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jandn2014 SMILE! from somewhere in Connecticut Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#4226: Feb 7th 2021 at 3:09:02 PM

These are on YMMV.Puppy Bowl:

  • The Scrappy:
    • Sideline reporter Jill Rappaport, from NBC's Today show, introduced during Puppy Bowl VIII. Kept popping up to talk, thus interrupting the puppy play. While she was removed after that for a few years, Rappaport returned for Puppy Bowl XII to annoy viewers by once again interrupting the puppy play, this time to intro overlong clips about the puppies, and has returned in that capacity for each Puppy Bowl since then.
    • Several of the Crossover cast members (and, surprisingly, the ref himself) drew similar complaints during Puppy Bowl IX.
    • For those who just want to see the kittens play, the use of "guest performers" and themed bits during the Kitty Halftime Show quickly became this.

Latter two are ZCEs that violate Examples Are Not General, and all of them seem to be applying The Scrappy to real people. Permission to cut them all?

BSonirachi Since: Jun, 2011
#4227: Feb 7th 2021 at 3:14:15 PM

[up][up][up]Back when I initially added Zavok and Zeena, I aimed to keep things neutral as possible and wrote a few lines about the most common criticisms of the characters. It was only recently that SenorCornholio and GF93 ballooned things into wordy vents.

On top of that, Zeena's personality is generally seen as problematic because she's seen as a potentially offensive stereotype by her detractors.

Edited by BSonirachi on Feb 7th 2021 at 11:23:39 AM

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#4228: Feb 7th 2021 at 3:32:03 PM

[up][up] Can't The Scrappy count if the real person is playing a role in a program? The humans involved in Puppy Bowl tend to have a kayfabe thing going on since they act like the puppies are real athletes and such.

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#4229: Feb 7th 2021 at 4:30:37 PM

[up][up] And I will say that's nonsense. She is just a straight up Alpha Bitch, and it would only be problematic if she was the only female character in the series. If anything, I have seen she has some fans, the same with Zavok. It's only problematic if you're looking for things to be problematic.

I do know Zavok has his detractors, but over a silly dispute. Zavok is used a lot in spin-off material, no different from Silver back in the day, and his inclusion in Forces as a boss fight over Chaos and Shadow have nothing to do with him, as Metal Sonic is likewise a very frequent boss fight these days. He supposedly replaced Infinite as the third character in TFS, except he didn't; Infinite is treated just the same as Mephiles back in the day as a one-time character, too serious to be used again.

Of the Deadly Six I did see people genuinely dislike and have no defenders is Zomon, the fat one.

The entire page needs a rewrite to tone down the bashing. Does Chris even counts? I know people hate him, but he's also an example of of people warming up to him thanks to the third season.

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#4230: Feb 7th 2021 at 5:17:54 PM

I found this example under Video Games:

If it's intended then it's not a proper example, and instead it's a Hate Sink, right?

BSonirachi Since: Jun, 2011
#4231: Feb 7th 2021 at 6:55:40 PM

[up][up]Even then, Zavok and his ilk should still have a place in The Scrappy in some form as, while they do have their fans, they are still known to be widely hated due to shallow character writing. Just they should have their examples written in a neutral tone.

Spin-off or not, any appearance or mentioning of them in official material is always going to draw ire from the audience.

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#4232: Feb 7th 2021 at 9:53:25 PM

[up]And they shall be. I deleted the entry for now because I'm trying to think how to write it in a way that doesn't seem overly negative like the other entries. Right now I deleted most of the Omochao entry because two of the entries were nitpicking, and the third was "lampshading the trope", which you can't do in YMMV.

For that matter, I also deleted Eggman Nega. As a Hate Sink, he's meant to be disliked, and unlike the Deadly Six, Nega isn't pushed by the staff (in fact, he is ignored), and I haven't seen anyone hating the character, just finding him forgettable or confusing due to the mess that are Silver and Blaze stories. I removed the entry and rewrote it in They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character.

How does the scrappy apply to Black Doom is anyone's guess, tho. I did find him to be overly stereotypical evil, which describes most Sonic villains.

Edited by Tomodachi on Feb 7th 2021 at 9:57:25 AM

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#4233: Feb 8th 2021 at 12:15:03 AM

I was under the impression that nobody really cares about Black Doom. He's just an unremarkable aspect of Shadow the Hedgehog, which has more pertinent issues as a game.

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#4234: Feb 8th 2021 at 6:43:40 AM

So these just got added to YMMV.Yu Gi Oh VRAINS:

  • The Scrappy:
    • Go Onizuka slips into this in second season, thanks to the authors who desperately wanted to make him into a villain. Thankfully, by the third season they more-or-less rerailed him.
    • Shima Naoki, the fat ugly Heroic Wannabe with a creepy crush on Playmaker.
    • You will be hard-pressed into finding someone who sincerely likes Saito and Yamamoto. Their only role consists of hanging uselessly over the scene, trying to crack a joke and panicking over everything.

So Go wasn't already mentioned on the show's YMMV page, but he does already have an entry on the the franchise's page, so I guess that can stay? Though the end part seems to imply he was rescued... And I remember it was deemed a while ago that Shima was not The Scrappy and I still don't feel he is consistently hated enough to count and Saito and Yamamoto aren't generally people's favourites, but they're certainly not hated enough for this trope.

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#4235: Feb 8th 2021 at 4:00:20 PM

I rewrote the Deadly Six entry.

Here's the entry:

Eliminated most of the bashing, word cruft and unnecesary natter. Here is the original for comparison’s sake.

Edited by Tomodachi on Feb 8th 2021 at 4:05:30 AM

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#4236: Feb 9th 2021 at 2:56:38 AM

[up][up] TBH I find all those entries to be complaints on the characters.

  • For Go, he had an entry for the scrappy before but was deleted with the reason "Hate Sink is an intended reaction so it doesn't count." Guess they missed that one.
  • As for Shima, there's a Mod notice saying that he needs to be discussed first. IMO, I always thought of that guy as a Base-Breaking Character cause there are some who like him enough to be a Memetic Badass.
  • For Yamamoto and Saito, you're right about them being ignored by the fanbase so they don't count as scrappy.

Edited by cute_heart on Feb 9th 2021 at 7:51:51 PM

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#4237: Feb 9th 2021 at 7:20:16 AM

[up]Admittedly, I don't think Naoki is quite a Base-Breaking Character, more of just regular divisive since I don't really see arguments breaking out on him all the time (compared to say, what Soulburner gets). Though I forgot about the commented-out note, oops, though it seems someone already removed the entry. But I think you're right on the rest, so I'll remove them. Thank you for your input!

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datfunkyjellyfish Since: Jun, 2020
#4238: Feb 9th 2021 at 9:34:45 AM

I rewrote a lot of Sonic's Scrappy page sans the Deadly Six part, as shown above. Generally I aimed to shorten the examples and cut some complaining. Let me know if I missed something.

I'm also skeptical about Chris' placement on this page; has the fanbase warmed up to him or is he still hated? Perhaps he should be moved to Base-Breaking Character, but I included him here anyway before making that call.

Before edits:

    open/close all folders 
    Video Games 

    TV and Video (Anime included) 

    Comic Books 

After the edits:

    Video Games 

    Western Animation/Anime 

    Comic Books 
  • Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Comics):
    • Like in SatAM, Dulcy for her unpopular stories and lack of focus. They did make an honest attempt to redeem her after the Continuity Reboot by giving her Adaptational Intelligence, making her the leader of a separate group of Freedom Fighters and redesigning her to conform to the series' aesthetic, but it didn't help much.
    • Drago Wolf. His abusive behavior hit too close to home and his plan to frame Sonic during Endgame made little sense and sidetracked the story. Even when he joined the Destructrix, he brought next to nothing for the group. Not even writer Ian Flynn liked Drago, gleefully stating that he only used the guy out whenever he wants him thrashed by the heroes. Readers thought this missed the point; while the audience wasn't supposed to like Drago, it went beyond Love to Hate or Hate Sink, since it's not that they want to see him trashed, but not at all.
    • Tommy Turtle. He was originally a one-shot character that revealed that he had given Sonic a life lesson when he was younger and had performed a Heroic Sacrifice to save Sonic from an ambush. However, he ended up returning after a Time Skip, healthy, whole... and attempting to replace Tails and Rotor without being much of a character. When Ian Flynn took over, he compiled a list of characters in the series and arranged them in popularity, finding out that Tommy was still at the bottom (yes, even lower than Drago), promptly killing him off as a result.
    • Amadeus and Rosemary, Tails' parents, for leading a civil war against the Acorns. Rosemary is particularly disliked due to her more prominent role in said civil war and continuing to vote against the Freedom Fighters due to her overwhelming distrust of the monarchy, whereas Amadeus managed to settle things peacefully. While the Jerkass Has a Point due to Maximillian's Horrible Judge of Character leading to the Great War in the first place, it still didn't help Rosemary's popularity.
  • Shortfuse the Cybernik from Sonic the Comic. Overpowered, with little personality besides an allegedly short temper which did nothing to make him stand out (everybody hated Robotnik), and a Holier Than Thou attitude. Most fans found him both annoying and tiresome, especially since he told his backstory every time he appeared, sometimes twice in one issue, which has become a Running Gag amongst fans.

Edited by datfunkyjellyfish on Feb 9th 2021 at 12:49:38 PM

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#4239: Feb 9th 2021 at 9:56:11 AM

I applaud shortening the examples, and I like how you wrote them enough to be concise, although lacking a bit of the witty part. With that said, I'm still not sold on the idea of Zeena being there. What exactly makes her "hated"? Because from what I saw in the fandom, she is ignored and disliked with the whole group, not exactly individually. And even then, disliking her for having villainous traits seems like shoehorming a Hate Sink example.

Edited by Tomodachi on Feb 9th 2021 at 9:57:02 AM

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#4240: Feb 9th 2021 at 11:08:02 AM

[up]Made some edits to it's not as dry as Sandopolis. Thanks for the feedback!

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#4241: Feb 9th 2021 at 11:37:15 AM

[up][up][up][up][up][up] The mention of Zavok being a Creator's Pet can go. He dosen't fit all the criteria for that trope.

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#4242: Feb 9th 2021 at 11:57:13 AM

[up]This is where things get kind of messy with the Creator's Pet label for Zavok. He's missing the Character Shilling that would allow him to meet the criteria, but it hasn't stopped the fandom from labelling him as one regardless.

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#4243: Feb 9th 2021 at 12:11:52 PM

Which is silly, as neither Sonic Team shill him. As I made clear in my edit of the main page, Zavok hasn't had an actual relevant role since his debut, only appearing in one main game (Forces), and then appearing in a bunch of spin offs (which applies to everyone. Hell, Silver comes from a worst game and he was included in every game afterwards)

Zavok doesn't even have an official Sonic Channel profile, while Marine and Infinite do.

Keep in mind I'm adding him because the sentiment is clear with the fanbase. I disagree with it, but I see it.

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#4244: Feb 11th 2021 at 2:52:02 AM

Calling into question a certain edit from YMMV.Girls Frontline. Note that this contains major spoilers.

I felt like as if this was added too soon. Anyone acquainted with the GFL fanbase to determine how valid this is?

Eh, good enough.
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#4245: Feb 11th 2021 at 8:40:26 AM

[up] I know very little about that game, but:

  1. . It sounds like she's hated for villainous actions, which is very often a sign of misuse.
  2. . The Scrappy is on the No Recent Examples, Please!, so unless the event in question happened more than six months ago, that's grounds for deletion.

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#4246: Feb 12th 2021 at 10:37:27 AM

From YMMV.Punch Out:

  • The Scrappy: Mad Clown is perhaps the least popular character from the series (not counting Mr. Dream), and is seen as a lazy re-skin of Bear Hugger - while there are many other Palette Swaps in the series, Mad Clown is easily the most blatant of them all. It doesn't help he looks as creepy as any clown would look and has an annoying voice, as well as being a hard opponent for some people.

Well, if it counts for anything, Kotaku placed him 7th on their list of best opponents in the series. Is that motive to consider removal?

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#4247: Feb 12th 2021 at 11:42:26 AM

It appears to be the case, yes.

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#4248: Feb 12th 2021 at 12:33:00 PM

I have a question on this entry in Reborn! (2004)

I do know many fans do find him irritating (myself included), but I just checked the official popularity polls for the manga and he's usually in the top 10 or 20's. In the latest one, he's even above a fan-favorite character. Is this okay for removal?

Edited by cute_heart on Feb 12th 2021 at 5:02:17 PM

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#4249: Feb 12th 2021 at 1:12:08 PM

No, because I presume the poll is about his older self too.

I imagine Lambo as a whole is a Base-Breaking Character: people like his older self, but can't stand his young self.

Edited by Tomodachi on Feb 12th 2021 at 1:15:04 AM

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#4250: Feb 12th 2021 at 2:02:06 PM

In this case, is it possible for him to be a Base-Breaking Character and a scrappy at the same time? Do we separate his older self from his younger self or consider them as one?

Edited by cute_heart on Feb 12th 2021 at 6:04:00 PM

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