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Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#60501: Mar 20th 2020 at 6:42:47 PM

[up] No.

I'm half-expecting him to shatter the warp once he arrives just to make sure they don't follow him.

Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Mar 20th 2020 at 9:44:39 AM

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Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#60502: Mar 20th 2020 at 6:51:58 PM

So Steven was definitely losing his mind near the end of that fight with Jasper considering he just started laughing at out of nowhere before shattering her. Not to mention the diamond eyes.

deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#60503: Mar 20th 2020 at 6:57:28 PM

But damn. At this point the show has sabotaged Steven's relationship with absoloutly everyone in his life.

A protagonist with mommy issues and childhoood trauma sabotaging his relationships in his older life due to his depression and self-hatred? This is sounding kind of familiar...

Edited by deuteragonist on Mar 20th 2020 at 7:00:21 AM

VengefulBale Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight from Nowhere Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: It's complicated
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#60504: Mar 20th 2020 at 7:21:16 PM

[up] I KNEW IT. STEVEN IS TURNING INTO BOJACK MORE AND MORE EVERY DAY. Goddamn, all he needs is to get a Herb and his journey to self-destructiveness will be complete.

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#60505: Mar 20th 2020 at 7:30:00 PM

And so the downward spiral continues.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#60507: Mar 20th 2020 at 7:38:25 PM

Florida Island? Between that and the fact that most of Russia seems to be underwater I'm surprised Korea is still Korea.

deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#60508: Mar 20th 2020 at 7:45:26 PM

[up]4x Even though it's a joke, it is still an interesting comparison.

Steven and Bojack do have quite a bit in common. I don't think Steven would ever let things get as bad as Bojack let things get with Herb, though. His emotional maturity, even at its worst, is far more developed than BJ's and he's not nearly as selfish. Hell, Steven probably couldn't even deal with the things Bojack Horseman dealt with.

In fact, Steven could probably completely fix Bojack's life in a week. Helping Bojack through all his crap would probably be an emotional theme park for him.

Edited by deuteragonist on Mar 20th 2020 at 7:46:04 AM

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#60509: Mar 20th 2020 at 7:46:55 PM

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
VengefulBale Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight from Nowhere Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: It's complicated
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#60510: Mar 20th 2020 at 7:48:07 PM

[up][up] Not sure about that... He could help him through most of his issues, btu Bojack in the show took 6 whole seasons to outgrow his most notorious flaws and even then he still showed signs of having attention whote tendencies and other flaws in the finale.

It's gonna take more than a talk from the nicest being in the Universe for Bojack to truly change. That said, Steven would probably be a better therapist than anyone else.

Edited by VengefulBale on Mar 20th 2020 at 8:48:49 AM

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AngelLightStar An Agent of Love from Florida Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Omelette du fromage~
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#60511: Mar 20th 2020 at 8:20:23 PM

The episode was quite balanced and one of the better cases where the writing for Future has been a bit more on par with previous seasons ( I get that Future has limited time, but occasionally the writing in Future feels a bit more like it's using Steven as an audience proxy to tell off at times)

Greg felt restricted by a fairly regimental parental life where he was expected to achieve and work towards what his folks maybe considered a "real job" - Steven feels his more free-spirited open parenting made him miss out on being given a childhood with security and structure. Both are not really wrong for feeling the way they do.

I know people who had Greg's childhood, they excelled in school naturally and adults around them thought they would do great things, the expectation to achieve messed with them pretty bad - and as adults they basically had to come to terms with the fact those expectations were not *their* desires and expectations for life.

At the same time, I've heard of kids who have had free-spirit parents who rebelled purely because they were hoping they would eventually find the boundary that would make them "snap" out of that "no worries man" attitude and finally put their foot down. Or resent that they missed the social opportunities of school vs homeschooling or learn that they missed out on getting proper help for certain health issues (inc vaccinations) because their parents didn't have any faith in healthcare.

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deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#60512: Mar 20th 2020 at 8:43:55 PM

[up][up]Haha I was being a bit hyperbolic. I honestly wouldn't want Steven anywhere near Bojack Horseman, especially at his age. Steven may have faced galactic dictators, colonizers, and killers but I feel like Bojack Horseman would hurt Steven in a very personal way. Not because he's a villain, but because he's a miserable, selfish adult alcoholic struggling with addiction who hurts people that get close to him and enables self-destructive behavior. He would be a terrible influence on Steven.

[up]Yeah, I don't think either one of them are wrong but I don't think either of them are handling it well. Greg being a free spirit negatively affected Steven. If anything, Greg probably could have stopped a lot of the traumatic experiences in Steven's life (even if they were key to his development as savior of the galaxy). Greg mentions many times that he is uncomfortable with Steven's missions and the danger that Steven was consistently put in, but he never really does anything about it. Pearl and Garnet at least grounded and disciplined Steven, while Amethyst provided that Cool Big Sis support for him. I'm not saying that Greg was absent because he obviously wasn't, but Greg putting his foot down more during Steven's childhood (regardless of the Gems being intergalactic warriors) probably would have alleviated some of what he's feeling right now.

Steven, on the other hand, is a teenager with a lot of baggage. It's much easier to handwave his built up feelings for how he was raised because there's still a lot he's internalizing. Steven should definitely be held responsible for his actions, but it's kind of hard not to side with the kid who saved the entire galaxy and spent much of younger adolescent years fixing everyone else's problems, specifically the adults in his life. And it's crazy when you realize that Steven is a really good kid, despite all of the trauma he has experienced.

So Greg, despite being well-meaning and a loving father, is partly responsible for what Steven's going through right now. I mean, Steven grew up in the back of his van God's sake.

Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#60513: Mar 20th 2020 at 9:03:42 PM

The end of "Mr. Universe" actually made me appreciate one of the changes this AU fic I've been reading made even more, since they built the house after Rose gave birth and had Greg move in with them, skipping living in a van entirely.

Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Mar 20th 2020 at 12:04:17 PM

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#60514: Mar 20th 2020 at 9:09:51 PM

Speaking of alternate timelines, it's funny how this episode suggests Greg didn't raise Steven very differently than Rose would have if she could.

deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#60515: Mar 20th 2020 at 9:53:07 PM

If anything, this episode highlights that they were kindred spirits.

GamerSlyRatchet Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#60516: Mar 21st 2020 at 12:12:13 AM

"Fragments" reminded me of a lot of Ringing Bell. Jasper even had a horned helmet.

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#60517: Mar 21st 2020 at 12:15:44 AM

Finally caught up with the past few episodes and.....

WELL, SHIT.

Edited by dmysta3000 on Mar 21st 2020 at 3:16:06 PM

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Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#60518: Mar 21st 2020 at 12:17:53 AM

[up] Yes, exactly.

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#60519: Mar 21st 2020 at 12:22:09 AM

And now weve got plenty of folks uncomfortable by how hot Steven is in Fragments.

It's the kissing bicep that really sells it for them

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dmysta3000 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#60520: Mar 21st 2020 at 12:24:38 AM

I mean part of me thinks Jasper getting revived was a bit of a cop out but it was absolutely worth it for the following scene

I don’t think I’m ready for the finale

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Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#60521: Mar 21st 2020 at 12:30:39 AM

[up] Honestly I'm more confused why the back of Jasper's gem was busted, since Steven smashed her straight in the face.

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#60522: Mar 21st 2020 at 3:58:46 AM

He was using spikes, I am pretty sure it completely punched through her gem.

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#60523: Mar 21st 2020 at 6:00:55 AM

Greg's parents seemed more "abusive" than simply controlling. Connie has strict parents, but the way Greg acted was a lot more extreme than the way she acted. Greg had an ingrained routine to sneaking in and out of his bedroom window, he had to hide the things he loved in the air duct, they cut his hair really short as a punishment right before high school graduation. Greg left without even bringing his CD with him, and his parents didn't even read the letters he sent to them like they cut ties with him altogether.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Mar 21st 2020 at 6:01:17 AM

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#60525: Mar 21st 2020 at 7:33:02 AM

You know the disturbing part about Mr. Universe is that it mirrors a lot of real life families I see just going to work everyday (I work in a school fyi).

The parents are usually raised by super strict parents of their own that limited their creative freedom growing up, and now have a much more hands off parenting style and aren't really involved in their kid's life. As a result, the kid grows up basically with more freedom than they really need at that age and becomes a lot more dysfunctional. It's eerily similar.

Fortunately, Steven is an inherently good person, so he's not as bad as some of the kids I see. But it does illustrate why some structure is needed by the parents towards their children. Certainly not to the extent of controlling their entire life and denying them any freedom, but give them too much freedom and they'll just run wild and then wonder why their parents didn't reign them in.

Its a real gray area when it comes to parenting, and I don't think Steven or Greg are inherently to blame. Greg might have certainly been too hands off with parenting, but Steven wouldn't be who he is today without it, for better or worse. Steven isn't a kid any more, so he can't just blame Greg for everything that's happening to him.

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