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RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#60326: Mar 11th 2020 at 6:39:34 PM

Her herself mentioned this is a Word of Saint Paul thing. I do think it's open to interpretation here.

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#60327: Mar 11th 2020 at 7:26:46 PM

Her being ace is definitely intended; again, Fusion for Beginners and Experts implies it during Peridot's section.

Garnet: And if you don't want to Fuse... That's cool, too.

Her being aro, however, doesn't have base, and as Pushover pointed out, is even contradicted at points... it might be canon (wouldn't be the first time something was retconned), it might be Maya's interpretation of Peri (like how Zuke shipped Lapidot). We don't know for 100% sure, but with the way Maya phrases it I do think the former is more likely.


...I just realized Peridot has Ship Tease and Ho Yay sections that now need looking into, especially Zuke's intentional teases... That's gonna be a fun can of worms.

Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Mar 11th 2020 at 10:35:49 AM

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#60328: Mar 11th 2020 at 7:32:34 PM

So, we're never getting a Peridot/Lapis fusion, despite that fusion can represent other kinds of relationships aside from sexual? Kind of a shame, I know the fanbase has wanted that for a long time.

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#60329: Mar 11th 2020 at 8:06:11 PM

Yeah, I'd like to see more fusions that are noted strictly to be platonic, as in the original sense described by Plato. Equal, reciprocal, constructive, and highly intimate but neither familial nor romantic. "Philia" rather than "Storge". Mega Pearl is probably the closest yet but even that one had some romantic undertones.

Edited by AlleyOop on Mar 11th 2020 at 11:07:22 AM

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#60330: Mar 11th 2020 at 8:25:32 PM

Peridot never fusing does miss opportunities for many types of nonromantic fusions, but I'd argue the point is that she's missing this feeling/experience most people around her have and often consider extremely important.

So while her aromanticism/asexuality and disinterest in fusion aren't (strongly) related literally, the latter does serve the former thematically.

Sort of like what Greg went through in "We Need to Talk", but in some ways reversed.

it might be Maya's interpretation of Peri (like how Zuke shipped Lapidot)
Petersen actually describes it as "[not] something I knew before I worked on the show" and that she's speaking from "conversations I was in the room for and took part in". Basically, while not something the whole crew agreed on that Petersen is stating, this idea didn't begin or end with her.

For reference, Petersen has made a bunch of Amethyst/Peridot fanart.

@Crossover-Enthusiast: I'm not sure Peridot being ace but not aromantic is 100% consistent either. The way she reacted when she landed on Amethyst's lap seemed mildly sexual.

Edited by thatother1dude on Mar 11th 2020 at 10:31:57 AM

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#60331: Mar 11th 2020 at 8:53:34 PM

[up][up][up] Personally I've wanted a Garnet/Peridot fusion way more than Lapis/Peridot, if just because of that big tease in Log Date. Shame we're never gonna get either, though.

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Peridot never fusing does miss opportunities for many types of nonromantic fusions, but I'd argue the point is that she's missing this feeling/experience most people around her have and often consider extremely important.

Yeah, but I feel they could've at least had an episode where Peridot decides to try fusing, and manages to do it successfully, but after everything's said and done she just... isn't into it. She'd rather stay single, and that's completely fine. It would make the metaphor more clear than a single line in a book would, anyway.

[...]and that she's speaking from "conversations I was in the room for and took part in". Basically, while not something the whole crew agreed on that Petersen is stating, this idea didn't begin or end with her.

Oh wait, really? I didn't know that. I take back that part, then.

I'm not sure Peridot being ace but not aromantic is 100% consistent either. The way she reacted when she landed on Amethyst's lap seemed mildly sexual.

You're talking about that one scene from "Too Far", right?

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#60332: Mar 11th 2020 at 9:50:55 PM

I feel they could've at least had an episode where Peridot decides to try fusing, and manages to do it successfully, but after everything's said and done she just... isn't into it.
There's a fine line between "it would be interesting to see a fusion based on such ambivalence" and "that doesn't make any sense that she could fuse in the first place".

It would make the metaphor more clear than a single line in a book would, anyway.
Since Sugar herself wrote Fusion for Beginners and Experts, it's pretty much completely official that "Log Date 7 15 2" was the end of fusion as part of Peridot's character arc.

That does make some sense in hindsight—Peridot specifically says "I can't do it.", and there's no actual suggestion she would try again—but the viewers are still going to assume otherwise. Especially if you contrast it with something like Sadie's anxiety for performing in public.

You're talking about that one scene from "Too Far", right?
Yes, specifically how Peridot was so fixated looking at Amethyst she wasn't paying attention to the mutual lack of personal space.

Aside from that though, I don't recall many scenes where Peridot's interactions were necessarily sexual or even romantic, even in the Jesse Zuke-boarded episodes. Chemistry isn't quite the same as attraction.

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#60333: Mar 11th 2020 at 10:16:38 PM

The reason I think Peridot CAN fuse because frankly, it makes no sense that any Gem can't fuse. Why give Gems like Sapphires, Pearls, Diamonds, and Aquamarines the ability to fuse if fusion is a combat thing and those gems aren't supposed to fight? The only explanation is that fusion is an inherent ability of all Gems, like regeneration is.

At one point in time Steven couldn't fuse either, it wasn't that he was inherently incapable of it, but that he never got in the right mindset for it until later on.

Now the reason Peridot never did fuse was because she was just never interested in doing so, which differs from Steven who was always excited about the concept.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#60334: Mar 11th 2020 at 10:26:33 PM

The reason I think Peridot CAN fuse because frankly, it makes no sense that any Gem can't fuse.
None of us are suggesting she is physically incapable of fusing. The issue is whether her disinterest leaves her emotionally incapableโ€”which is admittedly splitting hairs between โ€œcanโ€™tโ€ and โ€œwonโ€™tโ€.

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#60335: Mar 11th 2020 at 10:30:14 PM

Oh. The highlighting of "can't" to me indicated "is physically incapable of it"

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#60336: Mar 11th 2020 at 10:34:12 PM

Yeah, same here.

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#60337: Mar 12th 2020 at 1:29:36 AM

I'd rather Garnet and Peridot not fuse, or if they did, they'd have to handle it very carefully. Because as someone who identifies as on the asexual spectrum, some of Garnet's statements were reminiscent of the kinds of pressure a lot of us receive in real life when we identify as such. Things like "You just haven't met the right person yet", "How do you know for sure that you're ace if you've never tried it?", or "You just think you're ace because you're repressed from being brainwashed by a culture that teaches you to believe sex is immoral".

Obviously it's not completely the same because Garnet completely respected her boundaries which is more than genuine acephobes will concede to. But Peridot's resistance to fusing was portrayed in a manner ambiguously like the stereotype of someone who grew up in a repressed fundie town, so for her to be variably ace-coded then fuse with Garnet in a manner that doesn't make it explicit it's not supposed to be the romantic/sexual analogue it's often used as, would make it seem like Garnet's assumption was correct about her and validate a common stereotype of ace people made by active allosexuals.

Edited by AlleyOop on Mar 12th 2020 at 4:39:56 AM

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#60338: Mar 12th 2020 at 10:58:04 AM

โ€œTogether Foreverโ€ promo.

Another Petersen/Guignard episode just two episodes after the last. They were presumably boarded out of chronological order, because episodes are usually divided between four storyboarding pairs.

We also titles for the last four episodes. They seem very significant.

Edited by thatother1dude on Mar 12th 2020 at 1:01:15 PM

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#60339: Mar 12th 2020 at 11:04:24 AM

"Together Forever"

Connverse focus episode followed by an episode of Steven going a doctor called "Growing Pains."

Oh fuck, I'm getting Season 6 Bojack Horseman flashbacks. This is genuinely suspenseful.

Edited by VengefulBale on Mar 12th 2020 at 12:20:09 PM

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#60340: Mar 12th 2020 at 11:19:42 AM

[up]Uh, it doesn't really help to hide spoilers from a completely different show if you don't indicate what show the spoiler is from.

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#60341: Mar 12th 2020 at 12:06:47 PM

Hoo boy, this pair of eps is gonna be a doozy. I'm excited (and scared)!

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#60344: Mar 12th 2020 at 12:15:56 PM

Kevin AND Ronaldo!

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#60346: Mar 12th 2020 at 12:41:12 PM

So did no one notice the second to last episode is called โ€œI Am My Monsterโ€œ?

Because in context, it seems like quite a Spoiler Title.

Edited by thatother1dude on Mar 12th 2020 at 2:41:44 PM

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#60347: Mar 12th 2020 at 12:44:03 PM

[up] I did. But who knows. Perhaps it's every bit as misleading as other titles have been.

Or maybe it's gonna subvert our expectations and the title is 100% unmisleading

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#60348: Mar 12th 2020 at 1:02:45 PM

Which fusions among Steven, Peal, Garnet, or Amethyst are the most powerful?

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#60349: Mar 12th 2020 at 1:10:04 PM

[up] Hmm. Probably Garnet's as she's already a fusion herself.

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#60350: Mar 12th 2020 at 1:22:55 PM

I am fearful for "Everything's Fine" but find it kinda funny in that Steven's self-denial has extended so far it's bled into the episode titles themselves.

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