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Someone put back the Scrappy tree I deleted from Criminal Case. There reasons were, and I quote, "The description of this trope is "The fans hate this character for some reason.". Just because they're supposed to be disliked doesn't mean they're not scrappies. Why do you think they were voted as the most annoying character?"
Do you guys want to tell them that's not how this trope works, or should I?
Pokemon's page has several questionable examples that seem better under Base-Breaking Character, like Ritchie, May's Munchlax, Ash's Pignite, and Chatot.
I would say Chatot is rescued from the scrappy heap after his actions in Brine Cave. Just like a certain pet rabbit that will remain nameless.
Also I've seen a lot of hate directed at Trace the new rival for Let's Go because he's... too nice. Should he be a Base-Breaking Character or an outright Scrappy because I don't see a single fan in his corner.
Aside from Pokemon Youtubers who while they aren't mean to him per se, are less welcoming of him than previous rivals.
He should be neither. The game isn't out long enough for him to be qualified as Base-Breaking Character, and his hatedom is a Vocal Minority.
In regards to the Final Fantasy XIV scrappy entries.
Alphinaud has been pretty well received post A Realm Reborn as the following expansions expanded on his character greatly. He really doesn't fit The Scrappy anymore.
Minifillia is more difficult to discuss. She certainly has people who dislike her because she really doesn't do much. However, events leading into Stormblood had some events with her character that I think people liked. She definitely is a scrappy candidate, but I am not sure if she does for sure qualify.
Regarding this post, have we reached a consensus on who stays?
From YMMV.The Nostalgia Critic
Douchie is a meant to be annoying, so I'm not sure if he counts. I'm unsure if main characters can't count as Scrappies.
"The Critic himself to some after the revival" sounds very weasel-wordy. Cut it.
Plus he’s on Base Breaker for his post revival self anyway.
Douchie is a Hate Sink and the Critic himself has done plenty of horrible thing pre revival like his actions in Kickassia.
A main character can be The Scrappy, but it's not likely. If that's the case, the work is probably also hated.
I found this in My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic (IDW) Issue 40
This examples seem more "i hate the Portrayal of the character then i hate the character" since Celestia isn't a scrappy. Minus any Ron the Death Eater treatment.
I added that because every fan I've seen has been critical of her portrayal in that comic. Do one-off moments for otherwise popular characters count? How long and consistently do they have to be hated to count?
Attack on Titan:
Gabi has been deemed not to count here. I cut both since they fail to explain why it unintentional and use Weasel Words "borderline" and "may be". Thoughts?
"Borderline" = immediate cut.
I dont think a moment count to srappydom since Scrappy should only really applied to the character themselves.
Yeah, it's about the character, not a moment in her life.
YMMV.Red Dead Redemption 2
The first violates the no gropes clause (it sounds more like Scrappy Mechanic) and the other gives nothing to suggest it's unintentional. Cut?
Aren't there a lot of things that get you wanted that players feel are "justice"? Either way, yeah, it's more about the mechanic, and players whining about the characters outsmarting them.
No idea about Mary, but few characters are entirely sympathetic, and most are criminals, arses, or both. Then again, there's a reason the game doesn't appeal to me, so I'm not the best judge of that.
YMMV.Duke Nukem Forever
I'd say cut since "for some" and we've established that single one-off bad portrayals don't count. But given he's unlikely to have future appearances to make this one-off and the problem is the traits that made him popular haven't aged well... Thoughts?
Cut it. The "for some" part is weasel words.
RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap.Star Wars The Clone Wars says Jar Jar Binks was rescued. Since we've decided rescued characters no longer count (we've removed Anakin and Padmé for this reason, or was it due to being Base-Breaking Characters), should he be removed? I hesitate because he's an iconic example of hatedom second only to the Trope Namer.
How much or completely must one be rescued to no longer count?
TheScrappy.Star Wars Legends
Kreia I believe has fans for her Deconstruction of franchise staples. G0-T0 being a villain and having the issues pointed out argues against it being unintentional. Other argue it's justified or that they have positives. Anything worth keeping from this?
I'd argue for cutting those wholesale, as they're all just listing complaints without any attempt to assert that they're a majority opinion. Hell, the Juhani entry even says the words "small Hatedom". (And I don't think I've ever run into anyone who actually expressed a dislike of Mission until now).
Since the matter of the edit-warring troper on YMMV.Attack On Titan is done with, is the Take That, Scrappy! entry there even valid?
It's talking about how fans who dislike the characters are happy to see them suffer, but it's not telling us if the amount of fans in the fandom meet the criteria for justifying the Scrappy label. For all we know, those examples could be talking about a Vocal Minority.
Which is why I really hate dealing with Broken Base and Hatedom-related audience reactions. Most of the time you are struggling to find an overall view of the fandom and how the majority feels.
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