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MetroidPeter Med School Alumni from Somewhere Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
Med School Alumni
#6452: Sep 23rd 2024 at 4:13:28 AM

There are a few recent edits in Isle of Dogs that seem pretty inflammatory about Tracy Walker.

  • Memetic Mutation: The only movie Greta Gerwig made worse.Explanation
  • The Scrappy: Tracy. She is a completely straight example of a Mighty Whitey who was shoehorned into the film solely to prevent the whole cast from being Asian as well as the only human character that is not exaggerated unlike how the Japanese characters and culture are both portrayed as barbaric. While others see her as a useful character who simply plays a part in saving the day with her race not being relevant, she is still seen as a Flat Character compared to the other female characters Anderson has created in the past, such as Margot, Felicity and Suzy. She could have easily been removed from the movie and be replaced with subtitles.

Also, they added the bolded part to this one.

  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: Tracy Walker, as the protagonist of the film's B plot, serves as an Intrepid Reporter working with the school newspaper to expose the crimes of the Kobayashi administration, and even participates in protests against their actions. The reason? Apparently she is the Mighty Whitey and just wants to prove that her conspiracy theory about Mayor Kobayashi is true. This is despite the fact that her own dog, Nutmeg, is also trapped on Trash Island, and it would have been so much more sensible for that to be her main drive. And given how she discusses Atari Kobayashi risking his life to save his own dog, there was potential for her to feel guilty, wondering if she's doing enough to save Nutmeg.

The person who made them really zoned in on seeing Tracy Walker as a Mighty Whitey, seeming to say she's hated by everyone who watches the movie. However I think she's more of a Base-Breaking Character. Thoughts on these edits? Leave them or cut?

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Bozzy Since: Feb, 2023
#6453: Sep 23rd 2024 at 4:20:20 AM

At the very least, saying she's not exaggerated like the other characters is just factually wrong. She's loud and abrasive, has no idea about Japanese culture, blows gum bubbles, and has a huge afro

MisterApes-a-lot Since: Mar, 2018
#6454: Sep 23rd 2024 at 12:44:33 PM

That Memetic Mutation entry reads more as a critical sentiment than a meme.

Ayumi-chan 3rd happiest man in Connecticut from Iacon City (Experienced Trainee) Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
3rd happiest man in Connecticut
#6455: Sep 23rd 2024 at 7:07:37 PM

Bumping again

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Mariofan99 Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#6456: Sep 24th 2024 at 5:35:48 PM

[up] I don’t know the series so you’d need to explain why it’s wrong to me

Ayumi-chan 3rd happiest man in Connecticut from Iacon City (Experienced Trainee) Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
3rd happiest man in Connecticut
#6457: Sep 24th 2024 at 6:01:43 PM

[up] Read this.

And to further clarify, I'm not sure if fanart is an ok measure for a character to be liked and never seen any arguments (I never thought of him that much) so I'm very unsure if this entry is just biased.

Edited by Ayumi-chan on Sep 24th 2024 at 9:04:14 PM

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Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
#6458: Sep 28th 2024 at 4:47:48 PM

For My Little Pony (Generation 5), now that it's being Cut Short, I'm proposing moving Sparky from BBC to Scrappy as older fans widely deemed him the weakest part and the younger fans he/the work was targeting evidentially didn't care enough to offset that. G5 cleanup argues we need proof said target/younger fans hate him. I'm asking about that here considering:

  • Said target audiences are so young/different they don't interact with the fandom such there's no way to judge what they think of him. (The absent of widespread merch about him suggests at least apathy.)
  • G5, particularly Tell Your Tale which specifically targeted those younger audiences, being cut shorts seems the closest things to proof they didn't care. (Needs confirmation on the reasons it was cut short?)
  • Jar-Jar was created to appeal to younger fans, but that doesn't disqualify him from Scrappy given the sheer hate he got from the rest. (Any reasons that doesn't apply to Sparky?)

Also, from YMMV.Lightyear:

  • The Scrappy: The way that Zurg was presented in the movie is deemed a very unfaithful representation to the source material due to the twist surrounding him. His plan is criticized for making zero sense. He wants to contact Buzz so he can get the Hyperspace fuel, but he sends his mute robot soldiers to get him instead of doing it himself. He also tries to shoot down Buzz's ship, which would have destroyed both Buzz and the fuel. His portrayal was one of the main reasons why the film was left with a mixed reception. Even then, those who didn't absolutely hate the film admitted him to be one of the weakest parts of it.

We cut a prior version as ZCE and better fitting They Changed It, Now It Sucks! given the hated version issue. Thoughts about this revised version which addresses several of the issues? Still misuse as hated version and/or more hate from those who didn't care about the movie?

Moroaica Since: Aug, 2017
#6459: Sep 28th 2024 at 4:50:12 PM

What's the evidence Sparky is hated? He seems like a pretty normal baby character that Hitch takes care of.

Also he can't be compared to Jar Jar since Star Wars isn't geared toward young children, and I'm pretty sure a lot of little kids hates him too.

This video has over 1,100 likes and (according to return youtube dislikes) only 43 dislikes, I doubt would be case if he was the Scrappy. The same with other videos with Sparky, overwhelming likes and barely any dislikes.

Edited by Moroaica on Sep 28th 2024 at 5:03:36 AM

Mariofan99 Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#6460: Sep 28th 2024 at 5:50:33 PM

[up][up][up] cut I guess

[up] While not wrong woe say would somebody who hates sparky go out of their way to look up and watch a video about him?

Bozzy Since: Feb, 2023
#6461: Sep 29th 2024 at 1:33:53 AM

  • The Scrappy: Mal isn’t particularly popular due to being a Jerkass buzzkill for most of the show. In the original version, he gets to have a big number where he reforms himself and pledges his love to his wife, but the whole thing is undercut by his redemption happening due to a blatant Ass Pull. The current version removed it, but that ends up robbing the character of his only major solo, with his replacement song being an underwhelming reprise.

From The Addams Family musical

Yeah, he's a cut. He gets laughs from how stoogy he is in the first act, and his "underwhelming reprise" which isn't even a reprise, consistently gets cheers and d'awwws from audiences

Edited by Bozzy on Sep 29th 2024 at 1:38:04 AM

Echidna from Ontario, Canada (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Two-timing
#6462: Sep 29th 2024 at 5:06:01 AM

Cut him. He does not sound like a scrappy to me

LoadsAndLoadsOfFreeTime Raz (Season 2) Relationship Status: I love you for psychological reasons
Icy-Soldier Dur à Cuire from Altea Since: Feb, 2021 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Dur à Cuire
#6464: Sep 30th 2024 at 4:22:08 PM

YMMV/GutsNBlackpowder:

  • The Scrappy: The Chaplain is generally considered the least fun class in the game. While by no means bad or useless, the class is commonly criticized for being boring to play. His ability, the crucifix, while satisfying to activate, is also his only useful factor. The Chaplain's extremely weak melee weapon only serves as a tool to save teammates, and infection is very rarely an issue during gameplay outside of hardcore mode. Overall, this creates a class which encourages sitting in the back, waiting for the 50 second cooldown to activate the crucifix.

I'm pretty sure this is misuse because the Chaplain is a playable class, not a character hated for narrative reasons. However, should I try to rewrite it so that it fits a different trope or just cut it altogether?

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#6465: Sep 30th 2024 at 4:43:50 PM

Cut it for now. If OP wants to make it fit an actual gameplay trope, they can do so later.

Idisagree Since: Jun, 2011
#6466: Sep 30th 2024 at 5:24:43 PM

[up] If the Chaplain is hated for gameplay reasons and is a weak playable class, then they'd be a better fit under Low-Tier Letdown. The Scrappy is for characters who are unintentionally despised by fans and it's mainly for narrative reasons (though character design and annoyance can be factors).

LoadsAndLoadsOfFreeTime Raz (Season 2) Relationship Status: I love you for psychological reasons
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#6468: Oct 2nd 2024 at 8:08:57 AM

I removed this from YMMV.Inside Out 2:

  • The Scrappy: You will seldom find anyone in the fandom who is fond of Dani, one of Val's friends and a Fire Hawks member, who comes off as a bit jerkish to Riley, starting with her gossiping about Riley behind her back after the latter causes the coach to take away the team's phones and make them do laps. While she may be justified to dislike the girl for making their first morning there a bit difficult, it's hard to really side with Dani when she continues to make Riley feel like an outsider, especially when she subtly shames the latter for liking the pre-teen band "Get Up and Glow" and contributes to the peer-pressure that Riley faces by mentioning the Coach's notebook, which quickly gets to her head to the point that even Val notions against. The fact that she is a senior girl who is doing this to Riley, a thirteen year old freshman, doesn't help matters.

I looked all over Tumblr, Twitter, and Reddit and I couldn't find anyone really hating her. Honestly I couldn't find anyone talking about her at all. I don't think anyone has strong feelings about Dani at all. That said, I realized that I should have taken it here first for more opinions. Should I add it back or keep it cut?

Edited by Bullman on Oct 2nd 2024 at 10:09:47 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
king15 Have Faun Since: Mar, 2024
Have Faun
#6469: Oct 2nd 2024 at 8:57:55 AM

Plus, aren't you supposed to dislike Val's friends, at least a bit? Of course, a Hate Sink (not saying she is one, just using an extreme example) can still be The Scrappy if they are too hateable, but Dani is such a minor character (I doubt many would be able to say which one she was) who is meant to be at least a bit disliked as she demeans Riley, that I don't think she counts.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
MisterApes-a-lot Since: Mar, 2018
#6471: Oct 2nd 2024 at 10:13:36 AM

Also, it hasn't been six months since the character was introduced, so she is currently not allowed to be listed either way.

Eclipse-Elite from North Carolina Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: In love with love
#6472: Oct 7th 2024 at 5:01:34 AM

If I may, I'm hoping to run a clean-up on the Scrappy page for Franchise/Gundam. Some of these examples listed are either Base-Breaking Characters (like Beltorchika) or Scrappies that were hit with Alas, Poor Scrappy (like Chan Agi). Moreso, some characters that do count as Scrappies have not been added or clarified on (like Romary Stone from AGE).

LoadsAndLoadsOfFreeTime Raz (Season 2) Relationship Status: I love you for psychological reasons
#6473: Oct 9th 2024 at 2:58:05 PM

Cut the Inside Out example. Reads like stealth-complaining about the character to me

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Klavice (Elder Troper)
#6474: Oct 12th 2024 at 3:55:29 PM

I’d say Sparky and by extension G5!Spike count as Replacement Scrappy for Spike in general, but in terms of like actually being hated by younger fans? Pretty sure Snips and Snails are liked by younger fans, and they still count. Unless we need to cut them too. Periphery Demographic is a tricky beast despite G5 appealing mostly to younger fans, there’s still the occasional defender of it that pops up ESPECIALLY on the boorus and Subreddits. My idea is, is there a trope equivalent to a KAC that’s liked by the target demographic and hated by everyone else, or liked by a younger audience hated by the demographic? I honestly feel like Sparky would fit that. Closest thing I can find is Unpopular Popular Character or Base-Breaking Character (the latter of which could probably apply to EVERY G5 character).

Bozzy Since: Feb, 2023
#6475: Oct 12th 2024 at 3:57:09 PM

"Pretty sure Snips and Snails are liked by younger fans, and they still count"

Doesn't being liked by the intended audience of the show automatically disqualify them?


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