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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#59476: Oct 4th 2019 at 7:25:10 PM

Isn't that Greg's Dondai Supremo?
I thought that was a different color, but yes it appears to be the same. I guess he recovered at some point (or replaced it with an identical one).

Could be Greg gave it to him, could be Steven just uses it while learning how to drive because Greg doesn't want him to wreck the van.
Steven is still a minor, so he's unlikely to legally own a car (I've had a car since I was 15, but didn't have one with my name on the title until I was 26). But the fact that he parked it next to Greg's van suggests Steven uses it the most.

Either way, it's amusing that the son of the richest guy in town is driving a car (possibly over a decade) older than he is. And that him driving a car is given this much weight to it when he's had a rideable, teleporting Lion since he was 12.

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#59477: Oct 4th 2019 at 7:51:50 PM

I'm very curious what the giant monster in the background of the "antagonists shot" is. It could be a Corrupted Gem, but that would either require a kaiju-sized Corrupted Gem to have evaded capture all this time, or for another Corruption wave to happen, and the first Corruption wave wasn't even meant to Corrupt Gems, it was just meant to kill them. The Corruption part was presumably an accident, maybe caused by the wave being incomplete, maybe caused by the wave's energy being reflected by Rose's shield.

The fact that it's the only thing moving in the shot implies that it is the most dangerous/important of the villains present, and when one of them looks just like White Diamond, that is a very concerning implication. I don't know about it being part of the species that created Gems, as others have theorized, partially because I've never been onboard with the whole "Gems are artificially created" theory to begin with, I prefer the idea that this species of holographic rock-women just naturally evolved like this, just because that's so much weirder and more interesting, and partially because it doesn't really give off a vibe of extreme intelligence, though it's hard to really grasp what vibe I am getting off of it.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Oct 4th 2019 at 7:52:15 AM

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#59478: Oct 4th 2019 at 8:05:24 PM

Remember when I said the only way the Diamonds would get comeuppance for their actions (beyond Steven forcing them to change) would be a species from a planet they colonized coming back with a way to harm them?

Maybe that's what that... thing is?

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#59479: Oct 4th 2019 at 8:10:34 PM

I don't know about it being part of the species that created Gems.
It's a fallacy that nonhumanoid/beastial aliens can't be technologically advanced, but even if that's an intelligent non-gem alien, it's a pretty random assumption that they're somehow connected to gems while looking less like them than humans.

It being an alien is more interesting story-wise, but I also kind of like the idea that it's a gem that isn't corrupted (anymore) who just decided she likes being a Tarrasque. Amethyst couldn't make herself permanently much bigger, but corrupted gems taking massively larger forms suggest it is possible.

partially because I've never been onboard with the whole "Gems are artificially created" theory to begin with
Theory? White Diamond may be (from) a naturally evolved species, but it's all but stated that every other gem we know of was created (directly or indirectly) by her.

Edited by thatother1dude on Oct 4th 2019 at 10:21:57 AM

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#59480: Oct 4th 2019 at 8:23:38 PM

That doesn't mean they're artificial. From what we've seen, the Diamond's bodily fluids are important, and the fanon conclusion is that they're the liquid in Injectors to create Gems in Kindergartens. Aside from the Injectors, which are just mechanically doing work that could have been done manually in the past, that sounds like a perfectly natural description of Gem reproduction and life cycle.

Based on what we can extrapolate, Gems seem to function like ants or other colony insects. The workers are all born from the main queen (or multiple queens, as is the case in some colony insect species), and they're born into a strict caste system with hard-set roles in society. The main difference is because Gems aren't organic, they grow from minerals in the ground and their roles in society are determined by what type of crystal they emerge as.

Also, they're sapient and shouldn't have to deal with a caste system, but that's already been addressed in-story.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Oct 4th 2019 at 8:27:03 AM

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#59481: Oct 4th 2019 at 9:58:57 PM

From what we've seen, the Diamond's bodily fluids are important, and the fanon conclusion is that they're the liquid in Injectors to create Gems in Kindergartens.
Sugar confirmed in an AMA it's a vital part of what's in Injectors (though apparently not all that's in there).

That doesn't mean they're artificial.
With the possible exception of the Pebbles, yes it does. Comparing them (or Rose and Steven's plants) to other gems suggest using Injectors is equivalent to extreme genetic modification at least.

Edited by thatother1dude on Oct 4th 2019 at 11:59:28 AM

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#59482: Oct 4th 2019 at 10:38:52 PM

Than you and I have different definitions of "artificial". I don't think, say, a test-tube baby is an "artificial" person, just because there's a bit of genetic modification or machinery involved doesn't make them "artificial", same as why GMO fruit aren't "artificial". In my mind, an "artificial" person is like a robot made of metal and programmed with computer code. Or like a chimera made with a bunch of different species of animals. A whole new species of life created by another species of life.

From what we've seen of Gems, I don't think they were artificially created. I think Gems are a species of silicon-based life forms with Hard Light bodies that naturally evolved in some sort of bizarre alien fashion. At some point, they got really into eugenics (eugemics?) and decided to control their society by fashioning their "gemetic" code to create Gems designed from birth to do one job and fill one role in society. That solidified the caste system we know today, which may have existed in the past, but was much less controllable and predictable.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Oct 4th 2019 at 10:44:40 AM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#59483: Oct 4th 2019 at 10:44:48 PM

I don't know if that example is really equivalent to gems, though. Humans (and all other life on Earth) have natural, in-born ways of reproducing that gems seem to lack. That they (either just White or the Diamonds as a whole) figured out a way to create a bunch more of them doesn't really change that fact, and it makes them pretty incomparable to "natural" life as I think it would be described.

Edited by LSBK on Oct 4th 2019 at 12:58:51 PM

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#59484: Oct 4th 2019 at 10:57:48 PM

How do you know "the workers create a hole in mineral and life-rich ground. The Diamond then excretes Gem-making fluids into the hole, which are then covered with dirt. 500 years later, a bouncing baby Gem is born" isn't the natural reproductive process for Gems?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#59485: Oct 4th 2019 at 10:59:27 PM

Okay, would using the word "biological" get the point being made across better?

Edited by LSBK on Oct 4th 2019 at 1:00:54 PM

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#59486: Oct 4th 2019 at 11:07:23 PM

Literally the whole reason I love the idea of Gems being naturally evolved life-forms is because they're not biological carbon-based life as we know it. The idea of a species of silicon-based Hard Light rock-people having naturally evolved in their own ecosystem before they became sapient expansionist tyrants is the coolest type of xenofiction to me. It would be so much more plain and boring if another carbon-based biological species turned out to have created the Gems all along.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#59487: Oct 5th 2019 at 12:09:43 AM

There's still the fact they show some distinctly artificial traits, such as their ability to interface with technology and the circuit board pattern that appears on their bodies when destabilized, silicon or not I see no logical for that to evolve naturally. One aspect of xenofiction is that it makes sense on some level, which that doesn't. You could say that gems were originally an organic or silicon based race that augmented themselves to the point that they were a completely technological race and had forgotten their origins but that would still make them artificial.

Edited by Kaiseror on Oct 5th 2019 at 7:56:32 AM

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#59488: Oct 5th 2019 at 3:08:36 AM

Anyway, here's a fanart interpretation of what that monster in the intro looks like.

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Snicka Since: Jun, 2011
#59489: Oct 5th 2019 at 5:49:13 AM

A small detail, but has anyone noticed that in the wide shot with the gems, there's a particularly large uncorrupted Quartz-like gem who appears to have two gemstones, one over her nose and one over her eye? It's likely she's a new perma-fusion between two regular Quartzes.

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#59490: Oct 5th 2019 at 5:50:08 AM

Technically the Diamonds are carbon based life.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#59491: Oct 5th 2019 at 12:02:15 PM

@Snicka: That gems was actually visible back when the gems were uncorrupted (and was an extra in few places in the movie), though I never noticed she is probably a fusion before.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#59492: Oct 5th 2019 at 12:30:32 PM

This opening is making me hope that some of the uncorrupted gems are given voices and character moments, particularly the quartzes and the former worm monster (mostly because I find their designs adorable).

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#59493: Oct 5th 2019 at 12:30:39 PM

I noticed her too, but when "Change Your Mind" first aired I couldn't figure out if that was supposed to be a horn or a gem. Guess we know the answer now!

[up] I'm just hoping they finally officially confirm which ones Biggs and Crazy Lace are.

Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Oct 5th 2019 at 3:32:07 PM

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Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#59494: Oct 5th 2019 at 12:36:39 PM

[up] Biggs is the orange Quartz, also does anyone else think the uncorrupted Quartzes look like giant Sapphires?

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#59495: Oct 5th 2019 at 12:40:42 PM

[up] Well yeah of course she is, but I'd like to hear it confirmed.

The Quartz and Sapphire face shapes are similar, so it's no surprise they'd look alike if you give them bangs and take away the noses.

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Snicka Since: Jun, 2011
#59496: Oct 5th 2019 at 3:01:35 PM

[up][up][up]You have a point, her nose "gem" may actually not be a gemstone but a horn. We'll see in the show.

Also, Biggs is almost certainly the orange-brown one with three horns, that Bismuth hugs when she regenerates in "Change Your Mind".

Edited by Snicka on Oct 5th 2019 at 12:07:25 PM

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#59497: Oct 5th 2019 at 4:02:52 PM

Biggs is almost certainly the orange-brown one with three horns, that Bismuth hugs when she regenerates in "Change Your Mind".
Joe Johnston specifically said she was.

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#59498: Oct 5th 2019 at 4:08:30 PM

Ohh yeah I forgot about that! Now we just need Crazy Lace.

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#59499: Oct 5th 2019 at 4:32:05 PM

Here's a couple fanarts of the Aquamarine fusion.

A popular suggestion of weapon seems to be a cane-sword/dagger, as a combination of Eyeball's chisel and Aquamarine's wand.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Oct 5th 2019 at 4:33:42 AM

deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#59500: Oct 5th 2019 at 4:49:14 PM

Wait a minute, couldn’t it also be a fusion between Aquamarine and Navy? Or did something happen to Navy that I’m forgetting.

I feel like it would be a lot more apparent if it was Eyeball considering the whole...having a gem for an eye thing.


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