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#60676: Mar 24th 2020 at 7:02:17 PM

I actually want Steven to find a way to talk to Rose/Pink. Although my idea of what he would say to her is something that can't be said on a kids show.

deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#60677: Mar 24th 2020 at 7:06:22 PM

The question remains, though: what does Steven actually need?

I know the sentiment is "Steven needs therapy" but this seems like Steven needs a lot more than just that. Don't get me wrong, therapy is great but I feel like he'll just reject the it at this point.

Steven doesn't seem to be getting emotional gratification from anything. It's hard to open about his feelings and the one person he did open up to (his dad) just made things kind of worse. If anything, Steven has developed a lot of pride from consistently being the hero and it's prevented him from dealing with his feelings properly.

I wish the show would have had him go off with his sisters because they're probably the only ones who would have some idea of what he's going through.

Edited by deuteragonist on Mar 24th 2020 at 7:25:38 AM

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#60678: Mar 24th 2020 at 7:07:11 PM

With his degrading sanity he would probably straight up murder her with a smile on his face, and grind her gem so deeply that it becomes dust and unfixavle.

[up] He needs others to be there and support him the way he has them.

The problem, is that he's seen all the ugly sides of EVERYONE else and Connie rejected him. Their negative attributes and the fact that he as a kid had to help "fix" them has made it impossible for him to see them as capable of helping him. Only Jasper because for all her faults she embraces her negative side, so he felt he could actually talk to her on a better level till he shattered her.

And because he wanted to get married this instant he's shattered his emotional connection to Connie, a fact he knows isn't her fault, but he continues to see it as a permanent rejection.

Greg flatly refusing to see Steven needs more than he currently has due to his familial issues likewise burned one of his other remaining connections. And in a straight up Broken Pedestal way.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Mar 24th 2020 at 7:23:30 AM

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#60679: Mar 24th 2020 at 7:09:16 PM

> The question remains, though: what does Steven actually need?

Peace in all honesty,or salvation,both really

He needs someone to redeem him for a change

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#60680: Mar 24th 2020 at 7:39:11 PM

Or accept nihilism. Works nice enough for me.


On a related note, Steven had some valid complaints about his dad, but expecting Greg to assign a goal or purpose in life isn't one of them.

Even if Greg showed a tin ear in expressing it, he's right that Steven has to decide what Steven lives for.


Finale promo by Nicole Rodriguez.

Edited by thatother1dude on Mar 24th 2020 at 9:42:58 AM

VengefulBale Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight from Nowhere Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: It's complicated
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#60681: Mar 24th 2020 at 7:49:08 PM

Funny how Steven's been so critical of his mom's flaws... And yet he's doing everything she grew out of, but worse.

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deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#60682: Mar 24th 2020 at 7:54:45 PM

The problem, is that he's seen all the ugly sides of EVERYONE else and Connie rejected him. Their negative attributes and the fact that he as a kid had to help "fix" them has made it impossible for him to see them as capable of helping him. Only Jasper because for all her faults she embraces her negative side, so he felt he could actually talk to her on a better level till he shattered her.

And because he wanted to get married this instant he's shattered his emotional connection to Connie, a fact he knows isn't her fault, but he continues to see it as a permanent rejection.

Greg flatly refusing to see Steven needs more than he currently has due to his familial issues likewise burned one of his other remaining connections. And in a straight up Broken Pedestal way.

I mean, is anyone in his circle really able to help Steven with what he's feeling? Because it's...a lot. Judging from the previous episodes, there's more than one answer. He needs to feel needed because that's the identity he's developed. He's afraid of being alone because of his serious abandonment issues. He's exhausted from fixing everyone's problems. He's physically compromised because because of the PTSD and stress put on his body. He's angry because everyone in his life seems to have everything figured out and he can't get himself together.

I feel like the only one who could possibly help him is own mother, who Steven is becoming more and more like everyday.

[up][up]Geez. I hope this show has a happy ending.

Edited by deuteragonist on Mar 24th 2020 at 7:55:07 AM

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#60683: Mar 24th 2020 at 7:58:38 PM

[up] Worse, he is becoming more and more like Pink Diamond was when she hadn't gone through her own Character Development. Remember her development has been shown backwards to us... Now Steven is following her steps in reverse

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#60684: Mar 24th 2020 at 8:24:46 PM

Because it's...a lot. Judging from the previous episodes, there's more than one answer.
Which is why I think the climax will be very much Steven making a first step to recovery.

Sugar even mentioned a little while ago that she hopes to get across that the characters will all continue to grow and support each other even past what the show portrays of their lives.

Edited by thatother1dude on Mar 24th 2020 at 10:28:06 AM

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#60685: Mar 24th 2020 at 8:28:53 PM

[up]x3 If he had multiple people helping him with specific issues? yes. He needed a lot os support, but having Connie and Greg alone could have help Deal with one or two of them.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Mar 24th 2020 at 8:29:21 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#60686: Mar 25th 2020 at 5:08:23 AM

> Which is why I think the climax will be very much Steven making a first step to recovery.

Which as I've told multiple times is admitting you have a problem though he knows he has a problem he just doesn't know where to begin

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Snicka Since: Jun, 2011
#60687: Mar 25th 2020 at 7:55:21 AM

I think "Steven sadistically acting out White Diamond's fear" is a misinterpretation of the scene. I think the fear is genuine - it's Steven's fear of what he, himself, has become.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#60688: Mar 25th 2020 at 4:17:12 PM

he is becoming more and more like Pink Diamond was when she hadn't gone through her own Character Development.
Steven is clearly afraid he's becoming like his mother/a Diamond in a terms of hurting other people, but they're almost opposites in personality. Pink didn't pay attention to how her actions affected others. Steven is isolating himself from everyone.

I feel like the only one who could possibly help him is own mother
How? Rose's advice is not that useful.

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#60689: Mar 25th 2020 at 6:08:40 PM

Its pretty funny when you think about it; he spent the entire series being told by everyone he has to be like his Mom, and in the worst case scenario, actually become his Mom. And when he finally affirms that he's not his Mom, but his own person, now he's having a crisis about who exactly is he as a person.

But yea; Steven needs the same thing that he gave to everyone else, patience and emotional support. Unfortunately, nobody can really provide that at the moment.

[up] Eh, I can see it; Pink started off pretty selfish and became more empathetic over time. Steven started off pretty empathetic, but is slowly becoming more selfish.

Honestly, I think Steven needs to understand that he doesn't owe anybody anything; yes, he's done a lot for people, but he doesn't have to define his identity that way and he should be able to pursue what he wants. He needs to learn what he values most and pursue it.

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alanh Since: May, 2010
#60690: Mar 25th 2020 at 7:06:16 PM

For those hoping there will be an official comic book continuation of SU, Rebecca Sugar has slammed the door on that: https://twitter.com/rebeccasugar/status/1242949221478584321

There's a rumor that Steven Universe will continue as comics, & that I will be involved in upcoming SU comics - this is NOT true! If any comic claims to be a canon continuation of the SU story/world, please know that it was not developed or approved by the show team or by me.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#60691: Mar 25th 2020 at 7:23:21 PM

KaBoom is still publishing Steven Universe comics (though I can't tell if their "main" one is still going), but besides the issue of canon, all the announced ones are still set before the movie.

Edited by thatother1dude on Mar 25th 2020 at 10:00:28 AM

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#60692: Mar 26th 2020 at 4:28:43 AM

Oomph,she really means its over when its over

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#60693: Mar 26th 2020 at 4:31:30 AM

I wonder if the chest will ever be addressed, of if they'll just reveal what was in it in a comic.

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#60694: Mar 26th 2020 at 4:33:44 AM

Its a literal mystery box,god damn it jj

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galienus Since: Sep, 2019
#60695: Mar 26th 2020 at 4:47:48 AM

i recently saw a video on yt that explained i think convincingly why mystery boxes are bad. I hope they they wont let it stay a mystery.

Trooper924 from the Spawn Nebula Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Hiding
#60696: Mar 26th 2020 at 5:06:49 AM

I wonder if the chest was ever meant to be anything important. I get the feeling that the animators just threw it in with Rose's belongings to fill in some space and when the fans latched onto it, the writers started making jokes about it.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#60697: Mar 26th 2020 at 6:59:58 AM

I had this weird idea that Steven is going to raise an army of cacti to siege Beach City,they end up having a battle with the Water melon Stevens..

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galienus Since: Sep, 2019
#60698: Mar 26th 2020 at 7:45:05 AM

[up][up] I think in a SU podcast it was admitted that it was placed there without themselves knowing its content.

I dont have aproblem when there is literally nothing in there. But having it now open and not revealing its contents at all is unnecessarily mean. I dont know why they thought they had to do it this way.

I personally had the theory that its now open because it turned out it wasnt locked and steven just assumed it was. On the actual contents i stopped speculating about it after i heard the above mentioned confession and now just want to know for the sake of it.

deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#60700: Mar 26th 2020 at 12:07:24 PM

Steven is clearly afraid he's becoming like his mother/a Diamond in a terms of hurting other people, but they're almost opposites in personality. Pink didn't pay attention to how her actions affected others. Steven is isolating himself from everyone.

Those two actually aren't mutually exclusive. Steven's isolation is arguably another form of selfishness and an example of his own inflated self-importance. Steven doesn't trust the people in his life to help him, so he doesn't include them in his struggle- just like Rose. Yes part of it is because he wants to protect them from himself, but it's also because he (somewhat arrogantly) thinks that he's so broken that they can't save him (also like Rose).

He's forcing them not to follow him, he's venting about them behind their backs, and he's sabotaging his relationship with them. Basically making decisions for everyone else without their knowledge (just like Rose).

Overall, Steven is a very caring person, but he's also being pretty indulgent about what he's going through. He's refusing help and that is probably one of the most selfish things he can do. Holding in all his repressed emotions, lashing out the people who love him, running away from his relationships, and spiraling out of control is irresponsibly hurting people directly and indirectly (just like Pink Diamond).

How? Rose's advice is not that useful.
Not advice necessarily. Although, I do disagree as the advice she gave to Garnet all those years ago was pretty great (even if it did kind of backfire).

I meant meeting her, the physical embodiment of all of his pain, would probably be very cathartic for him.

The only downside is that it's unrealistic and would probably be controversial.

Edited by deuteragonist on Mar 26th 2020 at 12:09:00 PM


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