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tropineasily Currently Suspended Since: Sep, 2018
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#4076: Nov 11th 2020 at 8:44:30 AM

I think so. I've talked to them and they don't seem to be aware of the rules.

Let's wait for their response. They seemed confused about what the problem is, thinking the wording makes the entry invalid, not understanding that there are rules in the first place. If they continue to defend this entry we should consider reporting them.

Let's give them one last chance, if they delete the entry by themselves they should be free of consequences.

Edited by tropineasily on Nov 11th 2020 at 5:46:03 PM

tropineasily Currently Suspended Since: Sep, 2018
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#4077: Nov 11th 2020 at 9:27:52 AM

They replied, and their response basically amounted to "I'm just writing the fandom's opinion down! Why are you so biased?!"

Effectively showing that they didn't listen to single thing I told them. Okay, maybe it was unfair that I accused them of writing their own opinion down, but then again, why even bother? Why restore the example after it was deleted with an explanation?

I'm not even trying to slander them or anything. I gave them a second chance, told them to remove the entry because it was against the rules and all they did was complain.

Edited by tropineasily on Nov 11th 2020 at 8:04:34 PM

fragglelover Since: Jun, 2012
#4078: Nov 14th 2020 at 5:03:40 PM

This is on Peppa Pig

  • The Scrappy:
    • Even those who like the series or watch it ironically tend to hate the narrator, since he's the textbook example of Narrating the Obvious. He supports the ill belief that Viewers Are Morons.
    • Mr. Potato is disliked by a lot of people too, due to his annoying theme music and jingle every time he appears, his design being out of place, his omnipresence in the entire series and his voice. He's even considered the Jimmy Savile of the Peppa Pig universe!
    • Out of the kids in Peppa's playgroup, Pedro Pony is the most hated. This is because of him being annoying, dumb, an offensive American stereotype, his design being a blatant rip-off of a certain aardvark's, his voice, and the Baked Beans Song he sings in an episode further added to his hatedom.
    • The Queen is also hated, due to being an offensive stereotype of Queen Elizabeth II. Even The Queen herself hated how she was portrayed in the show.
    • Delphine Donkey and her family are hated by some people too, due to being offensive French stereotypes. The fact that they're donkeys doesn't help one bit.
    • Even the main character, Peppa, is hated, likely due to being bossy, rude and a poor role model.

ATricksterArtist Back from the grave. from CH 57 (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Back from the grave.
#4079: Nov 14th 2020 at 5:23:34 PM

Most of these, such as the narrator don't fit since, well, it's a kid's show. Not every kid will pick up every single thing that happens in the show. Also:

  • He's even considered the Jimmy Savile of the Peppa Pig universe!

Comparing someone who's done some messed up crap... with a talking potato?

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mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#4080: Nov 14th 2020 at 6:27:44 PM

Pedro and Delphine could fall under Ethnic Scrappy if the groups in question hate them.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
ATricksterArtist Back from the grave. from CH 57 (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Back from the grave.
#4081: Nov 14th 2020 at 6:31:26 PM

Also, about [up][up][up][up]...whatever happened to that? I know tropin got the boot, but...what about the other party?

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mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#4082: Nov 14th 2020 at 6:33:32 PM

Tropineasily got the boot for other reasons I think. But we may as well call up ~CAS Hero to settle the SVTFOE debate.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Oshawott337 Since: Jul, 2020 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
#4083: Nov 18th 2020 at 3:33:18 PM

From TheScrappy.Danganronpa:

  • Danganronpa Togami:
    • Byakuya Togami himself tends to verge on this, thanks to his Jerkass demeanour being dialed Up To Eleven while being forced to wield a massive Idiot Ball. To make things worse; in the main series, Togami's behaviour nearly got him killed and led to him becoming less of a prick, but here he's praised constantly by the main narrator and rarely suffers repercussions for his actions to absurd degrees. The fact that he's infamously Out of Focus does not help.
      • Despite this, this does not apply to Togami in any other piece of media, where he's actually quite popular, if a bit controversial.

So, as the entry points out, Togami isn't normally considered to be The Scrappy outside of this one Light Novel and I'm pretty sure this isn't an alternate continuity. Can I cut it?

Edited by Oshawott337 on Nov 18th 2020 at 5:34:13 AM

"Let’s see who’s stronger: someone that has something to protect, or someone that has nothing to lose."
ejmenendez Since: May, 2015
#4084: Nov 18th 2020 at 4:52:56 PM

[up] Cut. Togami is, for the most part, a Base-Breaking Character. Plus, I don't think Danganronpa Togami is well known enough among fans to cause them to view him completely as The Scrappy.

Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
#4085: Nov 22nd 2020 at 3:20:43 PM

YMMV.The Hunchback Of Notre Dame

  • Base-Breaking Character: Scrappy they may be, but the gargoyles do contribute a lot of genuinely Funny Moments. Which side of the Broken Base a fan falls into often depends on their age. People who were teens or adults when the film came out tend to hate the gargoyles, and people who were children at the time love them. Then there are those who don't think they're unequivocally awful, but don't like them much either; or they like Victor and Laverne but think Hugo is too crass and over the top. And then there are those that think they're cute and funny characters, but they're completely misplaced in this movie and would fit better in either Aladdin or Hercules. One thing that does tend to be generally agreed upon, though, is that the decision to depict the gargoyles as definitely animate and sentient in several scenes, rather than purely figments of Quasimodo's imagination, was a bad idea.

  • The Scrappy: Hugo is probably one of, if not the most hated Disney sidekick of all time. Even people who like the other Gargoyles tend to single him out as the worst part of the movie, mostly due to causing a great deal of Mood Whiplash, having little personality beyond being a Fat Idiot, especially in comparison to Victor and Laverne, and his creepy attraction to Djali.

Since BBC and Scrappy are mutually exclusive, what to do?

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Nov 22nd 2020 at 3:22:32 AM

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#4086: Nov 22nd 2020 at 3:36:50 PM

Maybe the first example could be tweaked to say "the other gargoyles (minus Hugo, who is considered The Scrappy)" if it's true that Hugo is considered disproportionately worse?

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Blazing_Larvesta Blazing Larvesta from Unova Route 18 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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#4087: Nov 23rd 2020 at 6:04:40 PM

I was looking through the Video Game Scrappy page and noticed that a number of entries do not seem to qualify or are otherwise rather flawed. Here are some of the entries I take issue with:

  • Professor Chops (Donkey Kong Country) - Only hated for gameplay reasons. Seems more like an Annoying Video Game Helper than a straight up Scrappy to me.
  • Prince Charmles (Dragon Quest) - He is actively designed to be despised, which the entry even points out.
  • Ash Crimson (King of Fighters) - Zero-Context Example. If this entry were expanded upon, I can see it being kept, but until then, we should probably comment this entry out.
  • Pyribbit (Kirby) - Only his boss fight is brought up as a reason for putting him on the page. This entry seems like it belongs in That One Boss instead.
  • Dark Green Miis (Streetpass Mii Plaza) - Only hated for gameplay reasons. This entry blatantly belongs in Tier Induced Scrappy instead.
  • Host (Wii Party) - Another Zero-Context Example that just complains about the character's presentation.
I am considering removing each of these entries aside from Ash Crimson (which I think should be commented out until elaborated on) and moving the out of place ones to the correct Scrappy pages. If anybody has any objections to my post, please let me know, and I will make whatever changes I need to.

chucknormie Meh. from DEMACIA! Since: May, 2015 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
Meh.
#4088: Nov 23rd 2020 at 8:13:35 PM

Found on Rent-A-Girlfriend. This entry goes into detail about how everyone hates Mami...then admits she's the most-liked character in the entire show on MAL. Is it due for a cut? From what I've seen, the people who consider her to be an annoying waste of time really think that, but there are just as many who hate her for the right reasons, and even some who like her for her Brutal Honesty.

  • The Scrappy: Nobody likes Mami for the following reasons:
    • Not only does she come off as a blatant manipulator who toys with people's feelings, such as how she abruptly broke up with Kazuya after just a month and told him to his face that it's because she met someone she likes more, which is later revealed to be a lie, but fans are further put off by how cruelly she treats him, viciously insulting him and deriding him as a pervert in front of Chizuru, which her and Kazuya's friends find very uncomfortable despite their own tendency to rib on him, and even going as far to demand Kazuya apologize on her behalf when Chizuru defends him and calls her out on it.
    • Fans are extremely put off for her motives for trying to break Kazuya and Chizuru up, which isn't because she still likes Kazuya and wants to get back with him like most instances of this, but out of spite over the fact that Kazuya apparently found another girlfriend so soon after she dumped him.
    • The hatred fans have for Mami even extended to her English voice actress, Laura Stahl. Take note that the vitriol started right after the English cast was announced. Even worse, she was forced to address the hate mail she received on her birthday.
    • When the series had an official collaboration with another company to sell limited edition products, Mami's products barely sold.
    • This is interestingly subverted on My Anime List, where Mami actually has the most number of favorites in the series, even more than Chizuru, Ruka, and Sumi. See it for yourselves. Just how really high is her actual number of favorites? She's currently the most favorited anime character introduced in 2020 on the site, while the second highest goes to Miko Iino from Kaguya-sama: Love Is War.

"Blowing it up always works" -RIP Goblin Boommaster, 2014-2015
DocSharp Since: Jun, 2011
#4089: Nov 23rd 2020 at 8:15:59 PM

[up][up] If I may offer my help, Ash can safely be cut. King of Fighters XIII definitively rescued him and he's a much more popular character nowadays - the fans are even asking for him to come back.

StrixObscuro from Somewhere in Massachusetts Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
#4090: Nov 26th 2020 at 8:06:48 PM

A bunch from Comic Books (I have bolded parts of the excerpts for emphasis):

Cyborg in the New 52 Justice League series is one for many fans of Martian Manhunter due to him replacing J'onn as a founding member. Ironically, this also counts for his Teen Titans fans, as Vic went from having a support network in his team to just having a business-like relationship with them.

Is being hated by a section of the fandom enough to qualify a character for scrappydom?

A minor example among queer readers is the villain Endless Winter. Originally, she was Delores Winters, the actress whose body was hijacked by the Ultra-Humanite. In a JSA Classified arc, Delores became an Ascended Extra where her life after her body was stolen was explored. The doctor who removed her brain felt pity for her and gave her a new body, but Delores thought it was hideous and began demanding organ transplants. Eventually she started kidnapping superheroes and villains to steal their empowered body parts, such as Loose Cannon's heart and Godiva's hair. What made her so hated was that she had Icemaiden, one of the few openly bisexual characters DC had (and she'd been around for over thirty years), completely skinned alive. And what's worse is Icemaiden survived, but was last seen comatose. Fans were outraged at such deplorable treatment and thus immediately hated Endless Winter. In her last appearance, she was killed off in Justice League: Cry for Justice while fighting Batwoman.

Is there such a thing as a "minor" scrappy?

Prysm, a member of Dan Jurgens' volume 2 team, isn't very liked by some classic fans due to coming off too naive and stereotypically feminine, spoiled, and her visual appeal mostly coming from the fact that she was nude all the time.

I am aware that the Jurgens-era Titans team is not highly-regarded, but the way this is phrased makes it sound like only some fans hate the character, whereas the requirements are that the character be widely hated. If the character is indeed widely hated, then the "some classic fans" part should be excised. If it is just "some classic fans", then she doesn't fall under this trope, does she?

Bombshell was widely disliked by a number of fans during her brief tenure on the team. She was criticized for having very little personality and was accused of trying to ape the characterization of the recently departed fan favorite Ravager. The fact that she was a Motor Mouth and a Jerkass didn't do much to help her standing with fans.

Again, the phrasing here is contradictory. Either she has a large hatedom, or that hatedom is a Vocal Minority.

Slobo/Lil' Lobo was a polarizing figure among fans and writers. The final issue of the series saw him transformed, turned into a living statue, and he has not been seen or mentioned since. DC editor-in-chief Dan DiDio reportedly despised the character, and claimed that he nearly ruined the original Lobo.

This example doesn't even explain why fans or writers hate the character, and being hated by Dan DiDio doesn't mean much, considering that he's legendary for his irrational hatreds.

Aunt May, to those who feel her character has become The Artifact. As Peter Parker is now an adult, a grandmotherly figure seems more unnecessary. It doesn't help that his attempts at saving her life caused the most hated storyline in Spider-Man history. It also doesn't help that both of her deaths were well-received, especially the first, an undoing them so she can be a grandmother to Peter is seen as really unnecessary.

Again, the phrasing implies that her hatedom is only part of the fanbase.

Cindy Moon aka Silk was this when she was first introduced (she got seriously Rescued from the Scrappy Heap when her ongoing came out though). Created via retcon as a girl who was also bitten by the same radioactive spider as Peter Parker, Silk was a huge Creator's Pet and Replacement Scrappy who was introduced to be both Peter's new love interest and crime-fighting partner, whose debut storyline also featured the highly controversial Face–Heel Turn of Black Cat. Besides her powers being essentially 'Spider-Man's only better', she also had Strangled by the Red String as an actual part of her powerset, as she produced pheromones that made herself and Peter unable to stop trying to make out when together, something that raises serious questions about consent. All of this combined with her It's All About Me disposition, and her inexperience in superheroingnote made her heavily disliked...and yet, for some reason Marvel decided to give her an ongoing series.

Not included here is a whole hidden block of text about how she got Rescued from the Scrappy Heap, which raises questions about whether she still belongs on the Scrappy page at all.

Very difficult to believe now, but Kitty Pryde started out like this. Her introductory story was fine, but some fans thought that Claremont had no idea what to do with her after John Byrne left (it did not help that Byrne's final three issues were crowning moments of awesome for Kitty). Her acceptance became general in the Brood arc (which also introduced Lockheed, her constant companion) and with the story "Professor Xavier Is A Jerk!" which was fittingly about Kitty Pryde justifying her membership of the X-Men.

Does temporary scrappydom count for this trope?

Edited by StrixObscuro on Nov 26th 2020 at 11:07:16 AM

By now, it should be clear to all except the most dense of us that sheep are secretly conspiring to kill us all and steal our pants.
Valiona Since: Mar, 2011
#4091: Nov 27th 2020 at 9:31:20 AM

I'd like to propose adding a few examples to the Visual Novel page, from the YMMV pages for the respective visual novels.

For the Ace Attorney franchise, specifically from Spirit of Justice.

  • While Nahyuta is an intensely polarizing character at best, the hatred for Queen Ga'ran is far more unanimous. Widely considered a strong contender for the worst villain in the franchise, she is one of the most hated aspects of the game by its critics, and even fans of the game admit to her being a weak point. Common reasons for hating her includes her incredibly gaudy Obviously Evil design and appearance often compared to a bad Disney villain, being a Generic Doomsday Villain seemingly cobbled together from the traits of more popular villains such as Von Karma (unbeaten prosecutor who takes extreme pride in their reputation), Morgan (powerless spirit medium obsessed with getting vengeance on her sister) and Blaise (absolute power who has an emotionally abusive and domineering relationship with their child), her immense stupidity that leads her to going through with a trial rather than just having Apollo and his friends executed, having virtually no character depth of any kind, and the game still trying to act like she's not the culprit of Inga's murder until the final part of the trial. Good luck finding anyone who even remotely likes her.

Also for Shinrai: Broken Beyond Despair

  • Kotoba is commonly cited as people's least favorite character, mainly because of his over-the-top perverted nature, which isn't helped by him stalking Momo. One Steam reviewer even compared him to Teruteru from Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair(who's also a Scrappy), and even went so far as to say that Teruteru actually had some redeeming features.
  • Nobara's father is similarly disliked for his creepy behavior toward his daughter. It doesn't help that his only role in the story is to drive Nobara and Raiko to the party, something that could be fulfilled by any other person with a car and a license.

Klavice (Elder Troper)
#4092: Nov 27th 2020 at 10:13:53 AM

I think Ga'ran falls more under Hate Sink as she was made with the intention of being despised. While I do agree she has zero fans, she's made with the intent of being hated, and HS and Scrappy are not mutually exclusive as Scrappy is unintentionally hated while HS is intentionally hated. Teruteru is a Scrappy because he's unintentionally hated, I feel with characters like Ga'ran or Junko they are made to be hated whether they have fans or not.

It's debatable but I think Hiyoko might also fall under Hate Sink too although she does have fans, I feel like she's intentionally cruel and her death was meant to be a "Wow, who did it?" compared to Ensemble Dark Horse Ibuki Mioda's death who was way better received.

Edited by Klavice on Nov 27th 2020 at 10:17:15 AM

WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#4093: Nov 27th 2020 at 10:45:47 AM

Strix@ Cyborg might be more of a Replacement Scrappy since he did took the spot of Manhunter.

MatthewLMayfield from wherever he damn well pleases (Captain) Relationship Status: I wanna know what love is
#4094: Nov 27th 2020 at 12:32:25 PM

From Grand Theft Auto: Vice City:

Does that really belong here? Lance isn't listed as a Scrappy and on top of this, his character sheet lists him as a Hate Sink

chucknormie Meh. from DEMACIA! Since: May, 2015 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
Meh.
#4095: Nov 27th 2020 at 1:29:13 PM

Cut the Mami entry, yes or no?

"Blowing it up always works" -RIP Goblin Boommaster, 2014-2015
ejmenendez Since: May, 2015
#4096: Nov 28th 2020 at 2:14:21 AM

[up] I'm not too familiar with the show, but if she got the top spot on My Anime List, then she's at least a Base-Breaking Character. I'd say cut her from The Scrappy and move any relevant things to Base-Breaking Character.

DukeNukem4ever Since: Jan, 2017
#4097: Nov 28th 2020 at 3:31:30 AM

Speaking of Danganronpa, I have questions about some candidates.

Since the sub-entries label these characters as having been Rescued from the Scrappy Heap and the Scrappy characters are supposed to be consistently hated (else Toko Fukawa would qualify as well), I want to hear your opinion about this.

chucknormie Meh. from DEMACIA! Since: May, 2015 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
Meh.
#4098: Nov 28th 2020 at 9:11:31 AM

[up][up]Ok, Mami entry is getting cut and moving to BBC.

"Blowing it up always works" -RIP Goblin Boommaster, 2014-2015
WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#4099: Nov 28th 2020 at 3:22:09 PM

On BBC, it needs a six month wait when the conflict started. And Rent a Girlfriend didn't get a page until the middle of anime run. So it should cut entirely.

chucknormie Meh. from DEMACIA! Since: May, 2015 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
Meh.
#4100: Nov 28th 2020 at 3:47:45 PM

That would mean cutting every single BBC entry for other characters as well.

"Blowing it up always works" -RIP Goblin Boommaster, 2014-2015

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