jun 26th 2013 at 12:47:37 PM

Technically Marxism isn't same as facism tongue Its just in practice, at least what happened in our history, its not much difference :P

Note: I'm not sure what is difference between revolutionary Marxism and just Marxism

edited 26th Jun '13 12:48:08 PM by SpookyMask

metaphysician Since: Oct, 2010
#205: Jun 26th 2013 at 8:53:18 PM

Well, I suppose its useful to distinguish between Marxist economic/historical theory, versus the actual doctrine of communist revolution. Granted, the former are largely just as much voodoo as the latter.

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Nicknacks Ding-ding! Going down... from Land Down Under Since: Oct, 2010
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#206: Jun 26th 2013 at 10:14:27 PM

That argument's too reactionary for my blood.

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metaphysician Since: Oct, 2010
#207: Jun 27th 2013 at 7:40:34 AM

The world is reactionary, then, because real life does not follow ladders of progression. Its branches. :p

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Nicknacks Ding-ding! Going down... from Land Down Under Since: Oct, 2010
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#208: Jun 27th 2013 at 7:53:50 AM

There's a definite truth to that idea though. [lol]

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ShadowScythe from Australia Since: Dec, 2009
#209: Jun 28th 2013 at 4:03:49 AM

Edit: A frankly beautiful post from Something Awful that I just had to share.

Jeez Something Awful has had a paywall up for several weeks now and there are all sorts of great posts like that, that I'm missingsad. What gives...

No I don't have $10 to spare, especially not with a steam sale coming up

Nicknacks Ding-ding! Going down... from Land Down Under Since: Oct, 2010
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#210: Jun 28th 2013 at 4:11:59 AM

Edit: Just saw the spoiler post.

I get the feeling that a great deal of posters over there are your kind of people, SS. I don't post there very much, but I'm ramping up to it. Thinking about doing a DA 2 LP for a while now. You should join if you've got a chance, when you're got a chance. :)

edited 28th Jun '13 4:13:22 AM by Nicknacks

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metaphysician Since: Oct, 2010
#211: Aug 16th 2013 at 10:16:43 AM

http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/youqe3/thief-gc-2013--uprising-trailer

Okay, seriously. Are they even pretending to not rip off Dishonored?

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#212: Aug 16th 2013 at 12:07:33 PM

I liked some of what I saw in that, I believe, but the City feels a little... generic, and Garrett just doesn't feel like the Garrett that I'm familiar with; in particular, he seems a little more eager to become involved with a cause (well, a cause other than filling his own pockets) than I'd expect of Garrett: I seem to recall that one of the things that I liked about the character in the previous games was that he really wasn't interested in taking part in Keeper prophecies and machinations, but kept ending up drawn into saving the world anyway.

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Jhimmibhob Since: Dec, 2010
#213: Aug 16th 2013 at 12:29:30 PM

[A] reactionary fantasy of progress without modernity, this idea that you can have technology and globalization without radical contingency, like having Edison and Rockefeller but not the (from a reactionary perspective) "troublesome" van Gogh and Malevich. Usually, they are worlds perpetually stuck in the world just before the advent of modernity without actually arriving there, maintaining an ancien regime-type society indefinitely.

SOLD!

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#214: Aug 16th 2013 at 5:42:01 PM

I wonder if I can find my old Thief CD's...Seeing the new uh..."Thief" makes me want to play the old ones again.

It'll even let me jump and use rope arrows wherever I want! Crazy!

metaphysician Since: Oct, 2010
#215: Aug 16th 2013 at 7:44:31 PM

[up] Both Steam and GOG have the whole series. GOG is 10 per game, Steam is 7-9 per game, with a discount if you get all three.

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#216: Aug 16th 2013 at 8:43:21 PM

I'm poor so I'm going to scrounge around my house first.

ShadowScythe from Australia Since: Dec, 2009
#217: Aug 17th 2013 at 3:44:49 AM

Should've got them in the steam sale. It's great, easy to mod, there's good fan missions. And even Thief 3 seems great next to what's going on with "Teef".

metaphysician Since: Oct, 2010
#218: Aug 17th 2013 at 6:40:55 AM

I probably should go back and finish Thief 3, but I lost patience with the hostile hub when they unleashed Keeper assassins into it.

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#219: Aug 17th 2013 at 5:20:41 PM

New trailer. Sort of reminds me of Dishonored. Dark, decaying city being ravaged by plague amongst the poor that the nobility seems to be ignoring.

supergod Walking the Earth from the big city Since: Jun, 2012
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#220: Aug 24th 2013 at 12:28:11 PM

Remember when people were saying the cynics were overreacting from tiny pieces of information, and that it's probably not going to be as bad as it seems? Good times...

edited 24th Aug '13 12:30:50 PM by supergod

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Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
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#221: Aug 24th 2013 at 9:14:26 PM

Ever since Dm C Devil May Cry I'e basically thought a lot more of the over-reacters.

Especially the claims of gameplay missing the point of the original games.

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#222: Aug 24th 2013 at 11:03:50 PM

You know, with the descriptions we're getting, it sounds like we're getting Dishonored with the Deus Ex: Human Revolution model. I don't think that would work very well.

onyhow Too much adorableness from Land of the headpats Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Too much adorableness
#223: Aug 24th 2013 at 11:08:01 PM

^ Why?

Give me cute or give me...something?
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#224: Aug 25th 2013 at 8:33:05 AM

Well, the world sounds really similar to Dishonored and you have the differing amounts of xp depending on if you kill someone or not, that sort of thing. It's nothing really definite right now, it's just the impression I'm getting.

onyhow Too much adorableness from Land of the headpats Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Too much adorableness
#225: Aug 25th 2013 at 9:40:47 AM

Well I dunno, but I feel that Deadly Shadows is actually a bit similar to Human Revolution...not the exp thing, mind, but with level structure, namely with hubs and separate mission areas...well, some of the cases for HR anyway...

Give me cute or give me...something?

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