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#2501: Aug 15th 2018 at 6:11:16 AM

[up] If the games are intended for children, than what adults think of the characters is irrelevant.

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#2502: Aug 15th 2018 at 7:34:08 AM

The Viscountess sounds like a Hate Sink to me. Don't know the game, though.

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#2503: Aug 16th 2018 at 5:09:52 PM

From Phantasy Star Online 2: Dudu, dear freakin' lord, Dudu. For the uninitiated, he is in charge of grinding your weapons (making them stronger), which requires Grinders (which are not common) and a nominal fee. Early grinding attempts will almost always result in success, but the higher up you grind a weapon, the greater the chance for failure, which, at best, will simply result in a loss of money and Grinders, but will more often than not drop your weapon's level down, making it weaker and possibly reducing it to its base stats (and the rarer the weapon, the higher the grinding failure rate). For this reason, he is nigh-universally reviled by the players.

  • Even Sega recognizes how despised Dudu is: they released a room item in the form of a Dudu sandbag.
  • Play Black Nyack in the Casino. Time how long it takes before you want to punch Nyau's face in and rip his throat out.
  • Eggs. The moment EPISODE 4 was released, many players noticed Eggs taking up much of the existing drop pools and being unusually common compared to non-Egg dropsnote , which made players rather upset that the drop pools were being hogged by item types that are useless to anyone who isn't a Summoner.
  • English players hate Kouri. Mainly because she's completely braindead half the time. The fact that her Face–Heel Turn was revealed to be the effect of being Brainwashed and Crazy and she ultimately gets rescued was a sour point among English fans.

Dudu was listed on Love to Hate.

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#2504: Aug 16th 2018 at 5:26:14 PM

[up] This reads like players hate the grinding mechanic, and take out their frustration on the character in charge of doing it. It might be more of a Scrappy Mechanic.

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#2505: Aug 16th 2018 at 9:23:22 PM

Hi! I just found this entry on My Dad the Rock Star:

* The Scrappy: Willie. In a cartoon full of lovable, personality abundant rockstars, we follow the bland and whiny "I hate all this" son as he endlessly complains about it.

While it's true that some people really don't like Willie, this entry just looks to me like someone who doesn't like him complaining about him.

Edited by Kickisund on Aug 16th 2018 at 9:51:55 AM

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#2506: Aug 16th 2018 at 9:41:53 PM

[up][up][up]What about the other examples?

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#2507: Aug 17th 2018 at 4:52:33 AM

Doesn't actually say much about Nyau. Why do players want to rip his throat off?

Egg drops is a mechanic, not a character.

If English players hate Kouri, that certainly sounds like a certain other trope, doesn't it?

Edited by AnotherDuck on Aug 17th 2018 at 1:54:24 PM

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#2508: Aug 17th 2018 at 2:46:14 PM

This was on Nintendo: My Nintendo is seen as this to Club Nintendo. Due to the former having lackluster rewards compared to the latter, most notably the lack of physical merchandise and mostly discount offers instead of directly free downloadable games.

Any issue with cutting it?

Edited by MasterJoseph on Aug 17th 2018 at 2:46:09 AM

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#2510: Aug 17th 2018 at 3:57:18 PM

[up][up] That's not a character. Cut.

Edit: Nevermind, I saw it was already cut.

Edited by ADrago on Aug 17th 2018 at 6:59:58 AM

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#2511: Aug 18th 2018 at 2:35:49 PM

Right... Since nobody seems to mind, I will remove Willie from "My dad the rock star".

Primis Since: Nov, 2010
#2512: Aug 18th 2018 at 5:30:25 PM

The YMMV pages for the Avatar comics are a mess. Practically every example is either ranting about something or just a long-winded recap of events.

Are these Scrappy examples accurate?

From The Promise:

* Kori gets this from fans for her insistance on solving her problems with violence and assassination attempts on Zuko's life. That and the fact that she's a Karma Houdini. She tried to kill the freaking Fire Lord and yet she's free to organize a resistance in the colony.

This one's probably the most believable, as it's short and to the point, but I'm not really involved in the Avatar fandom enough to know if this is really a widespread opinion or not.

From The Search:

** Misu and Rafa. Many readers found these two to be a pointless waste of space who took time away from more important things.
** Some see Ikem as a Scrappy too, either due to being at the center of the (fake-out) twist that he's Zuko's true father, or that while he's not a bad or terrible person, there isn't much to him aside from being Noriko's husband.

These three characters were barely involved in anything, making it very difficult to believe that anyone has very strong opinions about them.

From Smoke and Shadow:

* Mai was already one of the biggest examples of Base-Breaking Character from the original series due to her lack of moral compass, never receiving any punishment for her war crimes or trying to make up for them like Ty Lee did, and emotionless girl gimmick. The comics have made her personality even more divisive and she has now officially moved into The Scrappy heap. She still has her fans but they are now reduced to being a Vocal Minority.
** Her acting as the Honey Trap towards Kei Lo takes her lack of empathy towards to a new level. While many are quick to argue that Mai had an unhealthy relationship with Zuko which led to their multiple break-ups, her one with Kei Lo is much worse. She pretends to be in love with him, treats his affections for her like a game and manipulates him like a tool to achieve her own agendas. Ty Lee calls her out on her manipulation of Kei Lo but she shrugs it off and he never finds out either way. In the end, Kei Lo only breaks it off with her after seeing her acting too intimate with Zuko.
** She is a Karma Houdini. She is constantly blaming others like Zuko or Azula for bad things she does or has done. Zuko asks for forgiveness and tries to become a better ruler, regardless of whether he is actually to blame but Mai never has to owe up for her mistakes. Mai lies to Zuko about her father trying to murder him, and when Zuko finds out, he has to apologize - not her!- Mai knows Zuko's family is in danger and they are suffering greatly by the ordeal her father has put them through but she refuses to tell Zuko about it to spite him.
** Mai is even more of a Jerkass than usual in the comic but is given the role of Designated Hero. She was morally ambiguous and cared about nothing but Zuko in the original series but here she is essentially the main character of the story which many fans thought was undeserved. She continues to act morally questionable but the plot forces the reader to view her actions as righteous. She makes fun of Zuko's friends and even cracks a joke about him dying. She acts like a major Hypocrite when she claims that Zuko is inconsiderate of other people's feelings even though he shows plenty of understanding towards others and Mai herself was notorious for never caring about anything. She doesn't like it when people do shady things but is fine with doing them herself. Everyone else in the comic seems to agree that she is somehow justified because the plot tells the audience that Mai has undergone off-screen Character Development and is now a better person, even if her actions speak otherwise.

The sheer length of this one alone makes me think it's just someone ranting, but I'm pretty sure it gets a few objective facts wrong too. Like exactly what war crimes did Mai commit? I don't recall her doing anything of the sort. And I'm pretty sure Kei Lo did find out that Mai was just using him, in fact I think she's the one that told him.

Edited by Primis on Aug 19th 2018 at 12:59:34 PM

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#2513: Aug 18th 2018 at 8:48:52 PM

[up] Yeah, the Mai one could definitely needs to be heavily trimmed down, at the very least.

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#2514: Aug 18th 2018 at 10:29:09 PM

I can't believe I'm actually suggesting this, but what of Viletta Nu from Code Geass?

  • Ougi's newlywed wife, Villetta, also shares in the hate for supposedly leading him astray in the first place and screwing Lelouch over in the most inopportune moments, culminating in her being trusted over Lelouch leading to the betrayal when she has no right to be, as an agent against him on behalf of Britannia (re:the geass and him being AWOL following the Black Rebellion, even though she was the one watching over Lelouch for geass, meaning she may have very well misled them, and keeping him under surveillance during that year, making her partly responsible for the latter, and also that she was the one who incapacitated Ohgi in the first place partly due to the latter's carelessness, and Ohgi still completely blames Lelouch for being treated as an expendable and abandoning him during that moment). And yet, she too shares in Ohgi's happy ending for her convenient team switch, even though she undergoes no redemptive character development nor actually does anything for the peace. Meanwhile, each of the main leads had already lost a love interest they both cared about, one of which started falling deeper into despair after being used by Villetta. It's not too strange to find fans who wished they didn't survive the waterfall incident.

From what I've seen, the main reason is her convincing Ohgi to betray Lelouch, but that event as a whole people blame Ohgi more for than Villetta. In addition, whereas Ohgi has events other than the betrayal that make him a Scrappy, it seems only this and the ending where everyone is happy mark her as one. If anything, she looks more along the lines of Base-Breaking Character than scrappy.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Aug 18th 2018 at 1:32:59 PM

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#2515: Aug 21st 2018 at 12:05:56 AM

Found this on Chicken Little: The entire population of Oakey Oaks. It's a pretty impressive feat for a whole town to be hated by viewers, but it's not as though they don't deserve the scorn. Not only do they go out of their way to publicly shame Chicken Little for a simple misunderstanding (even long after the point where any mockery would reasonably lose relevance and die out), they're never brought to task for doing so (unless you count one hell of a scare from the alien invasion), and they switch their perception of Chicken Little enough times to give a person whiplash. It definitely doesn't help that they're all highly unpleasant people in general.

I believe some up this can be transferred to their Unintentionally Unsympathetic entry here: After watching Chicken Little get bullied by the townfolk for most of the movie, there's a good chance you won't feel sorry for them getting vaporized by the aliens.

Edited by MasterJoseph on Aug 21st 2018 at 10:24:59 AM

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#2516: Aug 21st 2018 at 5:12:33 AM

Maybe, if you can show it's unintentional. Doesn't belong on The Scrappy, at least.

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#2517: Aug 21st 2018 at 4:25:00 PM

[up][up] That should be cut since groups can't be The Scrappy and people who hate the majority of the cast likely aren't fans of the movie.

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#2518: Aug 21st 2018 at 5:38:00 PM

This was on YMMV/Kampfer: Natsuru. His god-awful Clueless Chick-Magnet syndrome is so far at par with Ichika Orimura, if not worse.

Does this have context and does it sound like complaining?

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#2519: Aug 21st 2018 at 6:58:42 PM

It's complaining. That it also says "so far" indicates that it's written as a reaction based on something "current" rather than about the overall audience opinion of the character.

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#2520: Aug 22nd 2018 at 4:34:51 PM

None of that sounds unintentional. Cut?

Also, someone added Admiral Holdo to TheScrappy.Star Wars, which I removed because we decided she has too many supporters to count. Worth adding a disclaimer on that page?

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Aug 22nd 2018 at 4:53:29 AM

ADrago Since: Dec, 2015
#2521: Aug 22nd 2018 at 7:04:14 PM

[up] All three of the DuckTales examples sound more like Hate Sinks, so they should be cut. And since we decided Holdo isn't a scrappy, we should add an edit note telling people not to add her and cite this thread as a reason.

Edited by ADrago on Aug 22nd 2018 at 10:05:04 AM

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#2522: Aug 23rd 2018 at 4:50:26 AM

Actually, the second example sounds a bit more interesting. It looks like it's saying that the creators assumed the original Doofas was The Scrappy, so decided to turn him into a Hate Sink for the adaptation.

The question is whether or not the creators were right about the original Doofas because this could be a case of Creator's Pest + Hate Sink instead of The Scrappy (i.e., the creators hate the character so decide to make the fandom hate the character, too).

Edited by Wyldchyld on Aug 23rd 2018 at 12:51:38 PM

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#2523: Aug 23rd 2018 at 12:22:55 PM

Are these examples on Mario Party Valid?:

  • Many people absolutely loathe Peach. One of the reasons is because she appears extra lucky as an NPC regardless of difficulty, not to mention her tendency to buy luck-based items at the item shops.
  • CPU-controlled Donkey Kong in Mario Party 2, as he is programmed to always go after the Bowser Bomb unless a much better item (like the Magic Lamp) is present, which is a rarity.

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#2525: Aug 23rd 2018 at 7:41:44 PM

[up][up] Maybe move Peach to Tier Induced Scrappy, but I don't know if that can apply to CPU-controlled players. And CPU-controlled Donkey Kong always going for Bowser Bombs sounds more like a Scrappy Mechanic.

Edited by ADrago on Aug 23rd 2018 at 10:42:26 AM


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