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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#59326: Sep 19th 2019 at 8:24:39 PM

I don't actually mind them being in power that much, since them being present would likely make the transition to a better society a lot easier. Removing them would probably make the gem empire very chaotic because of the power vacuum and create an even bigger mess for Steven and everyone else to clean up.

It's more borne of pragmatism than anything else.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#59327: Sep 19th 2019 at 8:26:08 PM

It means they're like the president.

They only get to do anything when it doesn't matter.

[up][up]More stuff would need to happen first, it's not really clear what they actually do now.

I mean, it wasn't totally clear before either.

Edited by randomness4 on Sep 19th 2019 at 8:26:17 AM

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Pachylad (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#59328: Sep 19th 2019 at 8:33:33 PM

Even though I liked the movie more than him, Uncivilized Elk did point out how Steven and White Diamond's roles somehow got interchanged within the 2 years, that they're now seeing him as the de facto leader or even moral compass. (not-so-subtly seen with pink being on top of the emblem)

It's ... kinda weird, and has the potential to screw things up even more than the "space-dictators-turning-into-annoying aunts" angle, but I still hold enough faith in the Crewniverse for them to write it well enough.

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#59329: Sep 19th 2019 at 8:33:40 PM

[up][up][up]The fact that there isn't chaos right now, after countless gems now find out that their entire beliefs and philosophy is a lie (especially after most of them suffered because of it), born out of insecurities of a single person, isn't believable already, but whatever. It's less pragmatism and more "optimism and happy ending" of Rebecca Sugar, which she wanted to use in the series. Which is perfectly fine, just as long as people would stop calling it realistic.

Edited by VeryVileVillian on Sep 19th 2019 at 6:43:07 PM

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#59330: Sep 19th 2019 at 8:37:50 PM

Yeah I can't really say one way or another unless they show exactly how gem government works now.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#59331: Sep 19th 2019 at 8:37:56 PM

Who calls this outcome realistic?

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#59332: Sep 19th 2019 at 9:51:02 PM

[up][up][up][up] Blue and Yellow also got switched up as well, if the storybook authority symbol is any indication... Which to be honest, I find more intriguing than Steven and White swapping roles.

Speaking of White, there's a section earlier in the storybook that shows her in a different outfit. I dunno if it's implying she had a different outfit before Pink got "shattered", that's she's going to get a new outfit in the future and whoever did this part mixed up the designs, or if this is just a general art goof, but I find it neat.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#59333: Sep 19th 2019 at 9:58:42 PM

They just rotated it.

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Snicka Since: Jun, 2011
#59335: Sep 19th 2019 at 10:14:56 PM

[up][up][up]I think they meant that a lot of people are complaining that the outcome is not realistic and how that ruined the show, ignoring the fact it wasn't meant to be realistic in the first place.

superboy313 Since: May, 2015
#59336: Sep 20th 2019 at 4:05:30 AM

I have one question: Where the HELL did Spinel get the injector from?

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
galienus Since: Sep, 2019
#59338: Sep 20th 2019 at 4:15:17 AM

[up][up][up]The outcome could never be realistic. This time you really have to remember its for kids.

The problem is its done in a very implausible and unconvincing way.

I never thought that it was impossible to solve things peacefully. I just thought it would take more time and effort than they ultimately had to spend on it.

[up][up] Nobody knows. There are a lot of theories floating around. Like it being left at the garden as well or someone unsatisfied with the changes of gem society gave it to her.

Someone went even so far to claim that it was not explained because it is not important for the story and should be left to our imagination.

Edited by galienus on Sep 20th 2019 at 4:16:48 AM

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#59339: Sep 20th 2019 at 4:17:02 AM

> I have one question: Where the HELL did Spinel get the injector from?

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#59340: Sep 20th 2019 at 4:32:00 AM

It's so unimportant to the story...Steven nearly forgot about it.

Edited by randomness4 on Sep 20th 2019 at 4:37:10 AM

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jouXIII The One Who Knows Many Things from Between the Multiverses (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The One Who Knows Many Things
#59341: Sep 20th 2019 at 5:12:28 AM

Well, considering that there's going to be Steven Universe-panel in this year's New York Comic Con, I would be very surprised if no one is going to ask that there.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#59342: Sep 20th 2019 at 5:17:42 AM

There is a possibility Spinel made the injector herself,but then that would require the knowledge of how she learned to make one in the first place..

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SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#59343: Sep 20th 2019 at 5:19:53 AM

The fact that bio-ppison injectors exist suggests that there's some factory that produces them. Spinel warped there and snagged one, maybe fought some guards with her cartoon physics powers. Not really inportant.

The real question is how she did it so fast. She clearly had to poof herself to reform as an Emo Jester at some point.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#59344: Sep 20th 2019 at 5:30:36 AM

[up][up]That's literally not possible.

The whole movie takes place less than 24 hours.

And as shown, she did not move until Steven's Universal message.

Edited by randomness4 on Sep 20th 2019 at 5:45:42 AM

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#59345: Sep 20th 2019 at 5:36:03 AM

She was able to transform into that shape when she got her memories back, so presumably she was just figuratively poofed and the trauma did the rest of the work.

Assuming Connie had to leave for space camp early in the day (as would be expected for the first day of camp), there was maybe 4-5 hours in-between Steven making the video and Spinel's arrival. That's plenty of time for Spinel to see the transmission, transform from the trauma (which only took a few seconds the second time), warp somewhere there's a Gem Rejuvenator, warp somewhere there's a decommissioned bio-poison injector, and fly the bio-poison injector straight to Earth at FTL speed.

galienus Since: Sep, 2019
#59346: Sep 20th 2019 at 9:27:59 AM

[up]Okay after already spending some time discussing with someone else i think i have to say something about this subject.

The problem with this setup is not that its impossible to happen but implausible and as a result very contrived. Something that is far worse for a fictional story.

Spinel at the start was out of the loop for over five millenia.First she had to recover from the shock and make the decision to assault them complete with appearance change.After that even with warppads she still has to find and get the revujenator, which existence is not common knowledge since noone of the CG but Bismuth, who is the weapons expert,knew about it, a special injector who is pink filled with biopoison and only can be controlled by spinel ready to be used.And then at the end she has to fly with everything to earth through space. That sounds like a lot to do for someone who just stopped standing still for a very long time in a quarter of a day nontheless.

I think a strong sign that something is missing here for a complete picture is that after the movie aired almost immediately people asked "How did she pull everything off so fast?" and the answers to that were to either assume outside help or her equipment was already at the garden . Only now people start to dismiss it with "there is nothing wrong, it all works out" and "that are only unimportent background details noone has to know." If that is the case why did it became such a subject in the first place?

Also on a side note i think the adjustment of appearance after recovering from a factory reset is a special case and not the norm.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#59347: Sep 20th 2019 at 10:07:43 AM

I'd say we dont know near enough to say. The simplest answer was simply that she knew where what she wanted was and she just brought it to Earth with no real fuss.

On her appearance: I'd say we still dont know enough. How does sudden, extreme trauma affect a gem? Can a gem change their default state without getting poofed? Does a gem have to be hurt to be poofed or can they just turn off their physical form?

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#59348: Sep 20th 2019 at 10:33:29 AM

I think the easiest way to solve this would have been to imply that a day or two had passed since Steven made the transmission. That would have made Spinel getting her plan ready more plausible.

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#59349: Sep 20th 2019 at 10:34:36 AM

I'm pretty sure a gem can retreat into the gemstone at any time it pleases, and reform if wanted.

galienus Since: Sep, 2019
#59350: Sep 20th 2019 at 12:54:20 PM

[up]That never happened in the show. Everything that has points more in the opposite direction but doesnt outright confirmes it one way or the other.

Edited by galienus on Sep 20th 2019 at 12:54:49 PM


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