I brought up Authors because I mainly work in the literature section, but the arguments I raised with respect to authors also probably apply in many cases to Comic Book artists (especially indie ones), Mangaka (again, especially indie ones), and Web Comic artists and the like, who are almost all indie by definition. (Though most of that last class usually just create one or two different comics, rather than whole huge collections of different works, like so many authors do.)
Directors probably fall somewhere in-between those two extremes. Like actors, they generally follow the script written by writers, which makes the writers the actual source of most of the tropes in their works, but directors in particular, have many tropes of their own, either that they specifically like to use in their works, or even some that are specific to their trade.
I think the problems with our current Creator Page Guidelines stem from the site's original focus on TV (it's right there in the name). Several elements of those guidelines are fairly sensible when discussing creators involved with TV or even film, but don't work so well when we're discussing authors or mangaka or the like.
Speaking words of fandom: let it squee, let it squee.According to current policy, in which namespace goes a person (Historical Domain Character) who has passed into legend (Public Domain Character), although some very few historical records survive?
This character/person has been used in multiple media, as either a main character or a reference/homage.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.It's under discussion here
, so I won't answer straightaway. Also, this topic
deals with namespace questions.
My question wasn't regarding the Media namespaces, so I thought it didn't belong there.
Edit: after reading the linked threads, Madruga's post here https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13754555540A59927200&page=1#4
makes it clear that current policy is for such people to exist as a Useful Notes page. Thank you for the help.
edited 27th Aug '13 7:18:25 AM by crazysamaritan
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

Over in the Overhauling Page Creation thread
, we've stumbled upon the fact that the Creators namespace tends to be used for several very different purposes:
Biographical information on actors and creators should, theoretically, go on a Useful Notes page - if we have it at all; people can go to That Other Wiki for that. But there are two other purposes Creator pages are good for: to cross-reference our pages on their works (like an index), and to trope their works that don't have their own pages.
The bulk of the discussion turned on whether these two different purposes should be placed on separate pages, with Fighteer saying they should. Most of the argument on this point was between Troacctid and Xtifr, Troacctid saying pages for tropes from works without pages should be placed in Literature (citing Music/, Wrestler/, and Let's Play/ as precedent), Xtifr claiming the sheer amount of effort needed to go through all our Author pages to move their tropes to a Literature page made it impractical, and myself drawing a distinction between musicians, wrestlers, and Let's Play'ers, all of which are in some sense works in themselves, and other kinds of creators.
After Xtifr pointed out that some creators may work in many different media, all of which would ostensibly get their own pages, I suggested treating the Creator namespace like a Franchise page, which would imply listing both works with pages and tropes for those without them on the same page. But if we're treating creators like work pages, that means we need to give them some sort of "description", which could result in re-introducing some biographical information, especially for authors with disparate, disconnected corpi. Xtifr then suggested
that real people would go in Useful Notes if they're primarily interesting to the wiki as Historical Domain Characters, meaning some people, like Shakespeare, could get both Creator/ and Useful Note/ pages since they're interesting to us for both purposes.
Anyone who got through that Wall of Text have any additional thoughts?