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WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#4526: Jun 17th 2021 at 1:24:24 PM

From YMMV.Ultraman Mebius.

After finishing the series, the guy was clearly set up as a Hate Sink so he can't be hated for what the creators design him for.

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#4527: Jun 17th 2021 at 4:50:55 PM

This on YMMV.Plants Vs Zombies 2 Its About Time

  • The Scrappy: Few plants are anywhere near as globally despised as Blooming Heart. She's priced at 7 dollars, which is awful for a single-target plant like her. Secondly, her ability isn't very useful, damaging zombies more and more as she hits them, but most zombies will be killed just as quickly by something like Cold Snapdragon. What really sealed the deal on her, though, is she used to have a Game-Breaking Bug, where using plant food on her would make every zombie Nigh Invulnerable. While the last one was fixed, it did little to help her status. This seems to have settled when she was made a seed-obtained (read: free) plant, but even then she's still not very good.

The "few plants are anywhere near as globally despised" part feels exaggerated, but what should I do with the whole example?

WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#4528: Jun 17th 2021 at 4:58:37 PM

This sounds like Tier Induced Scrappy in the sense that the reason for Scrappydom is that she's not mechanically good as a character.

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PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
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#4529: Jun 18th 2021 at 6:19:25 AM

YMMV.Metroid Prime Federation Force

  • Scrappy Mechanic: The Blast Ball game mode. It's essentially soccer in space, requires 6 players to play, and can be played on a friend's 3DS through Download Play... but due to the game's poor reception, and even worse sales, there's little opportunity to actually play it. It doesn't help that the main game practically forces it down your throat in the tutorial and boss fight against Samus and, unlike the main game, you can only have 3 people to a team instead of 4.

Soooo... It's a bad mode because few people got to play it? This just seems like complaining to me.

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#4530: Jun 18th 2021 at 6:48:50 AM

Eh, it has a point tho. The game requires you to play with multiple people - but very few people own the game, making the mini-game a shore to play with.

I say it can count, but it requires a rewrite.

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PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
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#4531: Jun 18th 2021 at 7:06:02 AM

That dosen't make any sense. There's nothing technically wrong with it. Saying that people didn't play it is a poor excuse to make it a Scrappy Mechanic entry.

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VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#4532: Jun 18th 2021 at 8:10:16 AM

From Berserk:

The Scrappy:

Wyald seems to be this for some (see Fanon Discontinuity) for having little to no characterization besides being a monstrous rapist and mass murderer, and having second to none actual role or purpose in the overall storyline besides trying to stop Griffith and his crew from escaping, and not even doing a very good job at it. Although this is also the intended reaction, scenes involving Wyald are often complained excessively violent, even considering the overall tone of the series, which is perhaps why he was cut from all the animated adaptations.

Okay, i don't know how much hated the character needs to be full on Scrappy, but i've seens couple of videos on Youtube titled "Why Wyald Matters", also some conversations online and certain reddit posts full of comments, like these ones show that Wyald isn't universally hated and has some defenders, not a small number of them in fact. SO, does he still fits The Scrappy?

Edited by VeryVileVillian on Jun 18th 2021 at 6:10:32 PM

Delibirda from Splatsville Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
#4533: Jun 18th 2021 at 8:12:03 AM

Check the criteria on the main Scrappy page

"Listen up, Marina, because this is SUPER important. Whatever you do, don't eat th“ “DON'T EAT WHAT?! Your text box ran out of space!”
WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#4534: Jun 18th 2021 at 8:26:55 AM

I can see how a multiplayer mode that just plain cannot be played because there are not enough players would fall under Bonus Feature Failure or something similar, at least.

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#4535: Jun 18th 2021 at 8:36:44 AM

[up]Could it fit Underused Game Mechanic?

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ITTrpr20 Since: Jan, 2018
#4536: Jun 18th 2021 at 8:19:35 PM

Some some asshole put this in the Live Action Films page under the MCU entries:

  • Don't forget Captain Marvel. In [1], during the final battle every hero has a kickass entrance, and in many screening, they were welcomed with a burst of applause from the public. And what happened with Carol Danvers? She was booed!!! In the credits scene, even Thanos got an heartwarming applause from the public. Caron got even more booes! Yes, she was more hated than the guy who killed half the universe!

There is just so much wrong with this statement without even getting into the grammar and this reeks of blind hatred. Easy cut?

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#4537: Jun 18th 2021 at 8:40:08 PM

I would prefer to leave it to amuse myself, but that would be unethical. Cut it, yes.

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MinisterOfSinister From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye! from In the Hall of the Mountain King Since: Jan, 2014 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
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#4538: Jun 19th 2021 at 1:33:12 AM

Yeah cut that. Archive it for personal Tropers page but otherwise cut.

PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
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#4539: Jun 19th 2021 at 6:43:44 PM

Can I bring up these examples from Alas, Poor Scrappy?

  • The fan reaction to Mako's almost-death scene during the finale of The Legend of Korra. Subverted in that he'd gone through a lot of Character Development by then, and had grown out of his tendencies that had made him The Scrappy in the first place.

  • Buck Cluck from Chicken Little isn’t really a good father and doesn’t treat his son fairly at the times, this lead him to being one of the most hated Disney characters. But when his actor Garry Marshall died in 2016, many felt sad about the news as they drew tributes to his actor such as Chicken Little crying about his death.

The first one is playing with a YMMV item, and the second is a meta example.

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ejmenendez Since: May, 2015
#4540: Jun 19th 2021 at 8:10:48 PM

[up] Cut both. The first one states that by then Mako wasn't hated as much and the "death" doesn't stick. The second one is about Buck's voice actor and not the character.

ITTrpr20 Since: Jan, 2018
#4541: Jun 20th 2021 at 9:34:54 PM

Also this one was added under the Anime folder, specifically under Code Geass

  • Suzaku for some. For constantly being a Hypocrite and lack of recognizing himself as one.

I'm pretty sure he's already a Base-Breaking Character since there's the "for some", easy cut?

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#4543: Jun 25th 2021 at 5:14:23 PM

these are on YMMV.The Binding Of Isaac:

  • The Scrappy:
    • The Bloat. Given his powerful and hard to dodge attacks -notably his untelegraphed Brimstone beams- as well as his infamous reputation of having ended so many runs (especially when there are two of him in the same room or when he's a green champion), nobody should be surprised to why. He is so hated, he has even reached Memetic Badass status due to the exclusive Subreddit dedicated to him! His infamy hasn't gone unnoticed by the devs, seeing as the Bloat has received his own challenge in Afterbirth+ as well as three versions of the same card in the Four Souls card game. Nevertheless, he's always remained a hated boss by one too many. Repeat after the fans: FUCK BLOAT.
    • Greed and Super Greed. Given how they can replace shops and secret rooms (especially the former), can knock out your money when they hit you, and can both be fought in one run, players usually don't enjoy finding them. They can easily replace a shop you were relying on getting near the end of the run and drop a money-boosting item you have no more need for. Ironically, the frustration they caused became such an iconic part of The Binding of Isaac that they turned into recognizable Ensemble Dark Horses, letting them get more screentime than any other Sin especially as of Afterbirth+ (which added Ultra Greed and technically made Greed playable thanks to Keeper); all that said, most players still groan upon seeing them in the game itself.
    • The Matriarch, a boss added in the final Booster Pack of Afterbirth+. All of the new bosses in the expansion received tepid reception because of rough spritework and/or unbalanced fights, but the Matriarch embodies those issues the best due to her uninspired design (Chub encased in a Fistula) and unfair attacks, which border on Bullet Hell and can corner the player for unavoidable damage. She was also introduced too late to receive the same kinds of nerfs as Big Horn or Sisters Vis, so by the time she got properly balanced in Repentance, it was too late for her to be redeemed in even a Love to Hate fashion like the Bloat.
    • For people that hate playing as Jacob and Esau, Esau will inevitably be viewed as this. He's seen as a living version of Isaac's Heart, an external hitbox that not only makes dodging attacks more difficult (because you still have your own hitbox on top of that), but also a second character you have to invest items in to increase survivability, potentially splitting up items that would otherwise form useful synergies. Tainted Jacob takes it even further where Esau turns from a liability to active threat, where he actively tries to kill Jacob, leaving Jacob a character with a high difficulty curve with no benefits.

None of these are hated for narrative reasons. Bloat is already listed as That One Boss and Jacob and Esau are already listed as a Tier Induced Scrappy.

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#4545: Jun 27th 2021 at 4:35:22 AM

I wanted to add Maya Brooks / Rasa to the Mass Effect page. From what I saw, people were fairly indifferent towards her in Citadel DLC in ME 3, but got pretty annoyed by her getting a whole mini-series of comic books, with her being inserted to have met pretty much all high-profile canonical characters, while still continuing to be either uninteresting or outright annoying. Would go either under the ME 3 entry or a new one for extended universe material.

Edited by Forenperser on Jun 27th 2021 at 1:35:28 PM

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Silverblade2 Since: Jan, 2013
#4546: Jun 28th 2021 at 2:08:17 PM

YMMV.The Mist

  • The Scrappy: To the surprise and detriment of the audience, none of the main characters are even remotely likable, leading to just about all of them being absolutely loathed by the fanbase. The only exception is Jay, who is seen as the only remotely decent person in the entire series, which certainly made him stand out more than his rather sociopathic assoicates.

M Ay I cut since it boils down to "everyone is a scrappy"

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#4547: Jun 28th 2021 at 2:22:56 PM

Yeah that's Eight Deadly Words right there. Maybe Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy if the setting is too dark.

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#4549: Jun 28th 2021 at 3:03:29 PM

[up][up][up] I also noticed the page where that example came from had quite a bit of complaining on it.

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MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#4550: Jun 28th 2021 at 3:05:58 PM

Cut all the Isaac ones. They're all already listed on the correct subpages, so there's no need to salvage anything.


Bringing up these ones from Hearthstone

  • The Scrappy:
    • Alleria Windrunner, the original alternate Hunter hero, was met with scorn when she was launched. Many people have cited that although her voice actress was probably going for a nonchalant attitude, instead Alleria sounds downright bored most of the time, with very few of her lines having much, if any, emotion behind them. The fact that her only potentially meaningful interaction with her sister Sylvanas was cut and players have to pay don't help her case either.
    • Pen Flinger, a solid but overall balanced card, consistently tops players' "most hated cards" lists. It's a 1 mana 1/1 that deals 1 damage to any target, with the Spellburst effect of returning to the hand. What makes it so hated is the card's flavour. It flings a pen, saying "Hey, loser!". When it returns to hand, it says "Wasn't me!". You will hear this sequence of quotes over and over again as it chips down your board and/or face tick by tick. It always bounces to the hand, so a smart opponent will never ever let you destroy it. There are decks that can fuel it throughout the whole game, so you just have to sit there and get called a loser a hundred times over.

Is there a better category for these? They're not hated for narrative reasons, but they're also not hated for gameplay reasons either.

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