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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
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Oct 27th 2018 at 5:09:45 PM

I have no idea what trope that's supposed to describe. Cut it.

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MasterJoseph Shipping FrolaytiaXQwenthur of Heavy Object. Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
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Oct 27th 2018 at 8:27:05 PM

Found this on Echoes: Naruko is becoming one. Mainly because she plays every Naruto cliche the author is trying to Deconstruct straight.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
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Oct 28th 2018 at 12:17:18 AM

"Is becoming" means "isn't yet". Cut.

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MinisterOfSinister From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye! from In the Hall of the Mountain King Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
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Oct 28th 2018 at 6:54:04 AM

Baldur's Gate lists Nalia and Jan Jansen. From my experience in the BG fandom, they certainly have their detractors, but I think they have enough proponents as well to merely qualify as Base Breaking Characters. I don't know if they were Scrappies at some point, but I don't feel like they qualify at this stage.

Edited by MinisterOfSinister on Oct 28th 2018 at 1:54:18 PM

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
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Oct 28th 2018 at 9:48:11 AM

I think I've mentioned them before, or I was just considering it. Anyway, I agree. While not conclusive proof or anything, I know there's an extensive mod for romancing Nalia, and it's reasonably popular. But on the whole, I'm not sure any character has such a distinct hatedom to qualify even as a Base-Breaking Character. The vast majority of players simply ignore characters they're not interested in. Jan is one of those.

I can maybe see a case for Anomen, though, since pretty much everything I've seen about him is negative. And yet, he's still got some redeeming (in the eyes of the community) traits, in particular after his personal quest.

Ellesime's entry is full of weasel words.

Noober is supposed to be annoying, so he doesn't qualify.

Anomen and Jan are also listed as Base-Breaking Character, which probably needs some cleaning as well.

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Oct 28th 2018 at 4:02:12 PM

This was added back to TheScrappy.Western Animation:

  • Numbuh 363 is widely hated by many fans. The fact he is the brother of Numbuh 362 makes him seem even worse.

This fails to explain why he's unintentionally hated. 363 is listed under Hate Sink which note they got decommissioned.

I PM's the troper who added it gave the go ahead to remove.

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Oct 28th 2018 at 5:46:43 AM

Nov 1st 2018 at 8:45:39 AM

Bringing up this example from Charmed (2018):

  • The Scrappy: Mel is shaping up to be this, as the character seems to be used mostly as a mouth piece for the writers' feminist ideas, which come off as a parody.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
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Nov 1st 2018 at 11:17:15 AM

"Shaping up" means not yet. Cut.

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Nov 1st 2018 at 11:54:16 AM

Isn't the show also just barely out? We should probably wait for a bit to make sure the reactions aren't kneejerk.

Edited by dragonfire5000 on Nov 1st 2018 at 11:55:22 AM

MasterJoseph Shipping FrolaytiaXQwenthur of Heavy Object. Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
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Nov 2nd 2018 at 8:30:10 PM

Cut this from ElfQuest for not providing context: Scouter. Apparently few in the fandom would grieve if Dewshine and Tyleet just smothered him to death one night.

This character from The Texas Chain Saw Massacre (1974) sounds more like a Base-Breaking Character: Franklin for his morbid personality, incessant bitching, and just being The Load in general. Yes, he's handicapped, but that doesn't excuse him acting like a Jerkass so often.

  • Although he also does have his fans, who praise him for at least having a distinct personality unlike the other protagonists.

Edited by MasterJoseph on Nov 2nd 2018 at 11:24:58 AM

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Nov 4th 2018 at 1:17:23 PM

[up] That's Base-Breaking Character, replace.

YMMV.Fallout New Vegas

None of this explains why they are unintentionally hated. Marjorie and Alexander don't seem unintentional since you can kill them. Cut?

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Nov 4th 2018 at 1:17:42 AM

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Nov 4th 2018 at 1:26:31 PM

According to Septimus Heap Reality TV does not apply to No Real Life Examples, Please!.

Edited by RAlexa21th on Nov 4th 2018 at 1:28:33 AM

A lesson without pain is meaningless.
MasterJoseph Shipping FrolaytiaXQwenthur of Heavy Object. Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
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Nov 5th 2018 at 2:06:48 PM

Here's more I've found.

  • Mai-Otome: *Sergey: His relationships with Arika and Nina (especially Nina) have given him a reputation as a "creeper".

  • Mahoromatic:
    • This is Mahoromatic, NOT Minawamatic!
      • That's more of a cover for her real purpose. She's more of The Mole, considering the role she plays in the later parts of the second season. So more like Creator's Pet then.
      • Character development to the rescue!
    • Shikijo can be pretty irritating in a Squickier way, though YMMV on whether her single-minded antics were deconstruction.

  • Aldnoah.Zero: Primarily Kaizuka Inaho, with most fans favoring rival protagonist Slaine over him, especially in the Japanese fandom. Many viewers dislike him due to his frequent Deus ex Machina moments, which Slaine ironically gets later on as well. Inaho's general lack of emotion also doesn't endear him to a lot of fans.

Inaho is listed as a Base-Breaking Character on the YMMV.

  • This from TMNT2K3 was on the Western Animation Scrappy Page: Out of the four turtles, Leonardo is the only one who has a noticeable amount of hate particularly from the Raphael fanbase due to two infamous Leonardo scenes. The first was in the 2003 episode "The Ancient One" where Leo injures Splinter in a fit of rage. The fact that anger is often Raphael's downfall but helped Leonardo win a sparring match with his master rubbed many Raphael fans the wrong way. The second occasion is in the 2007 movie where upon finding out that Raphael and the Nightwatcher are both the same person, Leonardo tells him that he's not ready to go solo due to his lack of patience and bad temper. Pretty reasonable until Leonardo spits out the words: "More importantly, I'm better than you."
    • Leonardo's status may also be assisted slightly by his recurring portrayal as the Standardized Leader in the franchise. The other three turtles get their share of criticism, but unique personality and charisma at least helps garner a specific audience to fall back on, while Leonardo is often considered the typical straight-faced "boring" one of the group. The 2012 series seems to be trying to rectify this by giving Leonardo more quirky characteristics (one such example is being a fan of a series called "Space Heroes") and struggling with leading his brothers because he only recently started leading them.

I might not get to cutting them myself right away, so that duty is up for grabs if the decision that they should be cut is made.

Edited by MasterJoseph on Nov 5th 2018 at 2:30:37 AM

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
Nov 5th 2018 at 6:30:14 PM

Sergey I'm not sure about, but the example doesn't explain enough.

What the hell is wrong with that Mahoromatic example? It's one of the worst-written examples I've seen in a long while.

Shikijo's example is at best too weak to stay without a rewrite, but as it is it definitely should go.

Kaizuka Inaho I'm doubtful about. The example might be salvaged, but it seems like it's written from a "least favourite character" perspective, rather than "most hated".

I'm pretty sure Leonardo has plenty of fans.

Edited by AnotherDuck on Nov 5th 2018 at 3:30:50 PM

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MasterJoseph Shipping FrolaytiaXQwenthur of Heavy Object. Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
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Nov 6th 2018 at 12:10:52 PM

Found these while searching for woobie entries to purge:

CSI: NY:

  • Reed, with fans finding him to be a bland character.
  • Peyton, to Mac/Stella fans.

CSI: Kevin, "Hitting for the Cycle". How on earth did he get hired? He bites the dust at the end of the episode.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
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Nov 6th 2018 at 1:14:18 PM

[up]Not enough context, and what's there's too weak.

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Primis from Nsburg
Nov 7th 2018 at 9:47:30 AM

Found this on TheScrappy.Final Fantasy:

  • Final Fantasy XIII:
    • Noel and Serah in Final Fantasy XIII-2. Noel for getting bucketloads of screentime in the trailers, and Serah for referring to Snow (her fiance) as a "friend" in the trailer, and because fans see her as a replacement of the main protagonist, Lightning (the fact that Serah is, in fact, Lightning's sister; the fact that she seems to have the exact same paradigm roles (Commando, Ravager, and Medic); The fact that her mission is described as being exactly the same as Lightning's ("Save her sister"...though really, what could Serah do to help a supposed Warrior Goddess?); the fact that she seems to have a suspiciously similar weapon to Lightning (instead of a gunblade, it's a swordbow); etc...probably doesn't help very much. It also probably didn't help that they described Lightning as the main protagonist for the first six months and then suddenly show Serah for 98% of the trailers and announced that Lightning would only make brief playable appearances). Noel...well...he just has the misfortune of being described as the replacement for the original main cast.

I only recently got into FF and I'm not involved in the fandom, so maybe this is totally accurate, but I thought it was Lightning that people didn't like? This entry is saying that Serah is the one that people have a problem with, and they want Lightning back.

The entry also doesn't do a good job of explaining why Noel is considered a Scrappy. People don't like him because... he exists, I guess?

I know the FFXIII trilogy is... divisive, to put it lightly, but perhaps both sides of these are just Vocal Minorities, and most people are fine with all three characters? I know I am.

Edited by Primis on Nov 7th 2018 at 10:47:51 AM

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
Nov 7th 2018 at 11:41:54 AM

Broken Base might be true, but The Scrappy plainly isn't. There are lots of fans of all characters. Final Fantasy is just so huge, but the people with the most extreme opinions are the ones that are usually heard.

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Primis from Nsburg
Nov 7th 2018 at 1:54:28 PM

[up] The examples for Final Fantasy XV on that same page also give me pause. It says they're listed mostly for not having enough screentime, and some of them seem more like thinly-veiled complaining. One of them even says that most people forgot the character in question even existed; that doesn't sound like hatred to me.

I know XV is divisive like XIII, but not to the extent that XIII is, and it's mostly just because it's no longer Versus XIII, a game that nobody got to play and everybody's just assuming would've been flawless and amazing.

Edited by Primis on Nov 7th 2018 at 3:43:51 AM

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
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Nov 8th 2018 at 3:42:25 AM

Yeah, if it says people forgot about the character, I'd say it's actively a disqualifier for The Scrappy. Or Base-Breaking Character.

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MBG
Nov 8th 2018 at 8:23:36 AM

One for the Baldur's Gate subpage: Abdel Adrian's been listed for some time on the YMMV page, but not on its Scrappy page. It seems like basically a formality, I've never seen a positive appraisal of the guy, but I feel I oughta clear it here anyway.

The current listing on that page, for the record, is as follows:

  • Abdel Adrian from the novels. Bad enough that he be the main character of those novels, which are extremely firmly Fanon Discontinuity, but he's a big reason for why that's the case. Between being generic in concept (supposedly-good male human fighter), being a gigantic Jerkass and a Designated Hero, fighting like a thug, making everyone around him act like an idiot to make him look more impressive, and receiving a Deus ex Machina or two, the guy would probably be merely unlikeable if he were a protagonist on his own terms. But when the lore surrounding the game pushed him as the canon identity of the protagonist in a game whose entire deal is letting the player carve out their own identity, then you have a recipe for making the fanbase want a character scoured from existence. Put it this way: it's considered an exceptionally forgiving opinion to accept that the protagonist was named Abdel Adrian and that's the only thing they have in common with the novel's Adrian; this very page exclusively refers to them as "Charname."

Edited by MBG on Nov 8th 2018 at 8:24:38 AM

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
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Nov 8th 2018 at 9:55:35 AM

Yeah, from all I've heard, he's the single most hated character in the entire franchise. Possibly including the native DnD.

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Nov 10th 2018 at 7:20:14 PM

  • Attack on Titan: Gabi Braun from the nation of Marley is generally disliked by fans who consider her a generally unsympathetic Mary Sue who despite being a preteen is a fanatically devoted soldier of the nation that is responsible for Titanizing her own people, descendants of the long-lost Eldian nation who are sent to prey upon the people of the Walls, who are regarded as "Devils" by their Eldian counterparts in Marley. Gabi fully supports the genocidal campaign against them and the war waged against other nations through the Titans and generally takes great glee in killing, in stark contrast to her friends who despite being designated inheritors of the Titans are shown to be far more sympathetic in that they don't hold the same black and white views ingrained into them through Marleyan propaganda. And then Gabi embarks on a Roaring Rampage of Revenge when the "Devils" attack Marley in pursuit of Eren Yeager, during which she attacks the main squad and fatally shoots fan favorite Sasha, further amplifying the fandom's hate for her. It isn't helped by her companionship with fellow solider Falco, widely regarded as far more sympathetic and far more rational in his understanding of the Titan War than Gabi has been.

Besides being a Wall of Text, I see nothing suggesting the hate is unintentional. Any objections to cutting?

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Nov 10th 2018 at 7:24:23 AM

MinisterOfSinister From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye! from In the Hall of the Mountain King Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
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Nov 11th 2018 at 12:59:32 AM

Here's the Scrappy tree over at Criminal Case:

  • In the 2014 Criminal Case Wiki Awards, Miriam Young won the game's "Most Annoying Character" title (by a very huge margin) due to her cold and domineering personality, and her cruel treatment towards Amy (who, by contrast, was voted as the fan favorite). Not only that, several fans have gone as far as saying that she should be in jail instead of Duncan even though he's the Night Walker.
  • Albert Tesla also qualifies, for abandoning his son, thinking himself to be Pacific Bay's God, nearly destroying it and killing fan-favorite Frank Knight when he attempts to stop him. He's even voted the game's "Most Annoying Character" of 2015.
  • Sarah Bennet was voted as the "Most Annoying Character" on the 2016 Criminal Case Wiki Awards. Rightfully so since she nearly killed Jack, killed Dupont and Natasha (regardless of her affiliation with SOMBRA, she's still Marina's mom), and nearly caused World War III.
  • Horatio Rochester was voted as the "Most Annoying Character" on the 2017 Criminal Case Wiki Awards, owing to his attempt to fully control Concordia as a city-state and abolish press freedom. Moreover, unlike Justin Lawson, who was ultimately a Well-Intentioned Extremist who Jumped Off The Slippery Slope, Horatio has no redeeming qualities and is motivated by selfish and petty reasons.

Someone forgot to mention to the relevant editors that hating these characters is the Intended Audience Reaction. Therefore I'm deleting it. Just posting here as a formality.

[up]No objections. Cut away.

Edited by MinisterOfSinister on Nov 11th 2018 at 9:05:49 AM

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Nov 11th 2018 at 4:06:39 AM

I had to put this here as it's getting too big and I'd like to discuss which would make the cut or not. This is from Fate/Grand Order

    FGO Scrappy Entry 
  • The Scrappy: Several Servants didn't garner the kind of enamoring by the fans but loathing instead:
    • Boudica is unfortunately one of the Servants that fans have high expectations on, only to be betrayed really harshly by how she's presented in-game. The reasons are as follows:
      • She's supposed to be a strong warrior queen, but she came off REALLY weak, even for a 3-Star Servant.
      • Her biggest claim of fame was her hatred towards Rome and being a thorn to Nero's reign, although she had a very good reason for it. Unfortunately, her story is considered a huge waste for that, in her only story appearance in Septem, the plot demanded her to go side with Nero and later on during Solomon Singularity, made peace with her.. The story tried to handwave the first case with how she viewed the United Roman Empire worse, but it mostly didn't work in addition of the many problems the Septem singularity had and Boudica's historical claim of fame.
      • Additionally, her original design before Ascension is considered to be a level of Fetish Retardant and doesn't accurately show her as a warrior queen.
      • Because of all these, a lot felt like Boudica is an unsalvageable mess, that not even her Hidden Depths as insinuated in Garden of Order could help her and believed that she should've been an Avenger like in the manga.
    • Fionn mac Cumhaill is one of the most reviled Servants in the game, if not the least popular one in the game. His gameplay was massively lacking (and still is), as detailed in Tier-Induced Scrappy entry, but there's some other factors that don't exactly help him:
      • Lore-wise, he was responsible for the tragic fate of Diarmuid, which wouldn't have raised much of a stink on its own, but it's coupled with his attempts to be a ladies man (the primary motivator for him getting Diarmuid killed in the first place) and not fessing up to his jealous motivation and spending his screen time (both America Singularity and 2016 Summer Event) making insensitive, sometimes creepy, jokes about Diarmuid's issues with girls which tends to make him and the players feel really awkward (that said, he'll take responsibility for what he did to Diarmuid, but only if you raised his Bond to Level 5 to unlock his final Bond dialogue), which further torpedoed his popularity with players.
      • Being drawn to resemble Kayneth, Diarmuid's previous Master who didn't treat him well, with a different hairstyle also didn't do him any favors.
      • Meta-wise, his debut gacha also happened to feature Brynhild, who's not only an Ensemble Dark Horse but also serves as a pretty decent SSR Lancer for those who manage to roll her, so Fionn is often considered an especially infuriating spook for those gunning for her, not helped by Brynhild disappearing from any limited gacha banners for almost two years until Nero Fest 2017, and there's always a chance he will spook you in any time you are trying to summon an SSR Lancer (like Scathach in one of the Million Download Campaigns).
      • Take all those (including his gameplay prowess), and people got even more disappointed when they learned that in the actual myth, Fionn was actually a bonafide badass with tons of awesome feats and achievements, and yet none of them could be shown in-game, creating an irritating dissonance.
      • Needless to say, you'd be very hard pressed to find anybody who considers him to be a good servant in battle and in character, and fans like to take note that for someone whose surname translates to 'McCool', Fionn didn't live up to that coolness.
    • Rider of the Resistance (Christopher Columbus). While there were many bad boys in the Servant pool, this one ended up being considered utterly repulsive for many reasons:
      • While his Historical Villain Upgrade does make some sense and there's plenty of Evil-leaning Servants that have plenty of fans who Love to Hate them (such as Archer of Shinjuku), Columbus took his villain upgrade a touch too far, by being a two-faced, disturbingly unlikable character who's more into slavery than he has any right to be.
      • For comparison's sake, Blackbeard, despite being based on the infamous pirate of the same name and his alignment lining up as Chaotic Evil, has his villainous qualities used as the basis for sillier antics, especially in events; Columbus is a legitimate sailor and his negative traits are amped up to the point where he actually might be worse than his real world counterpart and when he showed his true colors, his actions were not played for comedy.
      • His final ascension art doesn't help matters, making him come off as a deranged harem lord (made even more horrific when you consider the above).
      • His Noble Phantasm art cut-in and sprite after several Ascensions had him display a terrifyingly wide Slasher Smile. For a lot, this amps up his creepiness factor and scares the hell out of players.
      • His Interlude really didn't help his stance, if anything, it just solidified what was said about 'two-faced, disturbingly unlikable character'. Columbus at first acted like he learned his lessons from Agartha and have been helpful and kind to the protagonist and Mash. But the moment the two turned their backs on him, he admitted to Moriarty that he's just faking kindness in order to get whatever it is he wanted. Maybe the protagonist won't realize, but the players sure would and took it as another point why they were repulsed by Columbus.
      • Thanks to these, Columbus is extremely unpopular amongst villainous Servants or even villainous characters in the game and most fans will usually just default to burning him for Mana Prisms than put up with him. It definitely doesn't help that he's a 3-Star Servant, which means that he has a decent chance of appearing in the Story Summon.note  His only 'redeeming' quality is that for a 3-Star Servant, he's actually one of the more decent ones to use, but that usually pales in comparison to his story/characterization negatives.
    • Stheno, the eldest of the Gorgon Sisters isn't exactly the kind of cool Servant the fans hoped.
      • She's a huge Jerkass (especially towards Medusa, an established fan-favorite). Her throwaway role in Septem also gives her no humanizing moments or traits to speak of.
      • Gameplay-wise, she's very bad for a 4-star, thanks to her useless set of skills, including an anti-Male NP whose primary effect is Instant-Kill, making it rather useless against Male Servants. For a while, she and Carmilla were the only gold Assassins, giving her a spook reputation that persists to this day.
      • She's outlcassed greatly Euryale in both personality and gameplay. While Euryale is also a Big Sister Bully towards Medusa, she also has an endearing relation with Asterios that started in Okeanos and has appeared many times in subsequent Singularities and events. She's also more endearing towards the protagonist instead of being a straight Jerkass towards them like Stheno is. Gameplay-wise, she has a better-equipped moveset for an anti-Male Servant, including an NP that actually does damage, and she's easier to level up thanks to her status as a Silver Servant, as opposed to Stheno being an underwhelming Gold Servant.
    • The boar piglets from the 2016 Summer event are widely hated due to being a collective pack of unfunny comic relief who ate screentime while contributing nothing. That the Reset Button Ending renders all the work done for them effectively meaningless dose not help.
    • Reverse Tristan in the Camelot chapter. The actual summonable Tristan is an okay character, but being marked to be different than the Reverse Tristan should be a sign. Like all the Knights of the Round Table in that chapter, they were supposed to be sympathetic Anti-Villain where they did all those atrocities because they really had no better alternatives against the threat they faced. Reverse Tristan has a reputation to be the most bloodthirsty of all of them, killing the most innocents and then dismissing them with 'How sad'. This kind of action tends to make people forget about how brokenhearted he was and then wanting to punch him AND the screen whenever he appears on screen.
    • Scheherazade is generally very unpopular because her art style is niche appeal at best, her gameplay is rock bottom, she debuts in what is agreed to be the worst chapter of 1.5 and she's just an all around unsympathetic character despite what the story seems to believe. She did gather some more favorable opinions in some event cameos, but she's still one of the least popular Servants around.

I am wondering which one should stay and which ones should go.


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