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MinisterOfSinister From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye! from In the Hall of the Mountain King Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
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Dec 2nd 2018 at 9:45:28 AM

Someone put back the Scrappy tree I deleted from Criminal Case. There reasons were, and I quote, "The description of this trope is "The fans hate this character for some reason.". Just because they're supposed to be disliked doesn't mean they're not scrappies. Why do you think they were voted as the most annoying character?"

Do you guys want to tell them that's not how this trope works, or should I?

Pichu-kun ...
Dec 3rd 2018 at 10:04:53 AM

Pokemon's page has several questionable examples that seem better under Base-Breaking Character, like Ritchie, May's Munchlax, Ash's Pignite, and Chatot.

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Dec 3rd 2018 at 8:26:53 PM

I would say Chatot is rescued from the scrappy heap after his actions in Brine Cave. Just like a certain pet rabbit that will remain nameless.

Also I've seen a lot of hate directed at Trace the new rival for Let's Go because he's... too nice. Should he be a Base-Breaking Character or an outright Scrappy because I don't see a single fan in his corner.

Aside from Pokemon Youtubers who while they aren't mean to him per se, are less welcoming of him than previous rivals.

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RAlexa21th Angel Flare, ready to go! from California Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Angel Flare, ready to go!
Dec 3rd 2018 at 8:29:00 PM

He should be neither. The game isn't out long enough for him to be qualified as Base-Breaking Character, and his hatedom is a Vocal Minority.

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Dec 4th 2018 at 4:08:03 PM

In regards to the Final Fantasy XIV scrappy entries.

Alphinaud has been pretty well received post A Realm Reborn as the following expansions expanded on his character greatly. He really doesn't fit The Scrappy anymore.

Minifillia is more difficult to discuss. She certainly has people who dislike her because she really doesn't do much. However, events leading into Stormblood had some events with her character that I think people liked. She definitely is a scrappy candidate, but I am not sure if she does for sure qualify.

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Dec 7th 2018 at 8:17:22 AM

From YMMV.The Nostalgia Critic

  • The Scrappy:
    • Douchie McNitpick was supposed to be intentionally annoying but it worked too well which is why he was loathed by the audience. Doub and Rob caught up with that which is why his character got turned into more of a comically pathatic person who lives with his mother and masturbates to the green M&M.
    • The Critic himself to some after the revival since he took more of a level in jerkass and for completely ditching his previous character arc.

Douchie is a meant to be annoying, so I'm not sure if he counts. I'm unsure if main characters can't count as Scrappies.

Dec 7th 2018 at 8:19:56 AM

[up]"The Critic himself to some after the revival" sounds very weasel-wordy. Cut it.

emeriin Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Dec 7th 2018 at 11:45:53 AM

Plus he’s on Base Breaker for his post revival self anyway.

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Klavice Woobie Cleaner Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
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Dec 7th 2018 at 7:48:46 PM

Douchie is a Hate Sink and the Critic himself has done plenty of horrible thing pre revival like his actions in Kickassia.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
Dec 8th 2018 at 6:08:44 AM

A main character can be The Scrappy, but it's not likely. If that's the case, the work is probably also hated.

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Dec 8th 2018 at 12:49:27 PM

I found this in My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic (IDW) Issue 40

This examples seem more "i hate the Portrayal of the character then i hate the character" since Celestia isn't a scrappy. Minus any Ron the Death Eater treatment.

Gacha Is A Lie.
Dec 8th 2018 at 10:29:53 PM

[up] I added that because every fan I've seen has been critical of her portrayal in that comic. Do one-off moments for otherwise popular characters count? How long and consistently do they have to be hated to count?

Attack on Titan:

  • The Scrappy: Gabi Braun is a borderline case of this, drawing considerable ire since her introduction due to her fanaticism and blood lust towards the Paradis Eldians, with few sympathetic qualities to make up for it, especially when in the presence of the other warrior cadets. Her killing of fan favorite Sasha however only magnified the hatedom surrounding her that much more.
    • Floch Forster may be another for similar reasons as Gabi, showing himself to be a complete sociopath willing to kill innocents and betray his own people to fulfill his vision of Eren freeing the Eldians out of an imperialist desire to see them exact revenge upon humanity; even before this, he was widely seen as a Jerkass who often butted heads with his comrades when it wasn't called for. Deliberate Values Dissonance aside, his lack of loyalty to his own people has certainly not helped his case.

Gabi has been deemed not to count here. I cut both since they fail to explain why it unintentional and use Weasel Words "borderline" and "may be". Thoughts?

RAlexa21th Angel Flare, ready to go! from California Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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Dec 8th 2018 at 10:53:25 PM

"Borderline" = immediate cut.

A lesson without pain is meaningless.
Dec 9th 2018 at 6:28:29 AM

[up][up]I dont think a moment count to srappydom since Scrappy should only really applied to the character themselves.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
Dec 9th 2018 at 11:15:26 AM

Yeah, it's about the character, not a moment in her life.

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Dec 10th 2018 at 1:34:43 AM

YMMV.Red Dead Redemption 2

  • The Scrappy:
    • The Street Urchins in Saint Denis have already garnered hatred from some players, especially the urchin who pickpockets Arthur in "The Joys of Civilisation". They will constantly harass you which quickly becomes grating to the ears for players. Some might even trick you into getting mugged in an alleyway and if you retaliate you'll end up getting wanted by the law.
    • Mary Linton is hated by a large portion of the fandom. She is considered whiny, entitled, and to be leading Arthur on, by how she asks him for help with her family, particularly her father who has never liked him, and then whines that he'll never change.

The first violates the no gropes clause (it sounds more like Scrappy Mechanic) and the other gives nothing to suggest it's unintentional. Cut?

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
Dec 10th 2018 at 2:51:01 AM

[up]Aren't there a lot of things that get you wanted that players feel are "justice"? Either way, yeah, it's more about the mechanic, and players whining about the characters outsmarting them.

No idea about Mary, but few characters are entirely sympathetic, and most are criminals, arses, or both. Then again, there's a reason the game doesn't appeal to me, so I'm not the best judge of that.

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Dec 11th 2018 at 12:27:42 PM

YMMV.Duke Nukem Forever

  • The Scrappy: For some, Duke Nukem himself, given that he Took a Level in Jerkass to the point that his behavior has become nothing more than It's All About Me. The fact that the rest of the world immortalizes and practically considers him super awesome, and the few people that doubt him either die and/or are assholes and traitors to mankind in the President's case doesn't help.

I'd say cut since "for some" and we've established that single one-off bad portrayals don't count. But given he's unlikely to have future appearances to make this one-off and the problem is the traits that made him popular haven't aged well... Thoughts?

Dec 11th 2018 at 12:35:00 PM

[up]Cut it. The "for some" part is weasel words.

Dec 11th 2018 at 1:34:45 PM

RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap.Star Wars The Clone Wars says Jar Jar Binks was rescued. Since we've decided rescued characters no longer count (we've removed Anakin and Padmé for this reason, or was it due to being Base-Breaking Characters), should he be removed? I hesitate because he's an iconic example of hatedom second only to the Trope Namer.

How much or completely must one be rescued to no longer count?

TheScrappy.Star Wars Legends

  • Carth Onasi seems to be this to a lot of Knights of the Old Republic gamers. The game repeatedly asks you if you want to talk to him, and when you do talk to him, he ends up whining about how much his life sucks and how he can't ever trust you.note  Although this is justified considering that he's lost his wife (killed during the Sith attack on Telos), his son (student of the Sith at the Korriban Academy) and his mentor (defected to the Sith prior to the attack on Telos) in the war. note 
    • Bastila is this for an equally large portion of the fanbase. Yes, all those "Dark side is bad" lectures were justified in hindsight, but her sheer arrogance, Holier Than Thou attitude, and picking fights with other NPCs after lecturing you on the Jedi Code "there is no emotion" just minutes earlier really annoyed some players.
    • Mission also gets this for being a young teenager with very little sense of self-preservation or ability to censor her opinions. Other players dislike her for her low hit points and Useless Useful Stealth.
    • Juhani's extreme Tsundere attitude, mood swings, thick accent, not being a conventionally sexy female alien, and being the first Gay Option BioWare attempted also garners a small Hatedom. To her credit, though, she is a devastating melee combatant and an Optional Party Member.
  • Heck, almost every NPC in Knights of the Old Republic II has at least a small hatedom, even HK-47. However, the prize for most hated character must go to G0-T0, who's the individual responsible for causing most of the game's events and half the galaxy trying to kill the Exile. His grand plan was to capture the Exile and convince them to work for him. As the Exile points out, if he had just asked, they might have said yes and saved both of them all of this hassle.
    • Much of the hatedom of G0-T0 comes from his extremely obnoxious personality and the Insane Troll Logic he employs in regards to the destruction of Peragus; he constantly acts as if it was somehow the PC's fault that the facility was destroyed. Yet if anything, G0-T0 himself is much more to blame; the PC wouldn't have been there at all if s/he hadn't been abducted by G0-T0's bounty hunter who also gratuitously slaughtered all the personnel for no real reason, drugged the PC and then locked the facility down. This delayed the PC's escape long enough for the Sith to arrive and destroy the facility. The fact that he is also one of the most useless party members, his stats are terrible and gaining influence with him results in no real benefit cements his Scrappy status.
    • Kreia is also widely disliked, mostly because she will not shut up about how whatever it is you just did was the wrong thing, for a value of "whatever you just did" that can mean any action at all. Under normal circumstances, if a teammate is going to harangue you at every opportunity, you can just leave them on the ship and be spared them, but since you have a Force bond with Kreia, even that is no obstacle, and she will simply use telepathy to lecture to you about how she is right and you are wrong ad nauseum. It's made more frustrating by the fact that you can't properly argue with her, and that what events G0-T0 wasn't responsible for, she is although at least there's the pleasing fact that you can eventually kill her with lightsabres.

Kreia I believe has fans for her Deconstruction of franchise staples. G0-T0 being a villain and having the issues pointed out argues against it being unintentional. Other argue it's justified or that they have positives. Anything worth keeping from this?

nrjxll Relationship Status: Not war
Dec 11th 2018 at 1:59:55 PM

I'd argue for cutting those wholesale, as they're all just listing complaints without any attempt to assert that they're a majority opinion. Hell, the Juhani entry even says the words "small Hatedom". (And I don't think I've ever run into anyone who actually expressed a dislike of Mission until now).

AnoBakaDesu Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
Dec 12th 2018 at 2:44:48 PM

Since the matter of the edit-warring troper on YMMV.Attack On Titan is done with, is the Take That, Scrappy! entry there even valid?

  • Take That, Scrappy!
    • Many fans take pleasure in the Trauma Conga Line Gabi is being forced through in Paradis as her pro-Marley ideals are continually tested and broken by the people around her who are not afraid to call out her behavior.
    • Fans who dislike Mikasa took a perverse glee in chapter 112 when Eren tells her that he's always hated her.

"They played us like a DAMN FIDDLE!" — Kazuhira Miller, Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
Dec 12th 2018 at 4:01:41 PM

It's talking about how fans who dislike the characters are happy to see them suffer, but it's not telling us if the amount of fans in the fandom meet the criteria for justifying the Scrappy label. For all we know, those examples could be talking about a Vocal Minority.

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AnoBakaDesu Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
Dec 12th 2018 at 6:56:34 PM

Which is why I really hate dealing with Broken Base and Hatedom-related audience reactions. Most of the time you are struggling to find an overall view of the fandom and how the majority feels.

"They played us like a DAMN FIDDLE!" — Kazuhira Miller, Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain

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