Thanks, btw Nobuyuki Sigou from Sword Art Online was an intentional Hate Sink in the series while some viewers sees him as the scrappy for being an incompetent villain than Kayaba. Is he still a legit scrappy technically?
Not sure. Not all villains are meant to be seen as competent, and sometimes that lack of competence is what brings them down, which is intentional. The SAO fandom is pretty crap in my opinion, though, so I'm not sure whether that is the majority or just the vocal minority. There are a lot of loudmouths around that series, in any direction.
Check out my fanfiction!Question: Did this thread ever really come to a consensus about Nice Guy being The Scrappy or being on the Scrappy Index? I am asking because (1) y'all started talking about it
(at least a bit
) and (2) someone brought up the complainy aspects of the entry in the Removing complaining
thread.
I don't normally post in this clean-up effort, but I'd intuitively think that Nice Guy doesn't necessarily mean "flat character" or "The Scrappy."
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they prettyThe entry for Nice Guy on Scrappy Index:
reads like someone mistook it for Flat Character or The Generic Guy. I'm struggling to think of any examples where a character being 'a nice, friendly, well-balanced individual' caused them to be hated by the majority of their fandom, and if they do exist then they're vastly outclassed by the amount of nice characters who're treated with love or apathy by fans.
Definitely vote to remove it from Scrappy Index. I'd also vote to remove the Scrappy Index altogether, or limit it strictly to the tropes that are explicitly related to The Scrappy, but that might be a convo for another thread.
edited 12th Mar '17 11:56:56 AM by whizzerd
they/them || "Forgive me, regent of queer amphibians" - Lt.BGobYeah, remove Nice Guy from Scrappy Index. The entry is talking about a specific way to write it that isn't even specific to that trope, but to every other character trope there is, so I find it actively misleading, since it can get people to misinterpret what the trope is about.
Check out my fanfiction!I'd argue Nobuyuki Sigou from SAO is still a scrappy. The main reason is because while your supposed to hate him, the way the series does this is to make him a outright Complete Monster with no qualms more or less sexually assaulting Asuna. If he was just a Mad Scientist, than yeah he'd be an ass and not a scrappy but the fact he's such a despicable human being who really doesn't get what he deserves really seems to me to be a scrappy.
Also there's the sheer Squick factor of him. I don't like SAO and I think he's a scrappy, but that's just me.
edited 12th Mar '17 7:30:43 PM by keyblade333
Muramasa got.![]()
Yeah, no. Someone clearly designed to be that despicable is more likely a Hate Sink rather than The Scrappy.
x5 Are there any restrictions on submitting complaints on Scrappy Index at this point since the thread reached no consensus? Resubmit a TRS thread? IDK, even if we didn't reach a consensus it doesn't change the fact that it has problems if this recent issue shows anything. I was a little surprised about it closing, but I don't know what qualifications are for "No Consensus", so there might be something I'm missing. And if there's a better place to ask about this by all means tell me.
Well, no consensus doesn't mean further discussion is closed off. I'm not sure exactly what's the best option is to proceed, though. A more limited TRS thread for a lesser change or cleanup might work better, since the last one had a bunch of different mutually exclusive suggestions, which split everyone's opinions about what to do. Personally I think just removing all tropes that aren't directly related to audience hatred one way or another would work well enough, or at least to begin with. And even just that you can debate what actually counts as "directly related".
Check out my fanfiction!I guess Sugou is more of an intentional Hate Sink for raping Asuna in front of Kirito in VR.
This is all Zi-O's fault!![]()
Big is a bit different, as he gets more popular later on. Like Raiden, I'd say Big is only The Scrappy in Sonic Adventure 1 and Base-Breaking Character everywhere else.
Rescued doesn't mean they can't be the scrappy. It means that they got redeemed later on overall from being the scrappy. Both kinds of entries tend to coincide with each other.
My only question(as I asked earlier) is if we're supposed to have entries for both tropes, or if it's just the Rescued trope that only needs an entry. >.<
Shadow?
I feel characters in Rescued from the Scrappy Heap should not be listed under The Scrappy, if only because to be in Rescued from the Scrappy Heap, you had to be considered The Scrappy in the first place. The entry in Rescued from the Scrappy Heap can give a brief description of why the character used to be The Scrappy, while also mentioning how they managed to escape the label.
I think I agree. However, let's say Elise was hated in Sonic 06 but her actions in Sonic 08 makes her popular, I'd still say she is a Scrappy in 06 because the events that caused her to be rescued from the scrappy heap did not exist in that game.
edited 14th Mar '17 4:53:23 PM by RAlexa21th
Continue writing our story of peace.If the character is saved within the same work, I wouldn't list her. If it's something like a later game, and it's not an episodic game, if a character is The Scrappy for one game, and then gets a different treatment in another, the character is still The Scrappy as far as the first game is concerned.
Check out my fanfiction!Boom!Shadow being a scrappy is news to me and I'm knee-deep in the Sonic fandom over on Tumblr...
Okay so are we clear on at least cutting Cream and possibly Charmy? Possibly Marine as well? I'd say Silver can go as well because one of the few things about that game fans elected to hang on to.
The Olympic games need to go as well because it seems to be an intentional plot device.
I want to know so I can go and make the cleaning edits.
edited 14th Mar '17 7:04:44 PM by shoboni
I don't remember any cases where Marine was well received at all, or rescued, so I think she can stay.
Big definitely counts for Adventure 1, is rescued in other games and can have that trope instead, and if it's a general Sonic page, apply rescued with a short summary of what he used to be.
Charmy was kind of annoying in the games, but I don't remember him being any worse that base breaking.
Boom!Shadow was very much hated for being a literal shadow of his old personality and just there to cause trouble. He's even worse in the show where's he's a serious villain for the sake of it. Even his own game's personality is significantly more popular, being he wasn't flat at all. That said, when was he rescued? Cause I agree he deserves the spot. Did the fandom let up on him to make him base-breaking? Either way, there's no question he was disliked immensely for his role in the series.
Did he get new episodes in Season 2? In Season 1, he was purposely edgy(not in the fun way like in Shadow's regular game), constantly praised by Eggman, wasn't actually played for laughs at all, and everything was severely serious compared to other episodes. If he got rescued in a later episode, then yeah, might not be as bad, but his first show impression left a lot to be desired. It's like they took his less popular game personality from Shadow's game itself and ramped it up so bad they removed the cheese and anything remotely funny about it. Why, I dunno. It also is very accurate to his pointlessly dark personality in the Boom games. He was always dark, but also had real motivations too. His first appearance in the games leaves him as nothing more than a flat obstacle for Sonic, and his other ones are still pretty low on motivation, so it's understandable why many didn't like him much at all. This is why I say he's a valid entry(albeit, if people actually no longer hate him like they used to, than base-breaking is more appropriate).
edited 14th Mar '17 11:36:12 PM by Irene
Shadow?

You just did and therefore wasted your question. You do, however, get a second one if you're nice, so go ahead.
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