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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#60426: Mar 14th 2020 at 9:29:20 PM

Part of me would say that it might have something to do with him being worried about people freaking out about Steven being half-alien... but one of the problems with the series is that no one really ever seems to question anything about the Gems at any given time, except when they randomly do.

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DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#60427: Mar 14th 2020 at 9:47:25 PM

'I STILL think your argument doesnt make sense and it faults Greg for not being omniscient.'

I mean, it doesnt take omniscience to be corncerned that these dangerous missions may have a permanent effect on you kids that may not be obvious nor does it take omniscience to at least aptempt to get Steven checked out when Connies mom was first introduced or shortly afterwards.

Edited by DeanCole on Mar 14th 2020 at 9:53:17 AM

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#60428: Mar 14th 2020 at 9:48:27 PM

[up][up] I've always just assumed that to be because we barely ever see anyone not from Beach City, who have lived with the Gems for most if not all of their lives and are just kinda used to it.

People outside Beach City seeing these things don't really have much of an excuse though.

Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Mar 14th 2020 at 12:52:54 PM

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#60429: Mar 14th 2020 at 9:54:50 PM

Conclusions made on characters based around hindsight and them knowing things they shouldn't are always fun to read.

Stephen got his gem pulled out and was dropped 30 feet...

It's a cartoon so his pain doesn't matter.


Stephen got his gem pulled out and was dropped 30 feet...and was realistically injured.

Guess Greg is a bad dad because he didn't actively stop him which he totally would've been able to do and should've just know that would happen.

It shouldn't matter either way...

Edited by randomness4 on Mar 14th 2020 at 9:58:34 AM

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DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#60430: Mar 14th 2020 at 10:13:05 PM

Edit:double post. sorry

Edited by DeanCole on Mar 14th 2020 at 10:18:56 AM

DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#60431: Mar 14th 2020 at 10:16:48 PM

The difference they choose to add actual real life effects to what previously wacky comedy antics.

To explain,you can watch bugs bunny drop a avil on dafty duck head and laugh at that because no one's really getting hurt.Darty'll will just get up and walk it off.But if the avil crushes darfty Ducks head and kills him ,its becomes alots less funny.

Them not knowing is not the problem. Them seemly making no attempt to made sure is my issue

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#60432: Mar 14th 2020 at 10:18:33 PM

The reason the discrepancy exists is because this is a Cerebus Retcon.

It is absolutely true that it doesn’t take omniscience to conclude “by allowing a child to enter dangerous situations, I am putting them at risk of injury or trauma,” and that the inability to predict the exact things that could happen isn’t relevant to that conclusion.

But at the same time, the reason that nobody concluded that is because before this point, the show never entertained the idea that Steven was at risk of injury, and while he did have trauma it was always social anxiety from having to parent his parents, not PTSD. Previously, the universe (no pun intended) ran on rules that made it so having such affects weren’t a thing, hence the characters not previously acting as though it were a thing.

There’s a lot of that in Beach City, and it’s the writers choice to pick and choose things to suddenly take seriously. Finding a Watsonian excuse isn’t going to help, because this was a Doylist issue.

one of the problems with the series is that no one really ever seems to question anything about the Gems at any given time, except when they randomly do.

This.

It isn’t that this was always there and Greg and the Gems were being even more irresponsible than usual by letting it persist, it’s that the problem literally didn’t exist until the moment it did.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 14th 2020 at 10:26:15 AM

DeanCole Since: Jun, 2015
#60433: Mar 14th 2020 at 10:29:03 PM

Exactly, said retcon is going to have a effect on how people see previous actions taken ( or in this case not taken) in the story.

This is why on every video on Rose/Pink you're going to find a 'Spinel is waiting' comment.Her actions look worse with the addition Spinel was waiting for her regardless of whether or not Spinel was a character that was just made of the movie

Edited by DeanCole on Mar 14th 2020 at 10:39:07 AM

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#60434: Mar 14th 2020 at 10:40:57 PM

Nobody really would if you don't bring it up.

It's just the idea that he's injured in a less abstract way somehow caused this discussion.

The person who thought of this probably doesn't find it more interesting that he's break bones, they just think that makes sense given the situation.

It doesn't make sense, because he can still crawl.

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#60435: Mar 14th 2020 at 10:50:45 PM

I mean I imagine the reason the Gems and Greg thought Steven could take is because they thought he had the same Super-Toughness that the full Gems did. This X-Ray is the first evidence they've had otherwise.

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#60436: Mar 14th 2020 at 11:10:41 PM

Your Spinel thing falls apart the second you realize that Pink Diamond knew she left Spinel to rot. Steven showed NO signs of being hurt. If Greg knew about it he would have acted accordingly but with no signs why would he?

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Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#60437: Mar 14th 2020 at 11:11:59 PM

Steven was doomed to be put in dangerous situations in general, he's the only half-human half-diamond in existence. Not to mention his mom was Pink Diamond and Rose Quartz.

I don't really put the fault on Greg really. This is a purely unique situation considering what Steven is.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#60438: Mar 15th 2020 at 12:19:01 AM

Spinel's existence also isn't a retcon...it doesn't contradict anything.

Oh I see.

Retcon:

Not Retroactive Continuity

But Retroactive Contradiction

Edited by randomness4 on Mar 15th 2020 at 2:34:16 AM

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#60439: Mar 15th 2020 at 12:55:36 AM

Steven becoming an active Crystal Gem when he did is also why Earth was not broken to pieces, so it’s not as if holding off would have been harmless.

Part of me would say that it might have something to do with him being worried about people freaking out about Steven being half-alien
We may never get a proper explanation, but I'm sure the doctor's reaction was not Greg's concern. Getting the idea past Garnet, Amethyst, and Pearl was more likely to be an issue ("You really scared [that babysitter] when you threw that jungle gym at her.")

but one of the problems with the series is that no one really ever seems to question anything about the Gems at any given time, except when they randomly do.
They don't ever take major interest in the supernatural, they'll just notice when the mundane effects are right in their face at the moment. Like how Andy cared about the gems being aliens because that meant they were in the country illegal.

That's not realistic either (I'd argue it wasn't the point for it to be), but it has been pretty consistent.

while he did have trauma it was always social anxiety from having to parent his parents, not PTSD.
"Full Disclosure" and "Mindful Education" were both about Steven responding to conflict from his enemies, not his family. Both concluded with Steven relying on his loved ones to get through it.

The idea "Growing Pains" introduced is that Steven will still need that kind of emotional support even when he's not in existential danger anymore. Even the bones thing was more of a cosmetic symptom than an actual problem.

Edited by thatother1dude on Mar 15th 2020 at 3:50:24 AM

galienus Since: Sep, 2019
#60440: Mar 15th 2020 at 2:49:28 AM

[up][up]No Retcon really means retroactive continuity.

But most people only use this term like it means retroactice contradiction.

Its like when complaining that something is only happening because plot demands it. Everything in a story is happening because of plot. The writer just failed in this case to distract the reader from realizing this.

When people complain about retcons the problem is that the writer failed to implement it properly and/or make it look like an improvement to before.

Edited by galienus on Mar 15th 2020 at 2:52:29 AM

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#60441: Mar 15th 2020 at 3:15:55 AM

Cerebus Retcon is not a well-named trope, because many of them are not retcons in a significant sense (i.e. clearly altering past continuity).

Also, it's questionable if the events of "Growing Pains" are a Cerebus Retcon, not because of whether it's a retcon or not, but because it's not like most of the events Steven brings up were played as a joke to begin with, they just weren't held as significant long-term.

(The idea a bunch of random pratfalls contributed to the bone fractures is amusing, but not a connection the show itself is making.)

Snicka Since: Jun, 2011
#60442: Mar 15th 2020 at 4:31:38 AM

Steven having a Healing Factor was kind of a no-brainer. His body fluids have healing powers, after all, and there's no place where those fluids are in a higher concentration than his own body.

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#60443: Mar 15th 2020 at 11:19:45 AM

It's a shame SU never had Weird Al on the show. It's the only cartoon of any significance made in the 2010's not to feature him as a guest star, besides The Loud House.

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#60444: Mar 15th 2020 at 11:49:17 AM

I know right?

But you never know,he might show up in the final,you never know..

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#60446: Mar 15th 2020 at 12:06:07 PM

The show has been hinting that Steven has had PTSD since the mindfulness episode, like Steven was having flashbacks to eye ball and Bismuth and Jasper. I don't really feel like this is completely out of the left field.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#60447: Mar 15th 2020 at 12:28:53 PM

People keep mentioning PTSD, but the term directly used in the show was ACEs (Adverse Childhood Experiences).

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#60448: Mar 15th 2020 at 3:44:15 PM

Anyway, here's a short comic where Steven gets advice from a Sapphire with some sense

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#60449: Mar 15th 2020 at 4:30:23 PM

Damn, I was expecting a trip to the Sun Incinerator to see Padparascha would be involved... somehow.

(P.S. I just had it pointed out to me that "Sun Incinerator" is a synonym version of "Star Destroyer".)

SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#60450: Mar 15th 2020 at 5:18:18 PM

People keep mentioning PTSD, but the term directly used in the show was AC Es (Adverse Childhood Experiences).

"Your body is so used to high stress responses that it responds that way to all stress" is PTSD


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