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Back when I initially added Zavok and Zeena, I aimed to keep things neutral as possible and wrote a few lines about the most common criticisms of the characters. It was only recently that SenorCornholio and GF93 ballooned things into wordy vents.
On top of that, Zeena's personality is generally seen as problematic because she's seen as a potentially offensive stereotype by her detractors.
Edited by BSonirachi on Feb 7th 2021 at 11:23:39 AM
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Can't The Scrappy count if the real person is playing a role in a program? The humans involved in Puppy Bowl tend to have a kayfabe thing going on since they act like the puppies are real athletes and such.
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And I will say that's nonsense. She is just a straight up Alpha Bitch, and it would only be problematic if she was the only female character in the series. If anything, I have seen she has some fans, the same with Zavok. It's only problematic if you're looking for things to be problematic.
I do know Zavok has his detractors, but over a silly dispute. Zavok is used a lot in spin-off material, no different from Silver back in the day, and his inclusion in Forces as a boss fight over Chaos and Shadow have nothing to do with him, as Metal Sonic is likewise a very frequent boss fight these days. He supposedly replaced Infinite as the third character in TFS, except he didn't; Infinite is treated just the same as Mephiles back in the day as a one-time character, too serious to be used again.
Of the Deadly Six I did see people genuinely dislike and have no defenders is Zomon, the fat one.
The entire page needs a rewrite to tone down the bashing. Does Chris even counts? I know people hate him, but he's also an example of of people warming up to him thanks to the third season.
To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.I found this example under Video Games:
- Shoutaro of Flower, Sun and Rain is intended to evoke this reaction. He actually outright states he's trying for that, because he wouldn't want to be liked by anyone who would play a game like this.
If it's intended then it's not a proper example, and instead it's a Hate Sink, right?
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Even then, Zavok and his ilk should still have a place in The Scrappy in some form as, while they do have their fans, they are still known to be widely hated due to shallow character writing. Just they should have their examples written in a neutral tone.
Spin-off or not, any appearance or mentioning of them in official material is always going to draw ire from the audience.
And they shall be. I deleted the entry for now because I'm trying to think how to write it in a way that doesn't seem overly negative like the other entries. Right now I deleted most of the Omochao entry because two of the entries were nitpicking, and the third was "lampshading the trope", which you can't do in YMMV.
For that matter, I also deleted Eggman Nega. As a Hate Sink, he's meant to be disliked, and unlike the Deadly Six, Nega isn't pushed by the staff (in fact, he is ignored), and I haven't seen anyone hating the character, just finding him forgettable or confusing due to the mess that are Silver and Blaze stories. I removed the entry and rewrote it in They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character.
How does the scrappy apply to Black Doom is anyone's guess, tho. I did find him to be overly stereotypical evil, which describes most Sonic villains.
Edited by Tomodachi on Feb 7th 2021 at 9:57:25 AM
To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.So these just got added to YMMV.Yu Gi Oh VRAINS:
- The Scrappy:
- Go Onizuka slips into this in second season, thanks to the authors who desperately wanted to make him into a villain. Thankfully, by the third season they more-or-less rerailed him.
- Shima Naoki, the fat ugly Heroic Wannabe with a creepy crush on Playmaker.
- You will be hard-pressed into finding someone who sincerely likes Saito and Yamamoto. Their only role consists of hanging uselessly over the scene, trying to crack a joke and panicking over everything.
So Go wasn't already mentioned on the show's YMMV page, but he does already have an entry on the the franchise's page, so I guess that can stay? Though the end part seems to imply he was rescued... And I remember it was deemed a while ago that Shima was not The Scrappy and I still don't feel he is consistently hated enough to count and Saito and Yamamoto aren't generally people's favourites, but they're certainly not hated enough for this trope.
"Let’s see who’s stronger: someone that has something to protect, or someone that has nothing to lose."I rewrote the Deadly Six entry.
Here's the entry:
- The Deadly Six from Sonic Lost World are generally disliked as a group for being mostly-bland and forgettable villains with unfitting character designs and little explanation for their existence, only really being added as Sonic's answer to Bowser and his Koopalings. It's leader, Zavok, has been called a Creator's Pet due to his overexposure in games following his debut, incluiding having a boss fight in Sonic Forces while fan-favorites Chaos and Shadow did not, and Team Sonic Racing as the third member of Team Eggman despite how inconsistent this is with his previous appearance; some fans believe he usurped the role of better received characters in Team Sonic Racing, as a result.
Eliminated most of the bashing, word cruft and unnecesary natter. Here is the original for comparison’s sake.
- The Deadly Six from Sonic Lost World are generally disliked as a group for being mostly-bland and forgettable villains with unfitting character designs and little explanation for their existence, only really being added as Sonic's answer to Bowser and his Koopalings. Not helping matters is the fact that Sega and Sonic Team are seemingly determined to make them into the next big Sonic characters by shoehorning them into almost all new games, comics, merchandise and other media; despite their poor reception and whether they fit the setting or not. At the very least, they're overall better-received in the IDW comics due to being Adaptational Badasses; and Zazz, Zomom, Zik and Zor at least have some fans by themselves. However, the other two Zeti stand out as especially hated:
- Zavok, the leader of the Deadly Six, was already disliked for being a Bowser ripoff with a generic "evil guy" personality, but fuel was further added to the flames when he started making appearances as a playable character in Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games and its sequel alongside Zazz, as a boss fight in Sonic Forces (whereas more popular antagonists like Chaos didn't get one), and as the playable Power-type member of Team Eggman in Team Sonic Racing over more fitting choices like Infinite, Orbot & Cubot, or even Chaos Gamma, for example — keep in mind, Zavok despises Eggman for subduing the Deadly Six with the Cacophonic Conch, so them teaming up makes no sense whatsoever from a story standpoint — making him the most striking example of a Creator's Pet among the bunch. That said, he does have some positive factors here and there; really good boss music, some of the better boss fights in the games he's innote , and some spectacular Ham and Cheese-laden vocal performances from Travis Willingham and Patrick Seitznote that make his dialogue at least tolerable, if not barely upgrading him to Love to Hate status. However...
- The same cannot be said for Zeena, the group's sole female member, who is the least popular of the Deadly Six by a landslide. Her entire personality revolves around being a sexist, outdated Valley Girl stereotype; with no redeeming (or even mildly interesting) aspects to help her stand out otherwise. Comparing her to the likes of Amy, Rouge, Cream, Wave and especially Blaze makes it all the more apparent that she's a glaring step back in terms of female Sonic characters, which was only further compounded by Sticks' debut the following year. That, along with her narcissism — with a healthy dose of Informed Attractiveness derived from her bizarre character design on the side — cowardice, and sheer petty crueltynote are more-or-less the only things you can really use to describe her as a character. And unlike Zavok, her boss fights only add to her hatedom; being either unremarkable at bestExamples or outright infuriating at worst.Examples To cut a long story short; Zeena is one of those rare types who encompass pretty much all the necessary traits that make up an irredeemably dreadful character.
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TBH I find all those entries to be complaints on the characters.
- For Go, he had an entry for the scrappy before but was deleted with the reason "Hate Sink is an intended reaction so it doesn't count." Guess they missed that one.
- As for Shima, there's a Mod notice saying that he needs to be discussed first. IMO, I always thought of that guy as a Base-Breaking Character cause there are some who like him enough to be a Memetic Badass.
- For Yamamoto and Saito, you're right about them being ignored by the fanbase so they don't count as scrappy.
Edited by cute_heart on Feb 9th 2021 at 7:51:51 PM
Read the letter Cricket!
Admittedly, I don't think Naoki is quite a Base-Breaking Character, more of just regular divisive since I don't really see arguments breaking out on him all the time (compared to say, what Soulburner gets). Though I forgot about the commented-out note, oops, though it seems someone already removed the entry. But I think you're right on the rest, so I'll remove them. Thank you for your input!
I rewrote a lot of Sonic's Scrappy page sans the Deadly Six part, as shown above. Generally I aimed to shorten the examples and cut some complaining. Let me know if I missed something.
I'm also skeptical about Chris' placement on this page; has the fanbase warmed up to him or is he still hated? Perhaps he should be moved to Base-Breaking Character, but I included him here anyway before making that call.
Before edits:
- Omochao gets a lot of heat for the same reasons Navi does, starting from his debut in Sonic Adventure 2. Small, needlessly and annoyingly helpful, has a grating voice and near unavoidable at times, especially when you start losing against a boss multiple times. It doesn't help that the quality of Omochao's advice ranges from "possibly helpful the first time you hear it" to "don't let your HP hit zero." Also not helping is that he's standing in for the much more popular and plot-relevant Tikal the Echidna, who served the same role in the previous Sonic Adventure. Thankfully, he's actually rather subdued in his first outing; he doesn't take control away from the player when touched, letting the characters move around freely while he's giving advice, and the developers must have foreshadowed the fandom's reaction since it's possible to pick him up and use him as a weapon against enemies, complete with him temporarily breaking. Things only really started getting bad when his overall prominence escalated in future games, and he can now appear on loading screens before the start of levels in Adventure 2's HD re-releases. Omochao's reputation got worse when he got to appear in story-modes of Free Riders and Team Sonic Racing, and ending up replacing Cream the Rabbit in Team Rose's lineup; the game doesn't acknowledge Cream not being there or even mention her at all.
- Black Doom from Shadow the Hedgehog is (despite his importance to the titular hedgehog's backstory) yet another forgettable, one-note villain you'd be hard-pressed to find legitimate fans of. When you pit the guy up against other one-shot villains like Chaos, Mephiles or Dark Gaia, he sticks out like a sore thumb due to how lame he is. Predominantly, he can be summed up as just boring. Pretty much no character traits beyond 'edgy and evil', a ridiculous '3edgy5me' aesthetic that clashes horribly with the rest of the series' character designs, having a built-in Annoying Video Game Helper (that, unlike the aforementioned Omochao, you're pretty much stuck with if you're doing the Dark Missions) in the form of his Doom's Eye, most of his attempts at being threatening instead coming off as weapons-grade narm — due to his near-incomprehensible speaking tone, silly-sounding laugh, and clichéd dialogue ripped straight out of a pantomime villain's handbook — and existing solely to provide a handy reason as to why Shadow exists and looks like he does.
- Sonic the Hedgehog (2006):
- Princess Elise the Third really had the chips stacked against her right off the bat. She suffers from being kidnapped almost every cutscene and making no effort to protect herself — making almost all of Sonic's in-game story him constantly running after her like an idiot with no connection to the game's main plot otherwise and subsequently losing her again every time — having a blandly-nice personality that's about as interesting as plain white bread, and her Neutral Female tendencies coming into play a lot when she could at least try doing something to help. Needless to say, it all swiftly sent her into Die for Our Ship territory with the fanbase. Even people who wouldn't otherwise dislike Elise for shipping reasons often end up disliking her from the sheer levels of Squick in Sonic having a human love interest; which doesn't even cover her kissing his corpse to resurrect him from death in the finale. She got the axe from the franchise right away, and — outside of being referenced and poked fun at occasionally from the Sonic the Hedgehog Twitter page and certain games — has barely been mentioned since.
- The Duke of Soleanna, Elise's father, is even less liked. For all Elise's flaws, especially her questionable relationship with Sonic and complete passiveness; she does at least have some redeeming characteristicsnote and thus a few fans and acknowledgments here and there. The Duke doesn't even have those going for him; being a thoughtless man who caused the events of the game by tampering with a force — namely Solaris — well beyond his control and got his own scientists needlessly killed in the process, but then sealed the Mad God inside his own childnote and foisted a near-impossible task on hernote in his final moments so that he could basically have her clean up his own mess, whether she liked it or not. Not helping matters is that he's also the voice of the Hint Rings; thus being yet another source of perpetual unwanted in-game assistance in the franchise.
- The Deadly Six from Sonic Lost World are generally disliked as a group for being mostly-bland and forgettable villains with unfitting character designs and little explanation for their existence, only really being added as Sonic's answer to Bowser and his Koopalings. Its leader, Zavok, has been called a Creator's Pet due to his overexposure in games following his debut; including having a boss fight in Sonic Forces and being the third member of Team Eggman in Team Sonic Racing despite how inconsistent this is with his previous motivations, particularly how he's canonically established to loathe Eggman. Some fans believe he usurped the role of better-received characters who would have fit the team more naturally — such as Orbot & Cubot — in Team Sonic Racing, as a result.
- Sonic the Hedgehog (SatAM): Dulcy, the Freedom Fighters' Sixth Ranger, was considered to be a pointless addition to the cast by many fans, especially since she appeared out of nowhere in the second season and the writers wanted the viewers to pretend that she was there since the beginning of the show.note Many also found her klutzy behavior to be more annoying than funny. While she at least had points in her favor such as Cree Summer at least making her pleasant to listen to, the idea of dragons in the Sonic universe, her breath powers and the sheer potential a character like her would bring, Dulcy's biggest problem wasn't so much to do with her inclusion, but rather that she was criminally underutilized throughout the one season she appeared in; mainly serving as living aerial transportation with the occasional victory under her belt. Dulcy was supposed to get more development in a potential third season, which means it's entirely possible for her to have been Rescued from the Scrappy Heap had said season gotten the greenlight. Regrettably however, we never got the chance to see it.
- Sonic X:
- Chris Thorndyke. From the second episode onward, most episodes had a specific focus character or were focused on the entire group, and Chris' prominent role in these episodes is often seen by plenty of viewers as him taking up too much spotlight compared to other characters. Even Sonic himself had less screentime, namely as a result of being Out of Focus in favor of everyone else, Canon Foreigner or no. When a character is saving the day, expect Chris to come along and help out in ways the other characters could have done or, in the worst case scenario, get himself kidnapped. Personality-wise, he's generally a Spoiled Sweet Lonely Rich Kid, which isn't a terrible personality by itself, but the show doesn't develops him all that much beyond this. The little development he did get was a really, really bad dependency on Sonic, which got so bad by the end of season 2 that he wound up potentially preventing Sonic's departure and possibly stranding him on Earth forever. It really didn't help matters when Chris took over Amy's role of Shadow's conscience in the Sonic Adventure 2 adaptation at the expense of not allowing Amy to show her Hidden Depths. Compounding the issue further was that Chris was supposed to be the Audience Surrogate for Sonic X, but his wealthy background kept him from actually resonating with most fans; in spite of his Parental Neglect issues, Chris came across as more whiny than sympathetic during his emotional breakdown moments as a result of his Sonic fixation, despite the two of them hardly having any meaningful interactions. Despite all of the above, the initial send-off episode was surprisingly well-put together, and he was thankfully Rescued from the Scrappy Heap in season 3 where he was made more mature and useful as a result of a six-year timeskip]], but he didn't exactly became popular enough to earn the viewers sympathy.
- Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Comics):
- Dulcy's Scrappy status carries over from the SatAM series, but this time it's mainly for the reason that she was even less utilized than she was in SatAM. They did make an honest attempt to redeem her after the Continuity Reboot by giving her Adaptational Intelligence, making her the leader of a separate group of Freedom Fighters and giving her a slimmer, more Sonic-esque body (while also changing her from a European dragon to a Chinese dragon), though she's still not very often talked about and continued to suffer from immense underutilization. The poor girl just can't catch a break.
- Drago Wolf, the Wolf Pack Freedom Fighter traitor. Not even writer Ian Flynn likes Drago; Flynn has gleefully stated he only brings the guy out whenever he wants him thrashed by the good guys. Drago is a despicable, misogynistic coward whose only claim to fame was tricking his former girlfriend Hershey into playing the patsy to a murder/frame-up of Sally in a totally illogical and scientifically impossible way. Later joining an anti-Freedom Fighter team that he's contributed nothing to also hasn't helped Drago's status. While the audience isn't supposed to like him, it goes beyond Love to Hate or Hate Sink, since it's not that they want to see him trashed, they just don't want to see him at all.
- There's also Tommy Turtle. He was originally a one-shot character that revealed that he had given Sonic a life lesson when he was younger and had performed a Heroic Sacrifice to save Sonic from an ambush. However, he ended up returning after a Time Skip, healthy, whole... and attempting to replace Tails and Rotor. When Ian Flynn took over, he compiled a list of characters in the series and arranged them in popularity, finding out that Tommy was still at the bottom (yes, even lower than Drago). He's promptly killed off during Ian's collection of Author's Saving Throw.
- Amadeus and Rosemary, Tails' parents, are rather unpopular due to them leading a civil war against the Acorns. Rosemary is particularly disliked due to her more prominent role in said civil war and continuing to vote against the Freedom Fighters due to her overwhelming distrust of the monarchy, whereas Amadeus managed to settle things peacefully. While the Jerkass Has a Point due to Maximillian's Horrible Judge of Character leading to the Great War in the first place, it still didn't help Rosemary's popularity one bit.
- Shortfuse the Cybernik from Sonic the Comic. Overpowered, with little personality besides an allegedly short temper which did nothing to make him stand out (everybody hated Robotnik), and a Holier Than Thou attitude. Most fans found him both annoying and tiresome, especially since he told his backstory every time he appeared, sometimes twice in one issue, which has become a Running Gag amongst fans.
After the edits:
- Omochao gets a lot of heat for the same reasons Navi does; players are annoyed by his grating voice and advice, which couldn't be disabled until Sonic Generations and was often redundant. He's not only a Replacement Scrappy of Tikal (who served the same role with less of Omochao's flaws), but also Cream in Team Sonic Racing for Team Rose's lineup, with no mention of her. While the series played off his unpopularity (to the point where he's ammo in Shadow the Hedgehog), it hasn't helped.
- Black Doom for his lack of character traits, corny lines and delivery, design that clashes with the series' aesthetic, and Annoying Video Game Helper role in all Dark routes. Shadow fans don't like his cluttered contribution to Sonic Adventure 2's plot, only explaining why Shadow looks the way he does.
- Sonic the Hedgehog (2006):
- Elise for her getting kidnapped often during the game's events, sidetracking Sonic's story as a result. She also has no clear traits beyond being nice, yet doesn't do much to help the protagonists. Finally, players found her Interspecies Romance with Sonic bizarre, culminating in her kissing his corpse to resurrect him in the finale, adding shipping controversy and Squick to the mix.
- The Duke of Soleanna caused the events of the game by tampering with a force well beyond his control and got his own scientists needlessly killed in the process. Then, he sealed it inside his own childnote and foisted a near-impossible task on hernote in his final moments so that he could basically have her clean up his mess. Not helping matters is that he's also the voice of the Hint Rings, a source of unwanted in-game assistance.
- The Deadly Six from Sonic Lost World are generally disliked as a group for being mostly-bland and forgettable villains with unfitting character designs and little explanation for their existence, only really being added as Sonic's answer to Bowser and his Koopalings. Its leader, Zavok, has been called a Creator's Pet due to his overexposure in games following his debut; including having a boss fight in Sonic Forces and being the third member of Team Eggman in Team Sonic Racing despite how inconsistent this is with his previous motivations, particularly how he's canonically established to loathe Eggman. Some fans believe he usurped the role of better-received characters who would have fit the team more naturally — good examples including Infinite or Orbot & Cubot — in Team Sonic Racing, as a result.
- Of all the group's members however, Zeena is the least popular by some distance; with fans frequently citing her bland and unlikeable personality as the biggest reason. Her entire character pretty much revolves around being a sexist and outdated Valley Girl stereotypenote , as well as her cowardice, petty cruelty, and insufferable levels of vanity — with a dose of Informed Attractiveness on the side from her bizarre character design — with no redeeming qualities to balance out her flaws. Not only is Zeena considered both a boring character and a terrible person, but her Lost World boss fights also frequently come up against her; generally considered by-the-numbers at best and insufferable at worst.
- Sonic the Hedgehog (SatAM): Dulcy was considered a pointless addition to the main cast, her sudden introduction not helping.note While she at least had points in her favor such as Cree Summer's pleasant delivery, Dulcy's biggest problem was her lack of use despite her potentialnote outside of transportation or repeated jokes about her clumsiness.
- Sonic X: Chris Thorndyke for taking the spotlight away from the canon cast, even getting more screentime than Sonic himself. His lack of character development across the first two seasons, lack of relatability despite being an Audience Surrogate, unnerving dependence on Sonic despite having few notable interactionsnote , and bare contributions to the plot (aside from getting kidnapped or taking other characters' roles) didn't endear him to the audience. While Chris was more useful and had more character development in the third season, it wasn't enough for many.
- Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Comics):
- Like in SatAM, Dulcy for her unpopular stories and lack of focus. They did make an honest attempt to redeem her after the Continuity Reboot by giving her Adaptational Intelligence, making her the leader of a separate group of Freedom Fighters and redesigning her to conform to the series' aesthetic, but it didn't help much.
- Drago Wolf. His abusive behavior hit too close to home and his plan to frame Sonic during Endgame made little sense and sidetracked the story. Even when he joined the Destructrix, he brought next to nothing for the group. Not even writer Ian Flynn liked Drago, gleefully stating that he only used the guy out whenever he wants him thrashed by the heroes. Readers thought this missed the point; while the audience wasn't supposed to like Drago, it went beyond Love to Hate or Hate Sink, since it's not that they want to see him trashed, but not at all.
- Tommy Turtle. He was originally a one-shot character that revealed that he had given Sonic a life lesson when he was younger and had performed a Heroic Sacrifice to save Sonic from an ambush. However, he ended up returning after a Time Skip, healthy, whole... and attempting to replace Tails and Rotor without being much of a character. When Ian Flynn took over, he compiled a list of characters in the series and arranged them in popularity, finding out that Tommy was still at the bottom (yes, even lower than Drago), promptly killing him off as a result.
- Amadeus and Rosemary, Tails' parents, for leading a civil war against the Acorns. Rosemary is particularly disliked due to her more prominent role in said civil war and continuing to vote against the Freedom Fighters due to her overwhelming distrust of the monarchy, whereas Amadeus managed to settle things peacefully. While the Jerkass Has a Point due to Maximillian's Horrible Judge of Character leading to the Great War in the first place, it still didn't help Rosemary's popularity.
- Shortfuse the Cybernik from Sonic the Comic. Overpowered, with little personality besides an allegedly short temper which did nothing to make him stand out (everybody hated Robotnik), and a Holier Than Thou attitude. Most fans found him both annoying and tiresome, especially since he told his backstory every time he appeared, sometimes twice in one issue, which has become a Running Gag amongst fans.
Edited by datfunkyjellyfish on Feb 9th 2021 at 12:49:38 PM
I applaud shortening the examples, and I like how you wrote them enough to be concise, although lacking a bit of the witty part. With that said, I'm still not sold on the idea of Zeena being there. What exactly makes her "hated"? Because from what I saw in the fandom, she is ignored and disliked with the whole group, not exactly individually. And even then, disliking her for having villainous traits seems like shoehorming a Hate Sink example.
Edited by Tomodachi on Feb 9th 2021 at 9:57:02 AM
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The mention of Zavok being a Creator's Pet can go. He dosen't fit all the criteria for that trope.
This is where things get kind of messy with the Creator's Pet label for Zavok. He's missing the Character Shilling that would allow him to meet the criteria, but it hasn't stopped the fandom from labelling him as one regardless.
Which is silly, as neither Sonic Team shill him. As I made clear in my edit of the main page, Zavok hasn't had an actual relevant role since his debut, only appearing in one main game (Forces), and then appearing in a bunch of spin offs (which applies to everyone. Hell, Silver comes from a worst game and he was included in every game afterwards)
Zavok doesn't even have an official Sonic Channel profile, while Marine and Infinite do.
Keep in mind I'm adding him because the sentiment is clear with the fanbase. I disagree with it, but I see it.
To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.Calling into question a certain edit
from YMMV.Girls Frontline. Note that this contains major spoilers.
- While RPK-16 was initially moderately liked, her popularity plummeted following the events of Mirror Stage. Betraying your squad because Paradeus might be able to hook you up with a human body in the future is a good way to get people to shun you.
I felt like as if this was added too soon. Anyone acquainted with the GFL fanbase to determine how valid this is?
Eh, good enough.
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
I know very little about that game, but:
- . It sounds like she's hated for villainous actions, which is very often a sign of misuse.
- . The Scrappy is on the No Recent Examples, Please!, so unless the event in question happened more than six months ago, that's grounds for deletion.
From YMMV.Punch Out:
- The Scrappy: Mad Clown is perhaps the least popular character from the series (not counting Mr. Dream), and is seen as a lazy re-skin of Bear Hugger - while there are many other Palette Swaps in the series, Mad Clown is easily the most blatant of them all. It doesn't help he looks as creepy as any clown would look and has an annoying voice, as well as being a hard opponent for some people.
Well, if it counts for anything, Kotaku placed him 7th on their list of best opponents in the series
. Is that motive to consider removal?
I have a question on this entry in Reborn! (2004)
- The Scrappy: 5-year-old Lambo. Most of the fans find his Bratty Half-Pint tendencies annoying rather than endearing.
I do know many fans do find him irritating (myself included), but I just checked the official popularity polls for the manga and he's usually in the top 10 or 20's. In the latest one, he's even above a fan-favorite character. Is this okay for removal?
Edited by cute_heart on Feb 12th 2021 at 5:02:17 PM
Read the letter Cricket!No, because I presume the poll is about his older self too.
I imagine Lambo as a whole is a Base-Breaking Character: people like his older self, but can't stand his young self.
Edited by Tomodachi on Feb 12th 2021 at 1:15:04 AM
To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.In this case, is it possible for him to be a Base-Breaking Character and a scrappy at the same time? Do we separate his older self from his younger self or consider them as one?
Edited by cute_heart on Feb 12th 2021 at 6:04:00 PM
Read the letter Cricket!

These are on YMMV.Puppy Bowl:
Latter two are ZCEs that violate Examples Are Not General, and all of them seem to be applying The Scrappy to real people. Permission to cut them all?