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Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
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#276: May 26th 2013 at 12:17:31 AM

[up]Where d'you think Murphy got most of his medals? World War II wasn't exactly big on trenches.

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drunkscriblerian Street Writing Man from Castle Geekhaven Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: In season
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#277: May 26th 2013 at 12:36:50 AM

I'm not certain where military leaders got the idea that good soldiers are big and meaty. War is not a football pitch last time I checked.

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#278: May 26th 2013 at 1:42:48 AM

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I recall Audie Murphy had to carry a hell of a lot less than the modern soldier.

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Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
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#279: May 26th 2013 at 1:51:54 AM

[up]They're trying to cut back on that, though, because it's turned out to be a serious health problem for even the biggest, buffest soldiers, and a liability in terms of combat effectiveness.

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Imca (Veteran)
#280: May 26th 2013 at 11:37:56 AM

Man or Women, does not matter, 80lbs of gear is too much like said above.

Methods of reduction are being developed, and it will go back to not mattering.... there is also a peice of equipment being developed that will make carrying capacity null, it transfers most of the load directly to the bottom of your feet.

And then there is the mule, which if it ever enters sevice all you will need to carry is your armor and your gun.

edited 26th May '13 11:38:26 AM by Imca

Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
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#282: May 30th 2013 at 1:40:29 PM

[up] That is, on the most part, a pretty good article and lays out many of the reasons why, although I morally oppose abortion, I do not consider myself part of the pro-life movement. It also introduced a lot of things I wasn't really aware of (including that Obamacare is likely to cut abortions by 75%, which got me really excited, and that evidence points to the fact that the pill doesn't actually prevent implantation). The "The Biggest Killer: A Woman’s Own Body" section was so ridiculously awful in its logic it could serve as an example of how not to write an argument, though.

Gabrael from My musings Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#283: May 31st 2013 at 2:10:18 PM

I applaud that testimonial. It encompasses what many of those I have talked to personally have addressed as concerns with the pro-life movement.

And the logic of the body's rejection of pregnancies is very found. If the pro life was so concerned, they should be investigating how women's bodies reject pregnancies and trying to help them, not hurt them.

I don't like abortion. I would rather no women ever have to go through that regardless of their reasons. I have experienced miscarriages and its not fun. I have also talked to women who had abortions and none of them were ready to throw a party either.

One couple I knew decided to have an abortion due to their baby's development of a horrible disease that would kill it within a year of birth. That child would never be without pain, would have been born blind and developmentally disabled, and would have needed over 20 operations in order to even make a year of life. In my mind, this couple did the most pro life action by refusing to bring a child into the world in such pain.

I fear as a culture we have said life is good because it is. I think that is bullshit.

Quality of life should be our goal. Not just blind quantity.

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joeyjojo Happy New Year! from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Since: Jan, 2001
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#284: May 31st 2013 at 6:34:27 PM

I have no counterargument for the pain and misery of a doomed pregnancysad. But the logic of the body's rejection of pregnancies fails as it ignores the moral distinction between intent and outcome.

edited 31st May '13 6:36:30 PM by joeyjojo

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Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#285: May 31st 2013 at 10:06:50 PM

And the logic of the body's rejection of pregnancies is very found. If the pro life was so concerned, they should be investigating how women's bodies reject pregnancies...

Was this a response to my saying that the one section was full of logical holes? Because I very specifically did mean the one section I named, and it wasn't the section that was arguing that pro-lifers ought to support research into why some zygotes are rejected and some aren't. (The section I referred to was the one on "to be consistent, all pro-lifers should support having all potentially fertile women on birth control all the time.")

Karalora Since: Jan, 2001
#286: Jun 1st 2013 at 6:00:19 AM

But the logic of the body's rejection of pregnancies fails as it ignores the moral distinction between intent and outcome.

That just proves that pro-lifers are not nearly as interested in "saving lives" as they are in controlling women's behavior. This isn't unique to the abortion issue, of course. People are generally willing to throw a lot more effort into stopping "bad guys" than preventing accidents or reducing harm that is out of anyone's direct control.

joeyjojo Happy New Year! from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Since: Jan, 2001
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#287: Jun 1st 2013 at 7:44:39 AM

No argument here on. More people are killed by negligence then malice. But we still save the gallows for the 'bad ones'.

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Karalora Since: Jan, 2001
#288: Jun 1st 2013 at 11:55:56 AM

More to the point, given a few yards of planking and rope, we'd rather use it to build a gallows to hang thieves, than a fence to keep potential thieves away from our valuables.

And most anti-abortion activists prefer to use their time and money forcibly preventing pregnant women from aborting, than helping to ensure that women don't incur unwanted pregnancies.

DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#289: Jun 1st 2013 at 11:58:04 AM

[up] At first, I thought you were talking about this and was very confused.

I need more coffee.

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joeyjojo Happy New Year! from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Since: Jan, 2001
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#290: Jun 1st 2013 at 4:35:57 PM

[up][up] True. but claiming a woman's own body is the greatest killer is still no defence.

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Polarstern from United States Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#291: Jun 2nd 2013 at 6:29:42 AM

Defence of what?

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joeyjojo Happy New Year! from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Since: Jan, 2001
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#292: Jun 2nd 2013 at 5:56:16 PM

Inaction. While it's morally consistent (if psychotic) to hang a man for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his family. You only have yourself to blame when his children come after you hungry for more then just bread.

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edited 2nd Jun '13 6:30:13 PM by joeyjojo

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#293: Jun 2nd 2013 at 6:11:34 PM

Holy shit dude you really need to check your grammar because that sentence was a mess. This is a regular occurrence with your writing.

Anyway, "inaction" in this case seems to be referring to "not stopping a woman from getting an abortion". Which often equates to banning it rather than providing full services, including abortions, to look after a woman's health and financial success. Joey, I think we have different ideas of what inaction means in this case, and what action does as well.

joeyjojo Happy New Year! from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Since: Jan, 2001
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#294: Jun 3rd 2013 at 8:53:01 PM

I don't quite get what you mean Ace. The pro life movement could definitely throw in some carrots along with it's sticks but.

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#295: Jun 4th 2013 at 7:30:31 AM

What do you mean by carrots? I'm still not getting your train of thought here. Are you talking about after birth care and support? (Through things like paid maternity leave and social welfare for poor mothers of newborns, as well as free care for newborn babies. Or whatever you think of.)

joeyjojo Happy New Year! from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Since: Jan, 2001
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#296: Jun 4th 2013 at 7:38:11 AM

Pretty much I guess. More support for new mothers and pregnant women would definitely help the pro life cause. You can build fences while still hanging thieves after all.

edited 4th Jun '13 7:41:06 AM by joeyjojo

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Karalora Since: Jan, 2001
#297: Jun 4th 2013 at 8:36:49 AM

It would have to be real support, though. Not just a case of diapers and a lecture.

KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#298: Jun 4th 2013 at 9:01:16 AM

So basically, you'd need to have pro-sex pro-lifers—people who not only support the girl's sacrifice to have the child, but also support (even if not condoning) her decision to have sex in the first place. Because I agree with Karalora that telling a girl "Good job not aborting that innocent baby, you filthy whore" just doesn't cut it.

Gabrael from My musings Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#299: Jun 4th 2013 at 10:16:18 AM

We need to promote pro family across the board. I have a pair of friends who were married in July. After over a year of marriage they had their son in June. People still assume they were married because she was pregnant even though they weren't. Their boy is almost 10 and they still get shit from it.

This cookie cutter mentality is dangerous.

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#300: Jun 4th 2013 at 11:41:55 AM

[up]They can't do the maths? <puzzled>


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