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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#851: Aug 3rd 2016 at 7:21:41 PM

Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE lists three characters: Itsuki, Tsubasa, and Barry. I think Itsuki and Tsubasa should probably go, considering they're the main characters and the complaint is that they're Vanilla Protagonists. Barry can probably stay, though, I've never heard anything good about him and most think he's a huge creep; specifically, he's a grown man who lusts after an underage singer, something MUCH more acceptable in Japan than the West.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#852: Aug 3rd 2016 at 7:30:31 PM

That sounds more like Americans Hate Tingle, if it's acceptable in Japan. How's the character perceived there?

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snakeky-man Since: Jun, 2016
#854: Aug 6th 2016 at 3:37:10 AM

I still think Rose is liked by to much of the fan base to count as the scrappy And

a character can't be a Base Breaker and a scrappy at the same time

edited 6th Aug '16 3:39:25 AM by snakeky-man

snakeky-man Since: Jun, 2016
#855: Aug 6th 2016 at 3:41:27 AM

most of the hate is not even to rose it is more about the company and it has died down a lot to the point were their are two animes out of the game that Rose is from

snakeky-man Since: Jun, 2016
#856: Aug 6th 2016 at 4:16:18 AM

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TheScrappy/TalesSeries I think Colette is not a scrappy seeing how her own scrappy page say's that she is not as hated as she used to be and she was in the top 30 in the latest popularity poll I could find witch came out before tales of zestiria.

as for duke it sounds like he is only listed as a scrappy because he was not that good of a villain even thought people can still find a character unimpressive as a villain and still like said character.

Marta scrappy entry looks a bit fishy and look's like it was made by a blind fanboy or fangirl.

Now on to Karol and Estelle in the latest popularity poll I could found Estelle was in the top 30 she was in the 23 place of the popularity poll that and I hardly see any hate on them and I go on a lot of different sites.

edited 6th Aug '16 4:38:58 AM by snakeky-man

snakeky-man Since: Jun, 2016
#857: Aug 6th 2016 at 5:25:18 AM

now on to Anise I heardly see any hate on her anywere and isn't Mohs a villain I thought villains could not count as the scrappy

MyTimingIsOff Since: Dec, 2011
#858: Aug 6th 2016 at 7:03:07 AM

[up]Don't quadruple post, it clutters up the thread. If you have more to say and no one else had posted yet, just edit your original post. Having four consecutive posts breaks up the discussion and makes it hard to respond to you.

Anyway, villains CAN be scrappies, it just depends on the kind of hate they get. If they're hated for their heinous actions as a villain, they're a heel, not a scrappy. If they're hated for the reasons that a typical scrappy is hated, e.g. being obnoxious, badly written, given an undeserved amount of spotlight at the expense of better villains, etc. then they're a scrappy.

edited 6th Aug '16 8:21:56 AM by MyTimingIsOff

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#859: Aug 6th 2016 at 7:58:03 AM

I think the problem with that particular villain is that he's described as "a lot of players were quite unimpressed with him". That doesn't quite say "hatedom" to me. If anything, it sounds like the person writing the example played it down to not offend anyone, which really shouldn't be the case with this trope.

Likewise, "doesn't get a lot of love" for Marta is very weak, and doesn't hold up as written.

Colette sounds like a "used to be The Scrappy but isn't any more" case to me.

By the way, how many characters are involved in that character poll? 50? 100? More, less?

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snakeky-man Since: Jun, 2016
#860: Aug 6th 2016 at 10:38:13 AM

[up] it was a top 30 I saw a other popularity pull that was before the one I talked about and I think Anise was like in the 16th place the polls i found were before rose was made

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
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#861: Aug 9th 2016 at 1:05:52 PM

Colette did indeed used to be a Scrappy, now no one cares anymore because the game she came from is nearly 15 years old. Marta is a Scrappy for coming off as a whiny Stalker with a Crush for Ratatosk and Emil, so that entry probably should be rewritten. Again, there's not really a lot of discussion on it anymore because a lot of people want to forget about Dawn of the New World, including Bamco.

Anise is a scrappy though, her character and character arc still get brought up as the weakest bits of Tales Of The Abyss and are a huge part of the reason the third arc is seen as inferior in general than the first two. Essentially she's hated for getting an Ensemble Dark Horse killed off because she was engaging in hypocrisy and held the Idiot Ball for the entirety of the game up to that point. I think she's hated worse in the West than in Japan though, so maybe she belongs on Americans Hate Tingle.

edited 10th Aug '16 8:29:55 AM by PhiSat

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snakeky-man Since: Jun, 2016
#862: Aug 9th 2016 at 4:10:10 PM

with Marta i see mare people saying the game she is from is under rated more then people saying they hate her.

as for Anise so far over here in the west this year I see more hate on Luke and Mohs then her. P.s I have not seen tales of the abyss stuff for over a mouth

edited 9th Aug '16 4:25:52 PM by snakeky-man

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#864: Aug 10th 2016 at 8:29:08 AM

Remember, just because some people are fans of a character does not disqualify them from being Scrappies. There are 8 billion people in the world, someone is bound to care about them.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#865: Aug 10th 2016 at 1:24:07 PM

Remember, just because some people hate a character does not qualify them for being Scrappies. There are 8 billion people in the world, someone is bound to hate them.

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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
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#866: Aug 10th 2016 at 1:25:22 PM

True, but as someone who's in the Tales fandom I think snakeky-man is just trying to defend characters they like who happen to be scrappies.

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snakeky-man Since: Jun, 2016
#867: Aug 11th 2016 at 2:05:30 PM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#868: Aug 11th 2016 at 2:11:10 PM

I didn't write those entries. Whether or not I like the characters is irrelevant, what's relevant is that they're Scrappies. I happen to really like one of the characters who is on the list, but my opinion is the minority.

edited 11th Aug '16 2:11:40 PM by PhiSat

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snakeky-man Since: Jun, 2016
#869: Aug 11th 2016 at 2:21:04 PM

And characters can become more popular as time goes on,and I Don't like mohs and Colette is one of my lest favorite main character and I find Sodia to be better I also find she gets to much hate.

snakeky-man Since: Jun, 2016
#870: Aug 11th 2016 at 2:22:57 PM

[up][up] just saw your post after i was done posting

snakeky-man Since: Jun, 2016
#871: Aug 11th 2016 at 2:29:00 PM

I think haveing over more then 26,100 fan art that you can find one site alone means more then a few people like side characters

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#873: Aug 11th 2016 at 8:44:22 PM

I know nothing about these games, but you are sounding awfully defensive in your posts' tone. I'm tempted to agree with Phi Sat.

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#875: Aug 11th 2016 at 9:34:37 PM

snakeky-man:

Please tone it down. Thank you.


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