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#60551: Mar 22nd 2020 at 8:03:44 AM

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#60552: Mar 22nd 2020 at 8:05:17 AM

I'm pretty sure Pink Diamond probably still has higher kill count somehow

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VengefulBale Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight from Nowhere Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: It's complicated
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#60553: Mar 22nd 2020 at 8:10:19 AM

[up] Indirectly or directly?

Because she hardly counts as a killer even if you take the war (Which she didn't want to start and that was started by her abusers) since she would always poof and bubble gems.

Hell, her only "shattering" was a smokescreen meant to get the Diamonds to leave Earth alone and never come back

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#60554: Mar 22nd 2020 at 8:15:44 AM

> (Which she didn't want to start and that was started by her abusers)

The war was started by Rose technically,her abusers ended it with the Diamond attack though

So I would way as Pink it's hard to say maybe its both,but as Rose she was directly responsible for being the catalyst that started the war

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#60555: Mar 22nd 2020 at 8:18:39 AM

[up] Still doesn't makes her 100% responsible for the gems getting shattered. She showed mercy even to her enemies. The Diamonds literally have no fucks even about their own troops and were the ones pulling the trigger.

That's deflecting fault at it's finest. Maybe Pink had a hand in starting the mess, but she didn't kill anyone nor intended to. Not even accidentally like Steven did.

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VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#60556: Mar 22nd 2020 at 8:26:06 AM

Love how everyone ignoring the fact of WHY Pink started the war in the first place. Like the whole "annihilating all organic life across the galaxy, with humanity as simply latest attempted genocide" thing isn't important.

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#60557: Mar 22nd 2020 at 8:29:29 AM

By everyone you mean <—- This guy

I was'nt ignoring or condemning,her cause was just even if a lot of Gems did die as a result,someone did say that Steven now had a higher kill count then his mother,which is a little silly to me at least

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VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#60558: Mar 22nd 2020 at 8:46:52 AM

[up]By everyone ignoring this fact, i mean that no one ever brought it up here as a dispute to anything with that question about bodycount.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#60559: Mar 22nd 2020 at 9:58:49 AM

The point of the original post was pointing out the irony of Steven and Rose's actions when assessed by that single, numerical metric.

Anyway, Pink Diamond must have caused the deaths of thousands of humans by having Earth even partially colonized. Huge landmasses were torn up and sunk into the ocean, possibly faster than people could evacuate them.

In fact, there's a good chance Earth was the only Gem-colonized planet that had evolved intelligent life. In which case, Pink killed more non-Gem sapient beings than all the other Diamonds put together.

Edited by thatother1dude on Mar 22nd 2020 at 12:13:13 PM

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#60560: Mar 22nd 2020 at 10:05:48 AM

That's quite a Draco in Leather Pants treatment of the Diamonds here, especially considering that THEY were the ones, who sended her there and tried to force her to obliterate ALL organic life on Earth (this is IF humans actually are the only non Gem intellegent life in the universe).

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#60561: Mar 22nd 2020 at 10:27:46 AM

It makes no sense to have a standing army if they've never encountered something worth fighting before. Yeah there's maintaining order, but there's too many fighting gems for that to be the only reason.

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#60562: Mar 22nd 2020 at 10:28:27 AM

[up][up]That's a Draco in Leather Pants treatment of Pink, considering she begged them to give her a colony and never gave a shit about Earth's ecosystem until she went down to see it first-hand.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Mar 22nd 2020 at 10:31:29 AM

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#60563: Mar 22nd 2020 at 10:30:38 AM

[up] I mean, that's not really evil if you look at her life. That was her doing what she was groomed and raised to do. The fact that she alone decided to stop her colonization because of her empathy is really something... Considering she was never even raised with empathy herself.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#60564: Mar 22nd 2020 at 10:36:00 AM

That's quite a Draco in Leather Pants treatment of the Diamonds here
You're still missing the point entirely.

I'm saying Pink may have killed more of one category of people than the other Diamonds by complete coincidence, not any intention of either party. My point is that only considering the result of someone's actions, not their intent and what they could reasonable expect, is a bunch of morally-bankrupt horseshit.

This is IF humans actually are the only non Gem intellegent life in the universe
I said there's a good chance they're the only intelligent life on a gem-colonized planet. Homeworld's number of colonies seems to be in the hundreds or maybe thousands, even if they're in more than one galaxy.

With Earth as an example, there's probably a very narrow time frame in a planet's history of life where intelligent beings live entirely on that planet. So it's plausible that the vast majority of life-containing planets lack intelligent life at any given time.

All of which is still just a casual observation irrelevant to actually assessing any character because it's based on coincidence, not intent.

It makes no sense to have a standing army if they've never encountered something worth fighting before.
Well who says they're for fighting colony natives? If there are aliens that pose anything resembling a threat to gems, they probably expanded well past their homeworld(s) by first contact.

(That and non-intelligent life could be threatening on an individual level. An average Sapphire or a Pearl probably wouldn't want to fight something like a rhinoceros or a shark.)

Edited by thatother1dude on Mar 22nd 2020 at 12:56:24 PM

Snicka Since: Jun, 2011
#60565: Mar 22nd 2020 at 12:50:02 PM

I recall someone from the Crewniverse stating somewhere that Earth, in fact, was the only planet the Gems colonized that had sapient life, but I can't find the source.

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#60566: Mar 22nd 2020 at 12:50:58 PM

What a convenient-ass coverup. :/

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#60567: Mar 22nd 2020 at 12:53:15 PM

Yeah... Sounds like waaay too much of an excuse to downplay the Diamonds' actions.

I'm still wondering why Homeworld would even build Navy Fleets if the very worst enemy they faced were non-sapient alien animals.

Edited by VengefulBale on Mar 22nd 2020 at 1:54:04 PM

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#60568: Mar 22nd 2020 at 12:55:41 PM

For what purpose would warrior gems even exist if nothing in the universe was any threat to them whatsoever?

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#60569: Mar 22nd 2020 at 1:07:18 PM

I recall someone from the Crewniverse stating somewhere that Earth, in fact, was the only planet the Gems colonized that had sapient life, but I can't find the source.
I've never heard of any of them saying anything like that.

I'm still wondering why Homeworld would even build Navy Fleets if the very worst enemy they faced were non-sapient alien animals.
For what purpose would warrior gems even exist if nothing in the universe was any threat to them whatsoever?
Someone just asked this question six/seven posts earlier, and I just gave two possible answers.

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#60570: Mar 22nd 2020 at 1:14:12 PM

Well, this Friday is the end of the series, with Homeworld Bound-Everything's Fine-I Am My Monster-The Future airing all that day.

I wonder if any of them will get a 5. (The only 5's are: Mirror Gem, A Single Pale Rose, and Change Your Mind)

Edited by Smasher on Mar 22nd 2020 at 4:15:21 AM

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#60571: Mar 22nd 2020 at 1:30:37 PM

Speaking of other sapient aliens, if the show ends with a "Where Are They Now?" Epilogue, I've got my fingers crossed for Lars in that space bar from Pug Davis, but it's shown from the opposite angle, showing Padparascha was obscured by the countertop.

Snicka Since: Jun, 2011
#60572: Mar 22nd 2020 at 1:40:17 PM

Now that I try to think back, the "humans are the only non-gem sapient life" idea came from a fan interpretation of a plot summary saying "Pink Diamond was surprised to find sapient organic life on Earth" - which can be interpreted in many ways.

galienus Since: Sep, 2019
#60573: Mar 22nd 2020 at 2:20:25 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up][up]A lot in this show doesnt really has a convincing watsonian reason for why they are the way they are.

I guess its because the crewniverse doesnt really care about this kind of things and is far more focused on showing their character related stuff. I mean we never for example get explained why S Us earth looks different from ours. Being the result of gem colonization is just fan speculation.

Regarding the existence of warrior gems: Is nobody considering that gems are simply programmed to make them and never question if it even makes sense to do it?

Edited by galienus on Mar 22nd 2020 at 2:21:09 AM

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#60574: Mar 22nd 2020 at 2:38:38 PM

I mean we never for example get explained why SUs earth looks different from ours. Being the result of gem colonization is just fan speculation.
They've pretty openly stated gems have affected history, if not in observably casual way, though the most direct comment I can recall about the geography is a(n eventually) deleted post by Joe Johnston saying that gems caused some of it but it was also different to begin with.

Regardless, "It Could Have Been Great" didn't just how Homeworld terraforms planets, the current map had a gem site in the dead center of sea covering Siberia. It's barely "speculation" to call them responsible for that.

galienus Since: Sep, 2019
#60575: Mar 22nd 2020 at 3:26:23 PM

[up]Officially there is none. A deleted post and a very vaque statement are not really what i would call an official statement. Its even really hard to come to your conclusion with this info. Because first if its deleted its not only hard to find its might as well not count since it is supposed to be no longer available and second the context of that quote about gem influences make it more sound more about their influence on human culture and it was already critized as not being visible at all in the show.

Finally your statement about the glaxy warp doesnt really hold up because there is enough unclarity left to say it could be that the gems put it their because it was ideal place for it or it could be that its the only place besides the kindergardens to be more terraformed. In "it could have been great" the simulation actually never shows that the geographical differences are caused by gem colonization making your statement about it being barely a speculation too much of a reach.

This kind of logic is the reason why there are still viewers who think that pearl orignally belonged to WD.

My guess why it is different is that they wanted to visually stand out more and found it would be cool if it looks different. Wouldnt be the first time that they only focus on the doylist angle and treat the watsonian angle more like an afterthought.

Edited by galienus on Mar 22nd 2020 at 3:32:17 AM


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